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Your references in the Tamil New Year page.

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Please see the Puthandu talk page. A few editors had supported your inclusion of added references.

Vira vanakkam, Tamizhanpu Pararaja (talk) 18:51, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Pararaja, the newspaper sources offend wikipedia rules and should be removed. The statement is already backed with academic sources. You and others should respect the rules and stop readding it. thanks. Vatasura 05:38, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

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Please do not advice me to respect the rules! I broke no rules. The rules do not prohibit media sources. It only mentions that they are not preferred. I undid when other editors unilaterally removed your references and alerted you to give you time to respond, which you did. Pararaja (talk) 23:48, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Pararaja, The statement "The Pallavas and Cholas under Rajendra Chola's reign 1012 CE – 1044 CE culturally influenced certain regions in South and Southeast Asia" is a statement with weight and should be supported with academic sources, otherwise it will not accepted by all. Yes its not forbidden to add media sources, but for this situation is a academic sources be needed. When IP deleted my source, I have accepted it and searched for academic sources and found. For me the sources were not important but the statement. There are also bias medias who claims Tamils are not native to Sri Lanka. If someone add Tamils are not native to Sri Lanka in Wikipedia and add these media sources, will you accept it, because the rules do not prohibit media sources? I hope you understand, what I mean. Vatasura 07:23, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

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You and I agree that media sources are not prohibited. They are just not preferred. But as another editor mentioned, you included both media and academic sources. That was the difference here. As to claims that Tamils are not native to Sri Lanka, neither are Sinhala. Tamizhanpu Pararaja (talk) 11:00, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

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Vatasura, I replied to your query in the Puthandu talk page. Dipendra2007 (talk) 17:13, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Dipendra2007, thanks for your help to bring light into Tamil history. I have no access to all the books. Can you please reproduce few sentences from the books, who claim that Tamil New year (13/14 april) was adopted by some cultures in South Asia and Southeast Asia. If we have enough infos we can expand the article Puthandu. If you are interested, I would like to invite you to participate in Wikipedia:WikiProject Tamil civilization. The project is currently inactive and needs active members. Vatasura 01:56, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

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Puthandu page

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Please keep an eye on the Puthandu page. A Sinhalese editor has been removing material arbitrarily. I have reinserted much of the material removed. Dipendra2007 (talk) 23:25, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Dipendra2007, the page puthandu has changed a lot since my last visit, what happened? Why was the Chola influence removed and Tamil origin of the festival replaced by Hindu origin? This is really annoying, we make a discussion to keep it and then it is simply removed by someone. I am busy now, if i find time then I will take a close look on it. You can post it on open tasks of WikiProject Tamil civilization to inform other tamil interested Wikipedians. Thanks for your efforts and Keep it up;) Vatasura 05:16, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

A new editor called Sarah Welch has made arbitrary references where she/he claims that Tolkapiyam, Silappadikaram, Purananuru, Nedunalvadai are not acceted citations. Please help me in keeping an eye on that page. She/he quotes Raj Pechilis who no one has even heard of. Frankly she/he does not know the Tamil classics. She also tries to narrow the Tamil new year to Tamil Hindu new year. She/he is giving a PoV there. I need your help. Nanri. Dipendra2007 (talk) 20:58, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

There are even people, who claim Tamils are not a nation, so it doesn't surprise me, to hear that someone claims that Tolkapiyam and so are not accepted citation. Tamil history is consciously hidden by these people to fit their agenda. Ok I'll look what I can do.Vatasura 01:57, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

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Instead of edit warring, removing sources and page numbers in the cite, or removing the sourced content, please answer the question waiting on the talk page. Your cooperation is requested, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 05:18, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

You were equally involved, but thanks for the warning. It would be all easier if you have discussed than participate in aggressive edit.Vatasura 08:06, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

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Is the American South a stateless nation?

Yes, the USA is majority white, but the people of the American South are arguably a distinct group, speaking the Southern American English dialect, and with major cultural differences to the rest of the country (tending to be the most conservative and religious, as well as often being seen to be the least tolerant) , and there is to this day a small but active neo-confederate movement. I was not suggesting white people as a stateless nation, but the people of the Southern USA. For these reason, I feel that my entry meets the guidelines of what constitutes a stateless nation.

I realise that they belong to the race group that currently makes up the majority of the United States population, but the same is true of Andalusian people that speak the Andalusian Spanish dialect (as opposed to having their own language), and are racially very similar to the people of the rest of Spain.

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• Southerners are not a "stateless nation". You may feel what you like, but the whole thing is too ridiculous to take seriously. Drmies (talk) 12:32, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi SMcM, Thank you for expanding the list with many new nations. I agree with Drmies, that the Southerners not meet the criteria for a stateless nation. Southerners/Northerners is based mostly on ideological difference, like South Koreans and North Koreans. A regional difference can exist among same ethnic group/nation, which leads to development of different local dialects and customs, but that make them not a different ethnic group. Andalusians are recognized as a regional ethnic group of spain. USA is not defined one ethnic, but on race like White Americans, Black Americans, Latino Americans, Native Americans. Seen in this way, the White Americans form the majority of the nation. Vatasura 01:12, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

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You have resumed edit warring on Stateless nations and you provided incorrect reason for your revert,[1] as there was no consensus to add your information per: Talk:Stateless nation#Tamil-related sentences. Capitals00 (talk) 09:59, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Capitals00, there was no consensus to remove Tamil-related sentences added by my and Ms Sarah Welch per: Talk:Stateless nation#Tamil-related sentences. I followed the motto "live, let live" and made a peaceful suggestion on 13 April 2017 for the dispute and it was not rejected by Ms Sarah Welch. Talk:Stateless nation#Tamil-related sentences is about removing a part of Tamil-related sentences and not about purging all Tamil related content in stateless nation. Can I ask you, why you removed the Tamils from the list and sentence about political relationship of the stateless nation? It is irritating, if a user remove a edit without reason then come another user and mentions the reason. Vatasura 04:43, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

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