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Happy New Year!

Happy New Year!
Thank you for all your high-quality, painstaking and thorough articles on Wikipedia!

Kautilya3 (talk) 23:25, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, K3. Have a great year! Your contributions to our articles on frontiers and border-disputes are always the standard :) TrangaBellam (talk) 15:39, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Your thoughts?

Happy New Year.

Have a question about self published source below: Hiro G. Badlani (2008), Hinduism: a path of ancient wisdom, ISBN 978-0595436361, pp. 315–318

This source is published by self service publisher iUniverse which is used on article Seva (Indian religions) but the editor who added it stated that "WP:USESPS clearly states that 'self-publication is not, and should not be, a bit of jargon used by Wikipedians to automatically dismiss a source as "bad" or "unreliable" or "unusable" '."

What are your thoughts on it? Also Hiro is an ophthalmologist and wrote the book during his retirement. But just the fact that its a self published book, can it be reliable considering WP:USESPS? Because it can open pandora box for editors to start using self published sources based on WP:USESPS. MehmoodS (talk) 21:38, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

pinging RegentsPark as well. MehmoodS (talk) 21:55, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

I have nothing to add to Tayi Arajakate's reply. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:40, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year, TrangaBellam!

Happy New Year!

TrangaBellam,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
Abishe (talk) 17:03, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, and same to you! TrangaBellam (talk) 15:42, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

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Happy New Year, TrangaBellam!

Happy New Year!

TrangaBellam,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
— DaxServer (talk) 14:37, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Same to you! Nice to see you around. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:43, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	Thank you for your talk page cleanup here. Not necessarily wp:vandalism, but a quality cleanup of trolling is always appreciated. Thanks! Bgv. (talk) 08:22, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Routine affairs in articles on Indian Politics - attracts the worst. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:44, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Text you requested.

I was able to get hold on partial text you requested at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Resource_Exchange/Resource_Request#JPRS -

Here it is -

...family had a list of temples that had been torn down in Kashmir. I said that it was a serious matter if it was true and wanted full information. A few months later this leader gave that list to me through his sources I started an investigation with the help of some dependable people in Kashmir. They sent me a report after checking and visiting those temples. The claim made by the BJP appeared to be wrong. " Mr. Varghese wrote an article in the INDIAN EXPRESS titled " Temples in Kashmir " on 8 May 1991. This article explained how some BJP leaders had told Mr. Varghese about the destruction of 100 temples in Kashmir valley and Chheh Dora. The Sanatan Dharma Sabha in Jammu also mentioned six temples , one of which was in Fatahaka Dal in Srinagar . Another temple mentioned was the Ganesh Mandir in Srinagar . Mr. Varghese and members of the Indian Press Council went there and visited with the temple priests . “ I had a list of 62 temples that the RSS had said had been totally destroyed since 1990. There were names of 1,644 villages whose names were changed by the Jammu Kashmir government in 1981-82 . They also had alleged that Anantnag was was chanaed to Islamabad. However, investigations revealed that these places of worship were never harmed at all. There were inns attached to Jawahar Nagar , Karan Nagar , Ganpatyar , Dashnami Akhara , Parushyar Bhairav , Sheetal Nath , and Ksheer Bhawani temples . Security forces were living in those inns with the permission of the temple authorities . Except for isolated incidents of shootings , no one had ever harmed these temples. There were communal riots in Anantnag in 1946 , and some temples were attacked at that time , and nothing else happened until the end of 1991.....

.....He has the government gazette which shows name changes such as Pohar to Nandpur , Daitunag Narayan to Nagpur , Aari Chhohal to Lalpur , Karandigaon to Chandigram , Kota Narang to Lal Marg , Kaliva to Nitampurm , Domhaq to Haripur and most important of all , Babarpur to Joharpur. Mr. Varghese said that no violent incidents took place when the government announcement was made on 24 October 1981 about these changes . Does this not prove that the people accepted these name changes? We can understand the selfish reasons for the false propaganda by the BJP , RSS , and the VHP . What surprises Mr. Varghese is the attitude of the Indian government. “ I asked Home Minister Shankar Rao Chavan to tell this truth to the nation . I asked the minister for information and broadcasting to show the real situation and pictures on the television to stop this false propaganda. However, no one listened to me." Instead they are chanting incessantly about giving credibility to the Doordarshan. This is Mr. Varghese's theory Mr. Varghese is not angry without reason. He says, "Those who spread false ínformation are dishonest. The government that refuses to reveal the truth is cowardly, incompetent , and irresolute . " V.G. Varghese is unhappy because he is an eyewitness to truth and has to hear lies all the time . The disclosures about Kashmir temples are false but very aggressive. . Mr. Varghese wants to ask the government , “ A destroyed mosque is made of limestone and rocks and can be rebuilt . A destroyed mosque is made of limestone and rocks and can be rebuilt . Who will repair the cracks that are emerging in the walls of trust in our nation?

Akshaypatill (talk) 18:30, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

@Akshaypatill WOW - thanks! How did you get this? Very impressive. TrangaBellam (talk) 07:24, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

hello

wanted to talk with you regarding your so called warning to me

Raashtrapati (talk) 10:03, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

@Raashtrapati Wikipedia is a serious project and I do not appreciate your trolling. I had asked you to quote [] relevant lines from all the sources over your thread at Talk:Muhammad of Ghor unless you are desiring for sanctions. TrangaBellam (talk) 11:28, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Individual solicitations

Hi TrangaBellam! A friendly reminder: it is usually not considered proper to solicitate individual participation to an RfC, Merge proposal etc... as in [1][2][3], as it can distort the process of consensus building (sometimes called WP:CANVASSING). It is much better to post solicitations on general pages, as you did very well here, and as suggested in WP:RfC. Best पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 14:04, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

@पाटलिपुत्र, all of them have commented at the talk-page within the past year. The guidelines provide an exemption in these cases. TrangaBellam (talk) 14:10, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Great. Thank you! पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 14:20, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Happy new era

Your friend Bishzilla and all her socks wish you a happy and healthy new Jurassic era! Bishonen | tålk 08:32, 31 December 2021 (UTC).

Wow. I missed this - a much belated New Year Era to Zilla and family! And, I LOVE the card. TrangaBellam (talk) 20:43, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Bengali Kayastha

Hellow sir,you did a very good job to write the baidya article.I am requesting you to do the same with the bengali kayatsha article,which is a complete mess. Miller110 (talk) 19:46, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Uninterested and I cannot even recall how I ended up at Baidya. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:55, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

this is not cherry picking! the statement was well sourced.I am not mentioning the caste varna.I am just mentioning from which varna the bengali Baidya was formed also that from a WP:RS source.now I can understand your internation.thanks Miller110 (talk) 20:07, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Baidya spends many sections in discussing the origins of Baidya. If the equations were so simplistic, I won't have drafted lines after lines. TrangaBellam (talk) 20:21, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

census report is more authentic than so-called purans.and don't do any personal attacks on me.stop reverting my edits Miller110 (talk) 20:27, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

I did not cite the Purans but historians who have analyzed them: consult this guide on appropriate sources in these areas. If you feel that I had attacked you, please approach a suitable venue. TrangaBellam (talk) 20:30, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

did u check the kayatsha surname articles??? like ghose,bose,guha mitra??? the component elements (varnas) of those castes are cleary mentioned there Miller110 (talk) 20:29, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

As I had already said to you, I remain uninterested. TrangaBellam (talk) 20:30, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

the statement of sengupta article is well-sourced.and it is a census report of government of India where it is clearly mentioned the baidyas was formed by brahmins so what is your problem.please don't create any mess, I know you are so good in your work.please try to understand I am doing my edits based on how ekdalian did his kayastha caste and surname edits.Miller110 (talk) 20:35, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Have you heard of sealioning? TrangaBellam (talk) 20:47, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Ballal Sena is from vaidya lineage, why do you revert that???the statement is well sourced Miller110 (talk) 20:38, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Please raise your concerns over this thread. TrangaBellam (talk) 20:46, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification regarding sena dynasty origin and caste. but the edits made by me on Sengupta page are clearly well-sourced and satisfy every Wikipedia standards.Miller110 (talk) 20:53, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Brill reference works

Salam, I hope you are fine. I would like to know if you have access to the Brill reference works please? --Mhhossein ^talk 17:24, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. SalamAlayka (talk) 22:06, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

J. K. Rowling discretionary sanctions alert on gender-related topics

This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.

You have shown interest in gender-related disputes or controversies or in people associated with them. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:33, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 14:57, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

4RR

Hi TrangaBellam. Just to let you know, you have broken the 3RR rule on article Nezak Huns (you mass-reverted me 4 times in less than 24 hours, and in typical edit-warring fashion, despite Talk-Page discussions). I value your contributions, and I wish we could continue editing collaboratively: please just stop rudely reverting and blanking so many of my contributions, it is quite incivil and unproductive. I do not intend to proceed with a claim for this violation and have you blocked, but on one condition: please self-revert your last revert [4], which effectively blanked this contribution of mine [5], effectively your 4th revert in a period of 24 hours. And please think a bit about how to edit in a more collaborative manner. Best पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 12:58, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

For that, you need to convince me that undoing this effective edit ("repositioning of line break" + "adding definite article: the" + "adding misinformation on Nezak Trakhans" + "citing a 960 page book with no page number or even, chapter" + "ref-spamming 2 redundant sources" + "replacing sfn with bare refs") will better our encyclopedia.

Just FYI, I had asked for a page number at the t/p (which you are yet to provide) and explained why your paragraph on Nezak Trakhans was poor and went contrary to recent scholars. I don't think that there is a need to explain why having bare refs is not a good idea. Please proceed with adding the in sub-headers and/or repositioning of line breaks; I won't object any. All that being said, we are left with? TrangaBellam (talk) 14:10, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

That's not the point TrangaBellam, and you know it: whatever your issues, you should not repeatedly mass-revert your fellow contributors. Instead try to improve upon their edits and solve specific issues. Having issues about a specific ref or whatever is no reason to mass-revert the contributions of others. You just cannot go around rudely reverting people like this, that's a bright-line rule on Wikipedia. I am trying to be nice to you, so please help me and please self-revert your last revert. पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 14:21, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

I noticed the pings, but I'm afraid that at the moment I don't have the mental space/room ("ruimte") to be of any help. Sorry. But please work this out together; sanctions are useless here. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 14:35, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Possibly, but TB keeps mass-reverting other users and doesn't want to understand. That's not acceptable behaviour on Wikipedia. पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 14:39, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Other users - Whom have I mass-reverted other than you? TrangaBellam (talk) 15:11, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

arbcom

Re "almost nothing in Apaugasma's evidence section stands barest of scrutiny", Apaugasma has retracted their their entire evidence submision,[6] and thus there doesn't seem to be a need for a rebuttal. --Guy Macon Alternate Account (talk) 13:54, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks - I am retracting my rebuttal. TrangaBellam (talk) 13:59, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Arb

Hey TrangaBellam. It might help readers if you note at the top of your evidence in the arb case that you are responding to evidence provided by Apaugasma. Firefangledfeathers 06:46, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Sure, please feel free to change the header to what is the norm. Not very acquainted with the specifics of Arbitration process. TrangaBellam (talk) 06:47, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Me neither! I added a subheading. Please revert me or tweak if this doesn't match your intent. Firefangledfeathers 06:50, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi TrangaBellam! What you posted is not evidence, but analysis of evidence. This is normally posted on the workshop page (here), where others can comment on the analysis too (or get into huge fights about it, as the case may be ).

If I may briefly comment on that analysis here, I would say that high-quality sources do most certainly not ridicule their subject, and that it is core policy that we should not do so either. I agree that it would be undue for us to mention "cannot be proven nor disproven" without context, but the point is merely that what the source says is directly contradicted by the editor, without discussion of context. The context, btw, is that Ernst frames these things as unverifiable (not the same as unfalsifiable!), not as nonexistent (remember that editors wanted the article to make the positivist claim "Neither qi nor meridians exist." [7] [8], which finds no support in Ernst or any other academic source, and which like Ernst himself points out would be much like "Neither God nor angels exist."). I somewhat agree with the parts about editorial discretion and thought-policing, but you should keep in mind that not everything I post is with sanctions in mind, which also means that it doesn't necessarily need to be sanctionable behavior to be indicative of a problem. About uncivil comments not being directed at anybody: yes, that's why they're merely uncivil and not personal attacks, but dancing on the line of PA by only indirectly implying things is also an unwanted behavior that should not be repeated too often. About the editors chased away, perhaps I should have said "competent editors chased away". Implying that anyone chased away by the prevailing attitude in the area is incompetent (and lacking reasoning skills/lunatic/etc.) is precisely part of the problem, if not its very core. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 14:06, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Actually, there is nothing wrong with TrangaBellam posting that on the Evidence page rather than the Workshop page. It is presented as a rebuttal to your evidence, and that's permissible per the instructions at the top of the Evidence page. You'll see that the Evidence page has sections in other editors' evidence that they label as responses to me. Admittedly, it's very fuzzy as to what can go where. A Clerk will notify anyone who really puts something in the wrong place. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:14, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

My impression is it's more likely to be read, by more arbs, if it's in the evidence section. The workshop tends to be treated as the poor cousin. Bishonen | tålk 22:20, 22 January 2022 (UTC).

That's a very good point, Bishonen. Procedurally I don't think diff-free commentary is supposed to be on the evidence page, but if TrangaBellam isn't planning to participate any further it's probably wiser for them to IAR and put their statement in a place where it's actually going to be read. I for my part am kind of using talk pages rather than the workshop in an effort to reduce the load there. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 22:40, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

• Hi again TrangBellam! Following a discussion with Tryptofish at their talk page, I have retracted my evidence. You might want to retract your response to me too, to avoid confusion. Thanks! ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 00:39, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

  @Apaugasma I missed your message. Pursuant to Guy Macon Alternate Account's reminder, I have retracted my response. TrangaBellam (talk) 14:52, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

  Thanks to you both! ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 14:54, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

  Thanks from me to all of you! --Tryptofish (talk) 18:23, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Odantapuri

I've started to fix the sfn cites as there was nothing in the article actually giving the details. I don't have time to do more, my time has been seriously wasted by [9]. He needs some attention. Doug Weller talk 10:14, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Also, is it you who commented somewhere on Keita?[10] Doug Weller talk 11:09, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Odantapuri is on my watchlist (and to-do list of expansions) - will take a look at the article as well as the editor. I had never commented on Keita. TrangaBellam (talk) 12:16, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Must figure out who did then. Doug Weller talk 12:42, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

ANI-notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Estnot (talk) 00:31, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Meh. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:09, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Can you please take a look?

TrangaBellam Can you please take a look at article Rama in Sikhism, especially the section "Importance" with sub-section "Ram Mandir"? Currently edit war is occurring on that page between two other editors. After I went through the article, the Ram Mandir sub section seemed completely out of place as it has no relevance to the article because the sub section is argument based on news channel articles from the wire and zee news which I do not think are reliable for historical references. I think that section should be removed and doesn't help improve the Encyclopedia. MehmoodS (talk) 13:43, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

I will take a look. TrangaBellam (talk) 13:48, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Kamloops Indian Residential School

With this edit at Kamloops Indian Residential School you added back that Sarah Beaulieu is "an anthropologist with years of experience locating unmarked graves". I had removed this in the previous edit because she has had her PhD for less than two year, and none of the four sources cited supports this statement. Could you please revert your edit. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:31, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

 Done TrangaBellam (talk) 06:48, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Categorizing suggestion

I saw your thing about categorizing on PERM by chance; I use cat-a-lot from Commons (there is an enwiki version) that is extremely powerful and simple to use as well, so it may be good to use alongside AWB (if you don't have it already, that is!) Hope this helped, Sennecaster (Chat) 02:03, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Talk page posts

Hi TB, I wasn't sure why you deleted this post. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:24, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:TALKNO--RegentsPark (comment) 14:01, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Non Notable Awards

Hi TrangaBellam, you just reverted my edits on Neha Dixit. Can you please provide references for each award to justify notability. I can see not all awards are notable. It looks like an advertisement. DMySon (talk) 17:55, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done TrangaBellam (talk) 08:16, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Nikita Tomar case mention in Religious Violence in India

Sometime ago on the page Religious Violence in India, i mentioned the Nikita Tomar case. But that edit of mine was removed but it wasn't clear that were you removing it, or it got removed by mistake because you were restoring a previous edit before a disruptive editor. So I just wanted to confirm, is it okay if i add it. If not, can you specify the reason. Extorc (talk) 09:49, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

I do not recall reverting you and I am not familiar with the case either. Let me check the details. Thanks, TrangaBellam (talk) 09:52, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

@TrangaBellam: That was indeed long time ago, I did not get enough time to get back to you. The nikita tomar case is a Murder case where a girl was murdered by a Muslim for not converting to islam and marrying him, the murderer was sentenced to life inprisonment. Im talking about this edit of yours. Extorc (talk) 18:59, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

I do not deem this case to fall under religious violence. Plain old misogyny and male entitlement to female bodies. TrangaBellam (talk) 08:16, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Take a look

Kalhora dynasty

Samma Dynasty

Amb and relevant trash. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:38, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Miangul Hassan Aurangzeb

Miangul Hassan Aurangzeb is a Justice on the Islamabad High Court which has been verified with a reference to a major Pakistani new journal. That is something which does not need to be done more than once when combined with the reference to his biography on the court website. There is a feature on Wikipedia which helps to determine notability and it looks like this. What you should do is click on news and scholar the next time you want to question notability.

Miangul Hassan Aurangzeb

edits since nomination)

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · NYT · WP Library)

RichardBond (talk) 20:06, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

@RichardBond Thanks but no thanks. Read Metropolitan90's close and my thread at her t/p: this was a mistaken nomination and I had requested a speedy-deletion within six minutes, long before you jumped in with the patronizing comments. TrangaBellam (talk) 06:13, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello

How are you user:TrangaBellam, can you give me what is your opinion about this Draft article I think it needs improvement before move it to article. Please make your improvements, thank you --Lovely Mira 82 (talk) 08:56, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Lovely Mira 82 is blocked as a sockpuppet, and the page has been deleted as re-creation of a page deleted at a deletion discussion. JBW (talk) 09:44, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:AFC Helper News

Hello! I wanted to drop a quick note for all of our AFC participants; nothing huge and fancy like a newsletter, but a few points of interest.

• AFCH will now show live previews of the comment to be left on a decline.
• The template {{db-afc-move}} has been created - this template is similar to {{db-move}} when there is a redirect in the way of an acceptance, but specifically tells the patrolling admin to let you (the draft reviewer) take care of the actual move.

Short and sweet, but there's always more to discuss at WT:AFC. Stop on by, maybe review a draft on the way? Whether you're one of our top reviewers, or haven't reviewed in a while, I want to thank you for helping out in the past and in the future. Cheers, Primefac, via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Caste Revisions

Hello TrangaBellam in the article Caste you reverted numerous earlier edits from |Hibernarian and myself and entirely removed the section discussing caste in the United States. In your comments, the explanation that you provided was "Hardly anybody apart from Isabelle W. (who is a pop historian) engages in a similar analysis. Please propose for inclusion at talk." In response, I would refer you to the original section that was removed and included the works of W. Lloyd Warner, Gerald D. Berreman, and James C. Scott. You provided no explanation for removal of these other works, works that support the inclusion of Isabelle Wilkerson's work on caste. I think it was inappropriate to remove this sections without considering all cited works and contributions. I have reverted your edits to the original. CheckDO (talk) 21:06, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

CheckDO, please quote Scott where he engaged in any (non-trivial) comparison between racism and casteism. Warner's article is about a century old; by project-wide consensus, we do not use old sources in these areas. I did not spot Berreman.

Even if we need to include it, three paragraphs are certainly UNDUE. TrangaBellam (talk) 07:44, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

suggestion

is this book reliable for history-related articles? and does the author fits under the category of WP:HISTRS ? Nobita456 (talk) 16:47, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Last comment.

I wasn't suggesting that belongs to you. I found it on twitter while fooling around and found it funny, I thought you will too. Akshaypatill (talk) 12:36, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I understood you but given the Twitter kerfuffle, found it wise to insert a disclaimer. TrangaBellam (talk) 12:38, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Vikram Sampath

TrangaBellam, could you please connect with appropriate Wikipedia authority as your ID has been marked in Twitter threads and those tweets are retweeted by the entity himself. Possible Witchhunting, and it's a serious issue. Marking my mentors for opinion and help - DGG and Timtrent. -Hatchens (talk) 13:02, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Moved the comment from Talk:Vikram Sampath to your talk page, as per the suggestion given by Venkat TL. -Hatchens (talk) 13:02, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@Hatchens I am not sure exactly what has transpired, but probably do not need to know. I looked at Wikipedia:IRC to see if that might help. It might. One of those channels may be appropriate.

There is, of course, no way of controlling, nor of seeking to control, any external social media. It would also be unwise to do so. People are allowed to express opinions on social media within the bounds of lawful usage. One needs a thick skin. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 14:06, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Rant

Vikram Sampath is currently engaged in a legal dispute with another author, Audrey Truschke and others. TrangaBellam is accused of maliciously targeting the author on Wikipedia. TrangaBellam gatekeeps certain pages, preventing verified information from being updated to improve the entry. For example, TrangaBellam reverted the definition and origins of Hinduphobia overnight, removing a verified source, Lexico, Oxford, with the origins of mid 19th Century. Since this source is verified and both origins and definition debunk the claims content written by the above-named author, Audrey Truschke (SASAC Hindutva Harassment Field Manual) and considering that TrangaBellam has cited and arbitrarily defends this debunked SASAC content, the revert to the definition of Hinduphobia is likely to be vandalism due to malice. TrangaBellam's activity on Wikipedia is rightly criticised.Jnanashuddhi (talk) 00:06, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Jnanashuddhi, you are requested to provide evidence of maliciously targeting the author [Vikram Sampath] on Wikipedia or else, I will request for sanctions. TrangaBellam (talk) 06:38, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Anti Hindu Sentiment

Noted that you removed a definition provided by a verified source for Hinduphobia including the origins of mid 19th Century . You have asked for peer reviewed evidence against an unverified source SASAC Hindutva Harrassment Field Manual cited at Controversy section. The reference above disproves the claim of SASAC that the word was recently coined. The remainder of the content is still an unverified source and should be removed from Wikipedia. Please see Please desist from making edits to verified content that refutes this source you are defending.Jnanashuddhi (talk) 23:45, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

What is a verified (or unverified) source? That is a first for me. There is no absolute prohibition against self-published sources and in our case, the drafters are multiple reputed academics in S. Asian studies.

I have restored Lexico. However, the source proves (or disproves) nothing. To draw a parallel, almost all scholars find Hindutva to have had it's origins in V. D. Savarkar and not in Chandranath Basu. TrangaBellam (talk) 06:50, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

References

Buienalarm

Needs a page. TrangaBellam (talk) 04:58, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Popular Front of India

@Neutralhappy: I disagree with his addition of anti-sangh parivar in the lead line. The statement is not neutral.

I am not extended confirmed user, can't do anything.

I can't make edit request, as I am not making any edits. @Tayi Arajakate:.

The first source he used is COI source from PFI website, another is not good, and not required when better sources are available. @Kautilya3: removed the COI tag, but this article will be watched by COI editors, If you check the protection log -Knight Skywalker (talk) 09:05, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Knight Skywalker, this is not Neutralhappy's talk page, if you were intending to talk to him. But, in general, it is best to post your concerns on the article's talk page so that any editor watching the page may attend to the issues. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:44, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

I have no knowledge about the subject. TrangaBellam (talk) 13:45, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

You've got mail

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Responded. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:44, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Vikram Sampath

TB, thanks for your work on Vikram Sampath. A nitpick, though: "Sampath was born to and Nagamani" seems to be from one of your edits on March 5; I guess something went wrong? But I don't know how to correct it. The source doesn't seem to be online. Bishonen | tålk 08:37, 6 March 2022 (UTC).

Thanks - I was searching for the name of Sampath's father but got led to elsewhere, leaving it blank. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:45, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Jammu and Kashmir Reorganisation Act, 2019/GA1

TrangaBellam, the nominator has requested that the review you were conducting be closed (as unsuccessful). If you aren't able to do so in the next day or so, I'll do it for you. Hope all is well. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:40, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks - I missed this message. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:47, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you, TrangaBellam, for continuing to contribute neutral and reliably sourced content to India-related articles on Wikipedia in the face of off-wiki harassment. Your perseverance is what keeps Wikipedia trustworthy for our readers. — Newslinger talk 16:25, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Couldn't second this enough, stay safe. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 17:20, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Source of possible use?

I noticed your inquiry on Resource Exchange/Request page and was checking the author and found a doctoral thesis. This is outside my area of interest, but I thought it might be of use to you.

• SOCIO-ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN COLONIAL DISTRICT MULTAN: (1849-1901)

If you already have it or do not need it, sorry to have bothered you. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:08, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Absolute trash even if I ignore the strange English; do not rely on any non-LUMS thesis from Pakistan. TrangaBellam (talk) 13:32, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Good to know. Thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 13:41, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Strange

Nagas of Padmavati TrangaBellam (talk) 14:41, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

March 2022

Hello, I'm ScottishFinnishRadish. I noticed that you made a comment on the page Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard that didn't seem very civil, so it may have been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:11, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadish: Never template me. And you can play civility police but I stand by my comments. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:15, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Understood, if it comes up again I'll just {{rpa}} and leave it at that. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:17, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Or you can spend that time in writing more content. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:27, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I wrote Shit flow diagram, even had a DYK on it! If you handle edit requests, revert vandalism and the like, then you get some ratios like mine. Still, about 4000 mainspace edits in a year, I'm pretty happy with that. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:38, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

TrangaBellam, SFR is not your enemy here. I'm guessing the WT:FRINGE discussion is going to run a good while longer, and I'm guessing you'll have some experience and well-reasoned opinions to share. I'm working on putting my own thoughts together, and trying not to react with my initial feeling, which is abject bewilderment at some of the early opinions. Firefangledfeathers (talk | contribs) 16:44, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I am not opposed to well-argued critiques of WP:FRINGE and look forward to reading such arguments. I will opine once I have some time to draft something substantial. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:59, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm looking forward to it. I frequently see you on some of the fringiest fringes, and I appreciate your work. For what it's worth, SFR's prolific work on responding to edit requests is also very helpful in protecting the project from some very spicy nonsense. Firefangledfeathers (talk | contribs) 18:07, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Reverts on Battle of Talikota article

Good day,

I noticed that you reverted multiple edits on the above article including mine which were mainly about simplifying language. I want to know more as a lot of content in the article is hard to read/understand.

Vinay84 (talk) 12:23, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Vinay84 Apologies; check my latest edit. TrangaBellam (talk) 12:51, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

No Problem @TrangaBellam, I appreciate your years of effort in Creating this article about a very important yet battle with very few reliable sources.

Have a good day. Vinay84 (talk) 21:30, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Request for evaluation and opinion on Bengali Kayastha

Hi TrangaBellam, I understand you must be busy these days. Can you look at the previous implicit consensus with Sitush, and the way he had organized the introduction of the Origin (History) section long time back, which still represents the consensus version. At that time, the article on Bengali Kayastha didn't exist and this article represented the Bengali Kayasthas as evident from the edits as well. Have a look at this diff, 4 consecutive edits by Sitush after mine here, though long time back, but you must be aware how particular Sitush is regarding sources. I do not have full access to Furui, hence gone through the part I could access. Would request you to suggest any relevant statement from Furui as well. Awaiting your input on the same. Thanks for all the good work you have been doing on Wikipedia, I mean the diverse range of articles you are actively involved in. Ekdalian (talk) 07:29, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Ekdalian , based on the edit history you have shown, looks like Sitush approved it as he actually improved the Banu citation. But we don't have a deadline on WP, lets wait to get Furui from TB also for a few days? ThanksLukeEmily (talk) 14:54, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

No interest in the topics. I will be taking a long break from all kind of Indian affairs in a week or so except the occasional anti-vandalism and spend the next few months in redrafting our articles on Communist Party of the Netherlands as well as Catalan number, both of which needs considerable research.

But, Ekdalian, please revert a tad less - we are under no deadlines. TrangaBellam (talk) 06:12, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

The Kashmir Files

Hello SIR, I had add some information in this article why you deleted that.

Hello sir, Answer? Cinzia007 (talk) 21:04, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Kautilya3 Sir, मैंने इस लेख में कुछ जानकारी छोड़ दिया था उसे हटाया गया है क्या वजह जान सकता हूं. Cinzia007 (talk) 21:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

I suppose you mean this section? I didn't see it. But I would agree that it is WP:UNDUE, because it is not about the film, nor is it clear why it is supposed to be a controverisy. Kapil Sharma can invite whomever he wants to invite. Why is it any of our business? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:07, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanku giving to reply, I apologize for adding wrong information. SORRY 🙏 Cinzia007 (talk) 22:45, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

On The Kashmir Files

I am warning you changing the subject and putting your own viewpoint on the page is extremely prohibited. I am reporting you for your recent editing on The Kashmir Files page!!! Morgankarki (talk) 15:23, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Twitter attack

[11] and [12]. Doug Weller talk 16:08, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

And OpIndia too. You're famous! Feel free to email me if you have any concerns. Doug Weller talk 15:50, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

On the brighter side, Vanamonde93 is no more an enemy! TrangaBellam (talk) 15:46, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, saw that. They don't give me any credit for it, though, surprise surprise...Vanamonde (Talk) 16:11, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Doug Weller @TrangaBellam @Vanamonde93

Why is the tone here 'us' vs them? Is this rebellious attitude helpful esp. when you are editing Wikipedia?

This way you guys end up damaging the neutrality and truth here because you want to feel 'different' or feel like 'going against the crowd'.

On a side note, I can bet none of you have ever written against foundational principle of BLM or like. If the history of slavery can be deeply painful for African-American folks, why should it be different for Hindus when it comes to Muslim invasions? The breathtaking violence that was committed and celebrated over centuries may be ignored by you all, but how about one of you go ahead and tell an African-American in his face that his history of slavery means nothing to you. Bbc2222 (talk) 05:13, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

@Doug Weller@TrangaBellam@Vanamonde93

In the same vein and as you talk about Twitter, and as the controversy rages on about the Kashmir files, I had asked three different Kashmiri Muslims on Twitter as to why they don't want to be part of secular India (with due mention that insurgency has going on from way before the arrival of current Modi government which they may not regard as secular)? On each occasion the conversation ended without any reply.

So can one of you 3 knowledgeable folks tell me what you think is the reason why they don't want to be part of secular India? What is the principle behind that? And is that principle different from what you have set for others? Bbc2222 (talk) 05:31, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

@Bbc2222: Obviously no one can know someone else's motives. You've made it clear that they may not view the Modi government as secular, and as a Westerner I don't see how it meets the standard definition of secular. The "us and them" you ask about - the Twitter feeds very clearly express that attitude. Especially when one of them is from a senior government official making it clear that "us" is the government's position and "them" is Wikipedia, in particular the three editors named. Don't blame these editors for seeing the obvious. And such twitter threads, amplified by OpIndia, are clearly intended to rally people against certain Wikipedia editors and in one case at least identified an editor by their real name and that editor had to give up editing and hide in fear of his life. You know that there are people of both religions who are fanatic enough to kill someone that they see as a threat. Doug Weller talk 08:42, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay agreed if you are concerned about safety of your editors.

However may be I didn't clarify my question - I mentioned to those twitter users that the insurgency in Kashmir pre-dates the current government which is not regarded secular. The violence was much higher in 90s and 2000s.

So again the question is - why do you think they don't want to be part of secular pre-Modi India?

It seems you do have an opinion when you say India is not secular now as per Western standards, so I hope you have developed on opinion on that also. Bbc2222 (talk) 15:28, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't want to speculate about other people. I have an opinion because it seems obvious that Hindutva is about religious identity. I'm not sure I'd call it an opinion actually as it seems to be a fact. Doug Weller talk 15:35, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Let's rephrase the question as I seem to be getting it wrong every time.

Why do you think Kashmir insurgency exists, when India has been largely secular till at least early 2010s? Bbc2222 (talk) 15:48, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

All I know is that it's a contested area between Pakistan and India so there must be tension between Muslims and Hindus. Sorry about the typo for Hindutva which made the link not work. Doug Weller talk 16:24, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Why should it being a contested area result in tension between the two religions? There are area disputes around the world, and they haven't resulted in any religious animosity and to the scale here?

So what is different here? Bbc2222 (talk) 16:51, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Also you didn't answer why you think Muslims in Kashmir don't want to live in secular version of India?

Or you don't know? Bbc2222 (talk) 16:57, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

My talk-page is not a forum; esp. when you are fatally ignorant of a ton of contemporary scholarship on why Muslims [what with the homogenization - ?] in Kashmir don't want to live in secular version of India". TrangaBellam (talk) 17:30, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Agreed, I will take it elsewhere. (where can I?)

Also I realized my mistake my immediately when I wrote "Muslims". Could you point to specific literature which would answer my specific question? Bbc2222 (talk) 17:51, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

I've already linked you to a Wikipedia article, Partition of India, below. Why do you ask again? Would you like me to link you again to the "Pestering" section on Meta, too? Bishonen | tålk 17:56, 16 March 2022 (UTC).

Thanks, I got my answers about the questions and other curiosities I had. Bbc2222 (talk) 18:06, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Bbc2222, it's quite hard to believe your knowledge of the historical background to the religious dimension of the Kashmir conflict is really a blank sheet of paper, as your questions imply. But if it is, I suggest you read a book about it, or why not a Wikipedia article. That would make more sense than expecting Doug Weller or TrangaBellam to explain the basics to you on a user talkpage. Compare this section of Meta:What is a troll?. Bishonen | tålk 17:42, 16 March 2022 (UTC).

I agree. I was just debating and if there is a forum I will take it there. If you see that the conversation evolved.

And frankly I assumed Doug would know answers to this better than I would. But I didn't see that answer coming.

Is there a place where this discussion can be taken to? Bbc2222 (talk) 17:55, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

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The Kashmir files - lead section - Grammar

TrangaBellam Could you please fix this to reduce verbosity in the lead section -

"It became a box office success,[11][12] though critical reception has been middling.[13] The performances of the cast have been described as compelling, particularly that of Kher's,[16] but the film has faced charges of historical revisionism,[19] and is considered to be propaganda aligned with the ruling party,[22] and aimed at fostering prejudice against Muslims.[23] The film was endorsed, promoted and provided with tax-free status in multiple states by the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party.[13][24]"

I don't have rights as yet. Bbc2222 (talk) 23:52, 16 March 2022 (UTC)Bbc2222

@Bbc2222 Please post your requests for edits to the article on the article's talk page at - Talk:The Kashmir Files — DaxServer (t · m · c) 07:59, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Canvassing

Pinging you here as I have left a reply on my talk page to your query. To iterate, it would be welcoming from all parts if you decide to engage in constructive discussion or arguments in the relevant RFC rather than expressing suspicion on other editors who are apparently not in agreement with your views. ☆★Mamushir (✉✉) 12:57, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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The Kashmir file #Historical accuracy

This is your change log. The link you cited doesn't say any thing about BJP Support to VP Singh gov.

Dsnb07 (talk) 08:04, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)  Done Ref mixup @Dsnb07 Could you post these issues on the article's talk page? Thanks! — DaxServer (t · m · c) 11:48, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Kashmir Files request

Hi Trangabellam, please could you consider the consensus in the section https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Kashmir_Files#Drama_Film_to_Historical_Drama and provide your feedback in the section? Webberbrad007 (talk) 11:56, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Film studies etc. is not my cup of tea and I have retracted my !vote. Uninterested. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:57, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Any chance you could help?

I know we got off on the wrong foot, and I'm sorry for templating you, but I'd like to ask if you could provide me with a bit of help. I'm trying to rescue a decline draft, Draft:Meera Isaacs and I've just about reached the end of my ability to find sources. I think the article is just on the cusp of showing notability, and with the amount of english language sources I've found, I'm pretty sure there are more sources available that I can't locate. If you're looking for a little break from The Kashmir Files, I'd really appreciate it if you could take a moment to see if you can find any other sources. If not, not worries. Thanks for your time. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:45, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Sure, I apologize for my snarky responses. I will search for sources.

P.S. : Akshaypatill, can you please scan the vernacular press for any coverage etc.? TrangaBellam (talk) 19:57, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, I appreciate it. It may turn out that she's not notable, but with how often she's quoted in news stories, and the coverage I found so far, it really seems like she is. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:14, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I tried but couldn't find anything. I tried different spellings of 'Isaacs' (vernacular), but still no luck. Akshaypatill (talk) 07:07, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look. I'll probably just end up redirecting to the school and adding a sentence or two there. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 09:10, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Bibek Debroy

There was no need for reverting the edit which merely had links to episodes of the series that Bibek Debroy anchors. The edit simply contained cited facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adisinha94 (talk • contribs) 00:32, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Vikram Sampath offline sources

Hi! I'm working on some COI edit requests for Vikram Sampath, and I'm trying to trace the origin of the "born into wealth" claim you added in this diff. Both citations for that sentence are offline, and it looks like the publications' online archives don't go back that far. (Or in the second citation's case, the source is undated.) Would you have a copy of either piece you could share privately, or could you tell me how you were able to access them? Thanks much for your time/help. Mary Gaulke (talk) 23:32, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Ask your client for the date? Anyway, Sampath states:

"my parents were bankers .."

Do you claim that bankers are not always wealthy? TrangaBellam (talk) 13:12, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Since the source says "bankers", I think we should at most reference that, rather than WP:INTERPRETing the claim, e.g. by updating

Sampath was born into wealth; his father was a Tamil banker and mother, a Marathi housewife.

to

Sampath was born to a Tamil banker and a Marathi housewife.

However, now that I have the source I'm happy to take this request to the article talk page if you prefer. I'm also happy to add that source link to the citation in the article if you're OK with me editing directly to do so. Mary Gaulke (talk) 21:31, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I offer no objections to taking the phrase out of the lead; I do not agree with removal from the body without discussion at the talk-page. Thanks, TrangaBellam (talk) 21:45, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

References

Çary Geldimyradow

?? TrangaBellam (talk) 19:18, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Add to Tasharvat. +Photos. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:39, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Please cite sources

I saw that you just undid a couple of my revisions on the Kashmir files movie page. Can you cite the reason for the revisions .thanks OpenMindedBloke (talk) 06:49, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Go through the edit-summaries?

Considered is considered to be a weasel word. No scholar considers the exodus to be a genocide and hence, we can state to such effects in Wikivoice.

About the other edit, I have no idea about why you had blanked a sourced line under a deceptive edit summary. TrangaBellam (talk) 06:54, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

So let me point out your own mistake, is considered a weasel word or not. You said considered is considered to be a weasel word. Anyways, my intention is pretty simple, to tone down the article. Because it seems too obvious that it has drifted into a certain direction. OpenMindedBloke (talk) 07:07, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

I didn't realize I was into POV-pushing. Thanks! for all the reverts

Anneliesmariefrank17 (talk) 08:49, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Apracharajas

Draft. TrangaBellam (talk) 12:02, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/10.13173/jasiahist.49.1-2.0097.pdf - Read. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:45, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

The Affirmative Action Empire: Nations and Nationalism in the Soviet Union, 1923-1939. TrangaBellam (talk) 05:40, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Mawlana Murad TrangaBellam (talk) 07:34, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

UPE

Despite our disagreement at ANI, I felt like it's probably pertinent to let you know that you're probably right about this. I'll have to dig through my saved links and pdfs but I reported an advert to arbcom a few months ago for Airrick. CUPIDICAE💕 22:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Disputed content

While there is an open dispute over article content, as at Talk:Monica Gandhi, it is not proper to restore the disputed content with the edit summary see t/p. That is only proper after consensus has been reached over the dispute. You first removed the content, and your edit was reverted. It is therefore necessary to retain the content prior to your removal while the discussion proceeds. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:31, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Are you acutely jobless to leave these patronizing messages? Did you see that both of us had reached an agreement? When was the last time you wrote some article of significance? TrangaBellam (talk) 19:37, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Edit warring

With this reversion, you have reached the limit of WP:3RR and are close to approaching santions for edit warring. I do not need to be actively engaged in the dispute to monitor its outcome, and I know that the dispute has not yet reached a consensus. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:41, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@WikiDan61 Do not post on my talk-page ever again. Go play wiki-police somewhere else. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:43, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

For future purposes. TrangaBellam (talk) 20:11, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Mask mandates and changing consensus

Rather than discussing our views on the emerging science and consensus of mask mandates and other strategies on the talk page of that article, it might be better to have such a discussion, if you still care to, on one of our talk pages. It doesn't have too much to do with the article itself, so no need to clutter the talk page. Also, I'm glad we were able to work up a decent COVID-19 section, hopefully other editors approve of it. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:34, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Rana Pratap

Hi, I noticed that you erased a paragraph from the Maharana Pratap page. The citation that has been termed unreliable is by Rima Hooja who is a well known historian. You can see her alumni here [13] . Please do have a look and decide on reverting the edit. Ranadhira (talk) 15:41, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Pop histories are never reliable for controversial topics and Hooja has not published any peer-reviewed scholarship outside of Rajasthani archaeology. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:14, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Hooja is more than reliable for the topic. This reason is not good enough for removing her citation. Ranadhira (talk) 17:05, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Open a discussion at talk-page and advertise at WT:INB. Thanks, TrangaBellam (talk) 17:08, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Kazak Islamic architecture

https://www.jstor.org/stable/25818112 - To write + Upload photos. TrangaBellam (talk) 11:30, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Sunche

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Kashmir Files lead wording draft?

this is about Talk:The Kashmir Files#Time for RFC?. If you would be drafting a proposal for the lead, taking into account the two objections—that the criticism and historical accuracy shouldn't appear in the first paragraph and "fictional" shouldn't be used for the plot, per WP:FILMLEAD and Wikipedia precedent, we can jointly present it for the RfC. This should untangle the "conspiracy theory" debate from the lead wording, that can be held over at wording of historical accuracy section and its summary later in the lead. You can use Fowler's and Mathsci's or any previous version suggested as the basis. regards, TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 12:50, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Mecca in sources

Interesting - update WP. TrangaBellam (talk) 14:16, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

To the Lake

Hi TrangaBellam, you recently made an edit to the page To the Lake. Please be careful not to leave spelling and grammar errors when you edit. Additionally, it is important that you add an edit summary, especially when you add or remove large amounts of content, the way you did in this case. "Ed" is not an appropriate edit summary, as it doesn't explain what you did to the page. Thank you. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 14:16, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Sure - thanks! TrangaBellam (talk) 14:24, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

The Kashmir Files RfC

Hi TB, I made a small change of wording for the Version A to make it sound a bit more logical than it did previously. Please check and, if you don't agree, revert back. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:53, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Add the conspiracy of silence to Version A. I don't want to cite Godbole and Talukdar, who are giving their own spiel, not what the film says. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:24, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

FYI…

It’s considered kinda rude/bad form to remove content from other people’s talk page. Especially content you didn’t create. Now I realize it was a yapper bot message- so- not a big deal in the grand scheme of things- but it would have been better if you had added your edit summary as a comment under the post instead of removing a post from my talk page.

Best wishes!! Nightenbelle (talk) 11:35, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

@Nightenbelle I apologize for the unintended confusion. Thought my edit-summary was self-explanatory: the particular RfC was launched by me only to be withdrawn. So, I went about removing the FRS messages lest other editors waste time on tending to a withdrawn RfC. TrangaBellam (talk) 11:39, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

I did understand- however, as I said- leaving your edit summary as a comment under the post would have been more appropriate. Thanks for restoring it! Nightenbelle (talk) 14:10, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, TrangaBellam - your message on my user 'Talk' page told me to respond here, so hello! I am new to Wikipedia and I did not know about page edit histories and leaving descriptions when I made my first edit. I thought the changes I made were helpful, which I will explain as requested.

The first change I made was the sentence "none of the Bentham journals are now on the lists available of predatory journals". It seemed poorly written, so I just changed it to "no active Bentham journals are currently included on the list". I don't know why you removed that with the comment "huh?" as I was just fixing language. Should that information be updated, or is that not accurate and I missed something? There are other things that seem to be without updates: for example, the amount of journals are out of date (their site says 30 open journals, not 39).

The other content I changed in the "History" section was because I didn't see it on the company's "About Us" description on their website, so I wasn't sure it was accurate. I did not read the citation from Sulaj beforehand, and I see that article explains more. I just based it on what is publicly available in English on the company's site, which I added a citation for. Should I add information about the editorial board being from many different countries, or other information from the article?

Thank you for helping, because I want to learn for future edits to other pages, once I study the guidelines and other links you posted on my page a bit more. Blarf99er (talk) 14:59, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

You cannot use primary sources - like the "About Us" section - for writing on aspects where there exists controversy. Further, we note explicitly that Beall's List is "defunct"; so, why are you linking to random lists of predatory publishers and claiming an absence to implicate Bentham of any wrongdoing? TrangaBellam (talk) 19:41, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

I apologize - I understand what you are saying, I have now read the Wikipedia policy on using primary sources. My incorrect assumption was if there was conflict over a piece of information and its accuracy, then using information from a primary source was acceptable. I see how that can cause issues, though I'm curious why there is such a discrepancy between the company and the citation from Sulaj, which is not from a publication I've read before.

After reviewing the edits you removed and the page's recent edit history, I am still confused about your comment regarding the publisher list. The existing text was "none of the bentham journals are now on the latest lists available" which I changed to "no active Bentham journals are currently included", and added an additional list as a reference, in case a reader or editor wanted to confirm. I did not add anything or change the intent, I was merely trying to fix the language to be accurate (the existing copy did not specify if there were any defunct journals included on the list, so I added 'active' as a qualifier, to be more specific - there could be more information to learn here later).

Thank you again for your help - if there are other policies or examples that would be helpful for me to study, please let me know.Blarf99er (talk) 11:18, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

References

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sewa Dynasty (2nd nomination)

You expressed an opinion at the first deletion discussion. I am alerting you to the second, where you may wish to contribute. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 06:38, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Check Sitush

please go through this Nobita456 (talk) 19:00, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

P. K. Rosy is a biography, unlike Baidya. See WP:NOTCENSOR etc. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:03, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

All wikipedia caste article follow this rule, we cant write controversial varna of a caste in the lead. Nobita456 (talk) 19:10, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Please go away. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:12, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Hey mind your language. you are not following the rules of sitush, better follow it. Nobita456 (talk) 19:15, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Further edits to my t/p will be rollbacked. Thanks, TrangaBellam (talk) 19:31, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

MiszaBot

I've taken the liberty to add MiszaBot, for automatic archiving. It will start archiving within 24 hours; if you don't want this, you can siply remove it from the top of your page. As for the archive-"box": I thrust you'll figure out how it works. Otherwise, ping me for help. And if you don't like the addition: apologies. Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:16, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Belated thanks! Was thinking of doing the same for quite some time. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:41, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

PS: User talk:TrangaBellam/archivelist is unnecessary when you use the simple archives-box; in that case, it might be deleted as well. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:28, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Revert on Gyanvapi

Hello TrangaBellam, You recently reverted my very straightforward edit on Gyanvapi; Special:MobileDiff/1091475803. Let me again elaborate here that I just added link to the main Shiva article; Special:MobileDiff/1091456854. Could you please point out any reason for your revert ?? Thanks. Packer&Tracker «Talk» 02:31, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

I didn't mean to. The software failed to resolve an edit conflict. TrangaBellam (talk) 05:30, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

@TrangaBellam: No issues, mistakes do happen. Packer&Tracker «Talk» 05:35, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

David Sabatini

hi there,

can you please explain why you inside my recent edit?

there was an argument about whether it is legit to bias a LP entry to make him look bad.

the other editor has undertaken it upon himself to find any rule possible to avoid mentioning that the allegation in question are now being litigated about.

after his original gambit ("no RS") failed - turns out there is a NYT reference. he found a new trick.

put the allegations in the lede (as if this is final) and bury the LP counter suit somewhere invisible down. so I've reverted this.

I'm not asking you to get involved. but are you invested in the argument there to revert my edit?

I'm assuming good faith in your side, in sure it wasn't intentional Jazi Zilber (talk) 19:00, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

I think there are more productive ways to edit the encyclopedia than fixate on whitewashing a routine sexual harasser, who got fired. TrangaBellam (talk) 07:51, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

have you read his side in depth? you've decided his guilt it seems. I'm ok with you having a POV. Jazi Zilber (talk) 15:27, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Guy Beck

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Guy Beck is RS, see [14][15], but I removed the word "glowingly" and a nowiki tag from the paragraph which shouldn't have been there. 122.161.190.122 (talk) 18:47, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Take this to the article t/p please. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:30, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Beck has his PhD in religion and his scholarship centers on Hindu music; he has nil academic expertise to review a book that debates AIM. And, Yoga Journal is a pop-magazine. When all critics who have published in academic journals are so harsh, we cannot choose to introduce false balance using shabby publications. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:39, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Kohat article

Hi TB, please check your email. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:30, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

@Kautilya3 Replied. TrangaBellam (talk) 10:22, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:WikiIslam § Footnote on Ali Sina

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:WikiIslam § Footnote on Ali Sina. I believe this was primarily your work. Snuish (talk) 16:33, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Rodong Sinmun

Hello TrangaBellam, were you able to obtain the Rodong Sinmun articles that I posted in RX last year?

I've had no luck finding any articles elsewhere. All of these articles looked like helpful primary sources for transportation in North Korea.

Thanks for your help. Gorden 2211 (talk) 12:31, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Gurjara-Pratihara dynasty

There have been frequent edit requests on this page to change the dynasty from Rajput to Gurjar. I don't have nearly enough knowledge about this to make any determination, but I see that Rajput is sourced, and the sources being provided to the contrary don't look great. Any chance you can enlighten me on whether or not this is just disruptive editing? Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:57, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

ScottishFinnishRadish, unquestionably disruptive editing though I suspect the usage of Rajput label (though sourced) to be anachronistic. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:15, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Neither Rajput nor Gurjar need be present. In fact, no castes should be mentioned on any dynasty pages. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:16, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. I'd just remove the caste information, but I am almost certain that would get reverted, and it would be a whole thing, and I'm not really equipped to provide a strong argument for removal. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:31, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Karana-Kayastha connection

Hey, TrangaBellam sorry to disturb you. This is to inform you that a discussion regarding the Karana-Kayastha connection is going on in WP:DRN. If You wish, you can provide your advice here. Thanks. Regards,Satnam2408 (talk) 16:41, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Not interested. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:53, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Barnstar for You

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		I strongly believe you deserve this for your extraordinary contributions on the article on Baidya. Ekdalian (talk) 13:04, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

June 2022

Hi, TrangaBellam. I hope you are safe and sound. I would like to bring to light the fact that some quick, but extensive adjustments were made to the article you showed interest in the past. Changes were introduced according to the suggestions you made in the article's talk page while reassessing its GA status. I would like to let you know that I would welcome further collaboration with you on this subject and that I look forward for your further comments. PS: Please, accept also my apologies for my initial, frustrating response to your decent remarks in the past. As is known, it is never too late to mend... --Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 10:34, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Responding soon. TrangaBellam (talk) 12:16, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Edit Request Tool changes

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Ty. TrangaBellam (talk) 12:16, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Somnath Temple

That edits is based on what historian views are about it and not any other historian has mentioned similar views. It might be right about the views on Somnath but still it is not well accepted facts and based on Wikipedia rules of NPOV that is neural point of view, the edits was done to attributes the views. And still it is based on the findings of the Historian books and citation about that statement is also attached to the end of statement. So that edits was just a to give neutrality on the page Curious man123 (talk) 12:10, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

but still it is not well accepted - Citations needed. My edit-summary had requested of Webberbrad07 to cite dissenting scholars.

NPOV does not require us to insert attributions where they are not needed (see WP:FALSEBALANCE). TrangaBellam (talk) 12:16, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

But citation supported to that statement should also be attached to clear that it is well accepted facts and not just views. Isn't it? Curious man123 (talk) 12:20, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Clean

All entries at List of princely states of British India (alphabetical). TrangaBellam (talk) 18:55, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Recent removal of content in athgarh state

Hi there, I saw u removed content and sources from athgarh page, I went through the history of the page and found that you had issues with Ramsay source being cited there multiple times, I agree with u on that part but then I provided sources which were completely unrelated to Ramsay but they were removed by you as well, can u please explain the reason for the removal, and yeah one more thing the same exact sources are cited in other pages as well which are part of the feudatory states of Odisha, u can take a look at them, if there's an issue there I'll remove the content from those pages based on your permission since all the sources cited there are the same sources which had been cited on athgarh page, and all these sources are unreliable according to u based on your edit summary. 103.140.107.247 (talk) 16:07, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

समा राजपूत जाति है जो अभी कच्छ परदेश में है जो पहले थट्टा में राज करती थीं

राजपूत जाति 2409:4041:8E07:DA3B:DFBF:A1D3:1C73:E89D (talk) 17:21, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

समा यदुवंशी राजपूत है

यदुवंशी राजपूत 2409:4041:8E07:DA3B:DFBF:A1D3:1C73:E89D (talk) 17:22, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

What am I to do with this nugget of information? TrangaBellam (talk) 17:32, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Hemantha blocked by ArbCom as a sock

You never know! Doug Weller talk 07:22, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Wow. Doesn't ArbCom disclose the master in these cases? TrangaBellam (talk) 07:40, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

We don't know if Hemantha is the sock or master, for a start. And they must have reasons for not stating publicly. I've no knowledge about this other than the fact of the block and that it's only appealable to ArbCom. Doug Weller talk 09:11, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Cambridge University Press India Pvt Ltd.

Hi TB, do you know anything about this publisher [16]? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:25, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

@Kautilya3 Published by Foundation Books, an imprint of CUP in S. Asia. Here is the Core link. TrangaBellam (talk) 12:37, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

That is ridiculous! It is an intensely POV book. Nothing scholarly about it! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:41, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Puchalapalli Sundarayya was intrinsically involved in the peasant/communist rebellion of Hyderabad and went on to be a significant figure in the Communist Party of India (Marxist). That explains it? TrangaBellam (talk) 12:45, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

OK, I get that they probably acquired Foundation Books. But why are they publicising it as a CUP book? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:43, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

It was always theirs - previously, the name was "Cambridge University Press India Private Limited". Fwiw, the ventures are editorially independent. Iirc, CUPIP's main goal lay in mass-producing cheap B&W copies of textbooks and circulating them across S. Asia. TrangaBellam (talk) 12:48, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Sack of Chittor (1567/1568)

Hello TranaBellam. Please explain; How this content addition which you reverted few days earlier (I noticed yesterday), does not make any sense, Special:MobileDiff/1095283052. How this is not related to the blockade ? Cheers. Packer&Tracker (talk) 04:44, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

You need to attribute the views to Satish Chandra and rewrite the line in such a way so that it makes sense to an average reader. Maybe, something like

Text A [some contemporary chronicle] by Author X noted the battle to be a jihad. Historian Satish Chandra argues that such a characterization arose out of the protracted nature of the battle and vigorous resistance mounted by the Sisodias.

TrangaBellam (talk) 05:06, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

@TrangaBellam: Why a certain fact need to be attributed firstly to a contemporaneous chronicle & then too to Satish Chandra, who was a reputed academic/scholar ? Do facts need to be attributed ? Chandra is not uncertain about his statement either, Thanks. Packer&Tracker (talk) 05:42, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

@Packer&Tracker Chandra is indeed reputed but I am not sure that his explanation, which is not a fact but interpretation, holds consensus among scholars. TrangaBellam (talk) 06:47, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

@TrangaBellam: How you can claim that Chandra assertion is not a fact but a mere interpretation ? As a matter of fact, Chandra tonned down his bigotry in Chittor expedition a lot here by comparing his fatehnama with that of Babur's who too boasted about defeating the infidel Rana Sanga.

You said that Chandra did not attested his claim with a primary evidence ? Here is one chronicle issued by Akbar himself merely two weeks (March 9 1568) after Chittor was ravaged:-

We spend our precious time to the best of our ability in the war (Ghiza) and Jihad with the help of Eternal Allah who is the supported who is the supporter of our ever increasing empire, we are busy in subjugating the localities, habitation, forts which are under the possesion of the infidels, may Allah forsake and annhilate all of them, and thus raising the standard of Islam everywhere and removing the darkness of polytheism and violent sins by the use of sword. We destroy the places of worship of idols in those places and other parts of India. The praise be to Allah, who had guided us to this and we would not have found the way had it not been that Allah guided us

Fatahnama-I Chittor 1568 by Ishtiaq Ahmed Zilli (pp.:-350-361) (translation from 1972 or thereabouts)

But unfortunately it has been swept under the carpet. This is just one quote, read the original text at several instances he hailed his army as Army of Islam against infidels. Chandra infact cover up these by claiming that it was done because of stiff Rajput resistance like it has been the case in the past from several centuries, Cheers. Packer&Tracker (talk) 08:12, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Your understanding of English is sub-optimal. Re-read what I wrote. TrangaBellam (talk) 08:22, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

@TrangaBellam: Ignoring the insult, I posted such lengthy quotations from a original work written around the same time in response to your claim of some contemporary chronicles. Packer&Tracker (talk) 08:32, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Not sure that you understand me.

I have never claimed that Chandra's assertion (that the battle was a jihad) is not backed by primary sources or is an interpretation. I have claimed that Chandra's explaining (because of vigorous Rajput resistance) is an opinion/interpretation and must be attributed.

Best, TrangaBellam (talk) 17:42, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Standards

Ibrahim Ujani

Obaidullah Hamzah TrangaBellam (talk) 18:34, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

NER

Mentioned to make it even more clear what the NER is. I removed it all once before, I expect it will be back again but without context. And really, last good version? My version was good, your comment is one usually used for vandalism etc. Doug Weller talk 18:42, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Apologies. I did not spot your edits - some other name had popped in my watchlist. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:46, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Whew, that didn’t seem typical of you. Doug Weller talk 18:49, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Thoughts?

[17] - LouisAragon (talk) 14:32, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

I will be the reviewer. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:02, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Notice of neutral point of view noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evilfreethinker (talk • contribs) 07:50, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Muhammad Syed

Hi @TrangaBellam, I have removed the "notability" tag which you put on this article. He seems to be a well-known figure - at least I knew him and I am neither Muslim nor American nor involved in that scene. And the article seems to be well referenced. Something had gone wrong with the very first reference, but I have replaced it. If you are still not happy, please explain why either here or on that article's talk page, and I will be happy to discuss your concerns. Doric Loon (talk) 11:23, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

GA review

Hey, how have you been? I very much hope you didn't by chance forget your GA review of the "Turkomans" page, because as much as I know, the Instructions section of the WP:GA states that reviewers should plan on completing the review in a timely manner, that is, getting it done within a week of claiming the review. It's been 14 days since you expressed your desire to make a GA review; however, if you are not interested any more, please, let me know. Thanks and take care! Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 10:53, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

No worries - I am writing the review. Will paste it soon. TrangaBellam (talk) 10:59, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Salman Rafi Sheikh undue weight on several articles

Hi TrangaBellam I was wondering if you could look into how this students thesis has been given such a huge level of prominence in the articles:Balochistan, Pakistan (under the history section after independence) I am baffled about why this students thesis is regarded as so reliable and deserving of 3 large paragraphs on the Balochistan Province page.

Furthermore Khanate of Kalat has another large section devoted to Salman Rafi and his thesis on the Accession section could you kindly take a look at those two articles and possibly trim his section as I believe it's Undue kind regards. TopHustler (talk) 22:09, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:WikiIslam § Islamophobic

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:WikiIslam § Islamophobic. Snuish (talk) 21:01, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Flag of Zeist

I was wondering if it is not notable enough, then why does this article exist? Also, the page exists on Dutch Wikipedia. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 13:54, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Not trying to be this editor, just wondering if mine is that different from the other article. Also, if I were to merge it, which article would I merge into? Zeist (municipality) is technically where the flag belongs to, but Zeist is probably where most people would look for it. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 02:45, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Rubbish computer: Thoughts? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 06:04, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

unexplained removal of sourced content

Hi ,

I see that you have been constantly removing sourced content for Razakars_(Hyderabad) page without any explanation!.

like this : https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Razakars_(Hyderabad)&diff=1107737499&oldid=1107716106

You surely know that comes under vandalism, please take it to talkpage in case of any disagremeent rather than contantly undoing the changes. 2406:B400:D5:388:75DD:3B3:EA74:6758 (talk) 05:34, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Please bring academic sources that use the words "Communist Razakars", "Hindu Razakars" etc. or expect your edits to be rollbacked. Reddy is a nobody. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:55, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

By the way, the talk page already has discussion, which this editor is avoiding. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:20, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

AE

Thanks, I need the information. What of Pranesh Ravikumar? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 12:43, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Closure requests

Ixtal has a question for you over at Wikipedia:Closure_requests#Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#RFC:_Fox_News_(news):_politics_&_science. 100.7.36.213 (talk) 22:37, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Will sit this one out notwithstanding my initial interests. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:30, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Quick question about an edit request

I'm looking at Talk:Daivadnya#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_16_September_2022 and it seems legit to me to remove Christianity from the infobox, as that seems to be historical. The tone of the request makes me think there is context I'm unaware of, however. I'd appreciate any input you or your talk page watchers could offer. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:53, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

I have never come across this caste. So, apologies but I cannot be of any help. You might repost this at WT:INB. TrangaBellam (talk) 05:44, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Rani Suhanadi

Hello, I noticed your deletion of the Rani Suhanadi. I was informed, many years ago on Wikipedia, that to copy text and start a new article, was fully allowed in wikipedia rules, provided that the person who did it stated clearly that they did so and wrote something on the lines of "article started with text from the article X. Please look there for attribution". So that was what I did. Now, admittedly, I was told this several years ago, so wikipedia may have changed policy since then. But I trusted this message, so I created the article in good faith. My thought was simply, that Rani Suhanadi deserved her own article, and her original article (I seem to remember she had one, but I might be wrong), should never had been deleted. I still think this. We have too much information about her to redirect her and fill another article with her information. She is a highly relevant person, suitable for her own article. As I am interested in women's history, this was the reason to why I created the article. When I noticed the words you used when deleting the article, I thought I should explain myself. I did ii in good faith, and if I have broken any rules, I am sorry for this. It was not my intention to do so. You may of course report me to anyone and have me punished any way you wish, and I will accept any form of punishment without any fuss. Since I suffer from anxiety and panic attacks, I am afraid that it is not possible for me to engage in any conflict, since that is simply not good for my health: I thus will accept anything without protest, but I will not be able to engage in any conflict. But you deserve an explanation, both for what happened with the article, as well as for why I will probably not be able to engage in further conflict, and that is why I wrote this. Thank you, and have a good day. My very best wishes--Aciram (talk) 10:26, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I accept that you created the article in good faith and apologize because on retrospection, my edit-summary was needlessly acerbic. I do not wish to engage in any conflict either and will explain my reason, shortly. TrangaBellam (talk) 10:50, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Turkoman (ethnonym)/GA4

TrangaBellam, you opened this GA review on August 3, and haven't been back to begin the actual review proper in the seven weeks since. If you don't intend to start it soon (the general expectation is seven days, not over seven weeks), then it should probably be put back into the pool of nominations awaiting a reviewer who's ready to go. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:32, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Eh - forgot about this. It took some time to access a part. book via ILL. On it, BlueMoonset. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:26, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

The Kashmir Files

Can you tell me why you reverted my edit? Blazin777 (talk) 11:53, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Why are you spamming archive-links? Wikipedia out-links are archived within a day and a bot goes around detecting dead links to fix them. TrangaBellam (talk) 11:59, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Not spamming, it's only rescuing the links and archiving them. Blazin777 (talk) 12:01, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Please see User:Krimuk2.0's contributions. He is also rescuing the sources. That only I do Blazin777 (talk) 12:06, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Krimuk2.0, let IABot do its job. Your spamming of archive links for non-dead url(s) increase page size significantly and affects accessibility. TrangaBellam (talk) 05:36, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I know that you're lying

Hi, I know that you are lying. Mind explaining what wikipedia policy I didn't follow?--Mydust (talk) 17:03, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

@Mydust This is a collaborative encyclopedia. WP:NPA is a policy. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:10, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Wow, that's really cool Mydust (talk) 17:16, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm going to make changes on that page again, make sure to tell me if what's wrong specifically rather than removing the entire content or removing my account. Take care my "decolonial" brother. Mydust (talk) 17:25, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

There is a section at the article t/p. Any more snippy remarks and I will request sanctions. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:35, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Nezak Huns

Hi TrangaBellam, nice article! Can't commit to doing the whole GAN now, but just a note that the Payne, Richard source is not used for anything. Best, CMD (talk) 07:23, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Deleting my comment at Talk:The Wire (India)

Hi TrangaBellam, I noticed you repeatedly deleted my comment in the talk page linked above (see edit, removal, restore, removal). I'm following WP:AGF and WP:AAGF, so I'm assuming they were all done in good faith, but the repeated removal is quite perplexing, especially with the snide comments in the edit summary. Please note WP:TPO, it's not considered nice to edit others' comments, and WP:ARBIP has nothing to do with this. Perhaps you thought I was a sockpuppet or a newbie; I'm not. I have added a separate subsection in the talk page. Please do not remove it, unless you feel so strongly that it cannot exist even on a talk page. If so, please let me know exactly why not, before you do so. Arceus775 (talk) 19:39, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Requesting few inputs

@TrangaBellam

I have sought some inputs @ WP:DUE #Non-vegetarian, Requesting inputs, hopefully that shall help my self content evaluation and improvement process. Thanks Bookku (talk) 07:49, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

I do not contribute to topics so generalized, that they should be rather in a dictionary than in an encyclopedia. TrangaBellam (talk) 14:17, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

This is just to keep you informed that discussion there is shifted to whether to retain, AfD, move or merge the said article. I have mentioned your above point. Still if you wish to weigh in further at any point then most welcome. Bookku (talk) 14:31, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Apologies

Dear Sir, my apologies if I sounded rude to you. I seek your forgiveness. My apologies once again. I do respect you and FF Sir a lot on this platform for your contributions. I am just a learner in front of you. I just request your attention on the page, you are a sound editor. You can improve that article further and correct some of the constant repetitive parts on the page. Thanks and Regards. Akalanka820 (talk) 11:51, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

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To do II

Piano mover's theorem. TrangaBellam (talk) 21:36, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Use

https://web.archive.org/web/20221104140826/https://www.ecp.gov.pk/Documents/Results%201988%20-%201997/Balochistan.pdf TrangaBellam (talk) 16:55, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Provincial_Assembly_of_Balochistan#List_of_Assembles_of_Balochistan - 4,5,6,7 TrangaBellam (talk) 16:58, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

 Done TrangaBellam (talk) 19:01, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

1 and 2 in Leiden/Wiki/Pak/Baloch/Assembly_Data/*.csv TrangaBellam (talk) 16:59, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

3, 8, 9 - ?? TrangaBellam (talk) 19:01, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Northeast India history sources

The history of the Northeast has been heavily drawn from Buranjis in an uncontested way. There are some good sources that discuss the interaction between Northeast India, SEA and Ming, and the transfer of Gun Powder technology.

1. Laichen, Sun (2000). Ming -Southeast Asian overland interactions, 1368--1644 (Ph.D.). University of Michigan.
2. Wade, Geoffrey (1994), The Ming Shi-lu (Veritable Records of the Ming Dynasty) as a Source for Southeast Asian History -- 14th to 17th Centuries, Hong Kong

Northeast heritage (talk) 04:05, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Acknowledged. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:56, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

These two sources were promoted by a blocked sockpuppet. Their uses are at the same level as Buranjis. They cannot be used until professional historians have critically examined them for their relevance in Assam's history. Chaipau (talk) 22:18, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

GA review

Hi, TrangaBellam. I'd be grateful if you could at least publish your first thoughts after certain suggestions of the new GA review of Turkomans page were implemented, because it seems to me, unfortunately, that this review has already taken too long. Thanks. Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 13:43, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Page mover granted

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If you do not want the page mover right anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Thank you, and happy editing! DanCherek (talk) 15:14, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Congrats on PageMover, @TrangaBellam! — Shibbolethink ^{(♔ ♕)} 17:34, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

What happened here?

I must confess, these diffs are too long for me to read and understand. You mentioned that you were removing sources from 2018, but I can't tell what this refers to. What were they? jp×g 05:00, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Diff 2:

However, several scholars define shadow-banning as the practice of limiting tweets' distribution. - As blatant SYNTH as it can be.

Kayvon Beykpour, Twitter's former head of product, responded on Twitter that Weiss was "characterizing any de-amplification as equating to shadow banning which is either a lazy interpretation or deliberately misleading." - Who cares? As I wrote at the t/p, no blow-by-blow he-said-she-said account.

Thanks, TrangaBellam (talk) 08:29, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Recent edit

Hi -- for your recent edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindu_American_Foundation&oldid=1128749723), can you please only revert the subsection that you would like to discuss (in this case the "visa for narendra modi" section)? I originally made these as separate edits so they could be handled / discussed / reverted as needed separately... Llightex (talk) 20:17, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Ah - you have a point. I have restored the edits which I do not object to. TrangaBellam (talk) 20:30, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

HAF

Please self revert now, you’re at 4rr. I was going to revert the IP. Doug Weller talk 19:56, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Even though the IP is blocked. Doug Weller talk 20:01, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for keeping a tab; appreciate the protection. TrangaBellam (talk) 20:29, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks, MBL. Happy Holidays! TrangaBellam (talk) 07:07, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Edited Quote

Hi TB. In this edit, "other world views," which is part of a quote, was changed to "others." However "others" was left inside the quotation marks. I'm not sure how you want to resolve that, so I haven't made any edits to it for now. Snuish (talk) 19:19, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year, TrangaBellam!

Happy New Year!

TrangaBellam,
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Thanks. Same to you, Abishe. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:28, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

The Kashmir Files

[[The Kashmir File#Review by Shubhra Gupta Please adhere to the topic where consensus was built. if you want to change, before changing again make sure to discuss. Dsnb07 (talk)