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Broken Template:Infobox information appliance

Hi. One of your edits (diff) broke Template:Infobox information appliance. Several entries are now overridden by later entries and thus not shown in the template (e.g. power, type). Could you fix that? Thanks. - 1exec1 (talk) 15:34, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Fixed. Sorry about that. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 15:39, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
type still doesn't show. 1exec1 (talk) 15:41, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Argh. Try now? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:01, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
It's OK now. Thanks. - 1exec1 (talk) 11:41, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

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linkrot what?

Hi, saw you did a lot of work on Bicycle sharing system and then added a linkrot tag, last October. But most of the references (then and now) look fairly complete, with no actual 'bare URLs'. I want to remove the tag, but what's your view? Pedalissimo (talk) 12:07, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I can still see quite a few bare URLs in the current article,and references 60-70 don't have proper context. I'll see if I can fix this myself. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:17, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Squad templates

I've taken on a project to attempt to integrate the functionality of all the various squad options at present. I know there's a good chance I'll fail and a good chance it won't get consensus even if I succeed, but to be honest I'm enjoying the challenge for its own sake. My long term aim is to achieve the dual table/navbox functionality of {{Boca Juniors squad}}, but that's some way off at the moment.

So far I've integrated {{fs player2 sort}} with my slightly tweaked version of {{fs player2}} (in other words, I've incorporated {{sortname}} into {{fs player2}}). Space is not at a premium in the wikitable format, so I've expanded the positions to Goalkeeper, Defender, Midfielder and Forward, which has the added benefit of removing that unsightly key. For aesthetic reasons I've centre aligned the squad numbers. I've also made other optional additions, allowing for the changing of table formatting, and the addition of a source and/or date.

A few examples of what I've done so far can be seen at User:WFCforLife/Test. The Stevenage squad is an example of what the template would look like if my version of {{fs start2}} is used with no parameters at all, while the other examples demonstrate various combinations of different parameters being used, long lines etc. I was wondering if you had any thoughts? —WFC— 19:20, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Looks absolutely perfect (minor kvetching concerning my dislike for custom header colours aside). We should certainly use this as the canonical test code. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:48, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Infobox currency

Hello Thumperward, I have proposed my infobox currency suggestion as per your request to the Wikiproject Numismatics talk page, however, no response arrived. There is not much activity there, anyways. I included my points in adding that data row earlier. To put it short: date of introduction is a cardinal information for a currency and – although there might be several dates of adoption for different areas – it has a single date of introduction by its central bank, as it is connected rather to a central bank than to a country. It would be appreciated if you could add this data entry row plus a row for reference for the actual law or act. I would also suggest to move the "issuing authority" entry to the top after "ISO code", then would the "date of introduction" and "date of introduction reference" come, and then the rest. The template would look like then this: 

{{ infobox currency
| currency_name =
| currency_name_in_local =
| image_1 =
| image_background_1 =
| image_title_1 =
| image_width_1 =
| image_2 = 
| image_background_2 =
| image_title_2 =
| image_width_2 =
| iso_code =
| issuing_authority =
| issuing_authority_title =
| issuing_authority_website =
| date of introduction =
| date of introduction reference =
| using_countries =
| unofficial_users =
| using_countries =
| inflation_rate =
...
| rarely_used_banknotes =
| banknote_article =
| printer =
| printer_website =
| printer_override_with_original_text =
| mint =
| mint_website =
| mint_override_with_original_text =
| obsolete_notice =
| footnotes =
}}

Thanks, Timur lenk (talk) 07:00, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Right, try the sandbox. I've added date_of_introduction and date_of_introduction_source (the underscores are for consistency with existing parameter names) and reordered the labels as requested. If this is okay for you and there are no obvious bugs I'll sync this to the live template. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:45, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, I think it is great. --Timur lenk (talk) 16:41, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Deployed. Please update the documentation. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:49, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Quique Flores

Hi there CHRIS, VASCO here,

Colombian "user" has returned to the aforementioned page, wrongfully adding the "Sánchez". Most interestingly, he has resumed the racist attacks towards me, in the userpage.

Any suggestions and/or criticism? --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:50, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry about your userpage vandalism. Unfortunately, there's not much we can do about an editor on a dynamic IP who disappears for months at a time before reappearing. If it happens more frequently we can block the user or semiprotect the page, but neither would help in this case. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:59, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Don't know if you noticed it, but this particular IP has been used for two days now, is that info useful? --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:08, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Two dates, spanning midnight. The IP's four edits all occur within a 17-minute timespan. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 19:41, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
My bad, did not notice that...Seriously, this guy is an animal, i politely (before i lost it) point out that the name in English WP was Q.FLORES and not Q.SÁNCHEZ FLORES, and lots of users did the same, and he gets on my case like there is no tomorrow? A bit fed up with this, at least my userpage is now protected indef, i don't need to alter anything there, if i do i'll politely ask the admin who protected it to "allow me".

Cheers! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:10, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Links_To_Universities

Should a scientist (or other) be linked to a University in an article? Example: Carolin Cardamone, Brown University or just Carolin Cardamone.

Is there a rule about linking to Universities? Richard Nowell (talk) 13:29, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

There's no specific rule other than that in WP:LINK (in particular, the subsection WP:OVERLINK). If the link is likely to be relevant and contextual for the reader, then including it may be beneficial, but in a long list of academics (for example) linking every institution is not helpful. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:50, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Ah, I see you've used "linked to" here in the additional sense of "tied to". There is no mandate to include an academic's current place of work at all when referring to said individual; again, it may be beneficial to the reader to do so, but when that is appropriate is a matter of editorial discretion. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:52, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Thankyou for your thoughts. It seems unnecessary even to link a scientist to a university, as the paper that has been cited will tell of the appropriate educational facility. In some of the papers the scientist has several facilities mentioned. As for being 'tied to' (as if on an exclusive contract), I don't think that is necessary or justified. Also, scientists move around- Carolin Cardamone was at Yale but is now at Brown via MIT. Also, not having links seems more egalitarian: does one think that a scientist from Yale will be better than one from Brown (for instance)? Richard Nowell (talk) 10:01, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

As I say, it's a matter of editorial discretion. We don't routinely do it, but nor do we prohibit it. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:17, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Template:Infobox turf race

Re your modifications to the Template:Infobox turf race. Would you please restore the important Green color in the race name box's background. Thank you. Hialeah Harry (talk) 20:20, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

In what way is the colour green important to the infobox? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 20:24, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
With all due respect, as I'm sure you are well-intentioned, but if you have to ask that, would it not have been appropriate to have first posted a consultation on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Thoroughbred racing before making such a major change? Hialeah Harry (talk) 01:25, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
Not really: if there's a good reason for it, the answer should be pretty straightforward. Parkinson's Law of Triviality suggests that the most likely outcome of taking the colour of an infobox header to a WikiProject discussion is a great deal of wasted time. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 07:26, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Thumperward. You have new messages at Armbrust's talk page.
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"hlist" class in navboxes

hi. I responded on my talk page. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 17:06, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Pepe (footballer born 1983)

Hi there THUMP, VASCO "here",

for reasons that escape me, one cannot "report/share our thoughts on" vandalic acts at WP:FOOTY (last time i did so, received a scolding). I honestly tell you man, i never noticed you asking us not to do that (at least not directly in my talkpage), "honestest" of truths.

First things (related to title of message) last...the vandalism in this player's article continues, now inclusively removing ref'd stuff about his last violent incident, done by a guy whose username contains the word "REAL MADRID", 'nough said (User:Yusufmoosa1 also went the distance in vandalizing the article), i have sent him a message.

Pepe is, in my humble opinion, the dirtiest player that takes the pitch in the major European leagues, the ones that have constant coverage. Of course, one cannot write in his article "he is a dirty player" or "the dirtiest player" because it would be biased. But the incident with Lionel Messi (as the one with Javier Casquero) must be allowed to stay, don't you agree? If they are referenced, that's not bias, that's "telling it like it is".

Do you think the article can be protected for a week or two, as it has in the past once or twice? If not, any suggestions? Enjoy the rest of your weekend, regards from Portugal - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:10, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

It is incredibly harmful for us to have editors trying to ensure that negative material is added to or kept on articles on biographies of living people. The content that you are edit warring over (and labelling other editors as vandals for removing, which is not the first time by any stretch of the imagination that your edit summaries have been unacceptable) does not state that Pepe is "the dirtiest player that takes the pitch in the major European leagues": the reference in question makes no mention of any such thing. Adding such an incident to an article is a blatant attempt at making one's opinions felt by implication, which is wholly unacceptable. As for bringing up vandals at WT:FOOTY, we have a well-respected essay at Wikipedia:Deny recognition which covers that matter. It's been mostly ignored in the past because you do excellent work for the project, but you must understand that not everyone is going to excuse things like abusive edit summaries in the long run. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 20:19, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
  • I guess we have to cease all interaction (at least with me beginning it, whenever you want to come to me for help you're very welcome), another scolding and misunderstanding! Yes, i label a user who removes a referenced section (5 or 10 lines of content) without one word in summary a vandal, my opinion. Also, could you please tell me in what way is the content as it now stands, a violation of BLP (if i'm understanding it well)? The player Pepe stepped on an opponent's hand, deliberately (he can deny it all he wants), it is referenced clearly, without taking sides. Hence, i don't know why do you counter-mention the "the dirtiest player that takes the pitch in the major European leagues" when i am 100% on your side there, it is unacceptable to write that on a biography because it is biased.

By the way, you did not address the situation of a possible page protection, instead focusing on another reprimand, and the article continues to be vandalized (now he is a "CRIMINAL" and a "BUTCHER"; don't worry, i have reverted it without insults :)).

Seriously man, i have tremendous respect and consideration for you, and i don't know how many times i have to say that: 1 - yes, i agree some of my summaries are very stupid; 2 - i have promised over and over again to work on that, failing somewhat miserably. The only solution would be to have extended wiki-breaks, or to stop editing altogether; thus, if i come for assistance and the result is this (reporting vandalism and/or uncool behaviour - removing stuff without a word - and still hear about my antics), don't worry, i'll stop bothering you.

Attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:19, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Here, he insults Messi (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2010_FIFA_World_Cup_statistics&diff=371583902&oldid=371580644), fancy it has anything to do with the fact he plays for the "hated" FC Barcelona? No way...if i'm not mistaken about this individual, i have to brace myself for some intense reply, even though my message to him was polite, but to the point.

Again, sorry to bother you, the buck stops here. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:28, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

  • Sorry to belie my words, but i have to make an exception: User:Sujith realmadrid has sent me a message - and User:GiantSnowman - insulting and threatening with legal action (this from a guy who calls Lionel Messi "Lionel Pussi" and insults FC Barcelona fans in his summaries!). I have done what i could, for example apologizing for using the word "vandal" in my summary in Pepe's article, but all conversation with this person stops.

Don't reply to me if you will - getting used to it - but please have a look at the situation. Attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:00, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

I've issued a warning for legal threats, and I'll keep an eye on the user. On the matter of page protection, it should hopefully no longer be necessary now that the material in question has been rewritten in a more neutral manner. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:31, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
He has just reiterated his legal threats. GiantSnowman 12:22, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
And blocked. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:48, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Chris, thanks. A quick question (and now i surely would like a reply man, "mandatory"): if he continues with this (i sent him a message before seeing he had already agreed to desist on his legal intentions, polite, but i expect everything from this individual after seeing those summaries and his out-of-this-world reaction towards me and Snowman) - i still don't think i understand the full scope of what "legal action" means (what is it? take me to a real court and/or possibly to jail?) - which steps to you advise me to take?

Sincerely and attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:15, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

NLT prevents editors from participating here while issuing legal threats, but it unfortunately cannot stop editors from suing one another. Should that happen, you'd be best getting real-world advice on how to respond. That said, and bearing in mind that I am most definitely not a lawyer, I don't think there's any credible legal threat here. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:00, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
  • I have not resisted and, in our latest exchange, in his talkpage, have confronted Sujith regarding the "Lionel Pussy" summary, politely as i should. Let's see the reaction. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 19:05, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
He said he was only doing it in response to vandals. As one who has lost it so many times with vandals, i am bound to believe him. Case closed for me. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:42, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

IFFHS World's Top Goal Scorer of the Year‎

Remember محمد الخوبري (talk · contribs), who was re-posting and re-posting IFFHS World's Top Goal Scorer of the Year‎ and its variants? Well after your final warning to him he disappeared, and has now re-appeared as 109.200.180.192 (talk · contribs · info · WHOIS), and has re-created the article again at Template talk:IFFHS World's Top Goal Scorer of the Year. GiantSnowman 14:57, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

And is now introducing the topic into existing articles... GiantSnowman 13:44, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Just seen the block - thanks very much - but Template:IFFHS World's Top Goal Scorer of the Year has already been sent to TfD, by me, on 19 January... GiantSnowman 14:33, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
D'oh. Should be fixed now. Cheers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:35, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

algebraic notation template

I was the only opposition at Template talk:algebraic notation to your instinctive strong dislike of the template code (complexity) and use in articles. This is to let you know you would receive no opposition from me there anymore, my interest in the Project has been killed; you are free to do what you deem best there, including total revert, I no longer care. Ok, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 05:21, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

SFL1

When was the last time the Scottish First Division didn't "happen to have" part time teams in it? 94.2.8.11 (talk) 23:17, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

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on navbox construction

Hi. I think your input would be useful. Thanks. Alarbus (talk) 13:07, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Replied over there. Thanks. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:42, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
I was just reading your post. {{global warming}} is worse. Best wishes, Alarbus (talk) 13:51, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Formatting question

Hi Chris, I was wondering if you would know the answer to a formatting question. It is for this poem in If This Is a Man.

The author wrote the poem with indents at various points, and I have added these to the poem, in the original Italian, with the English and German next to it, line by line. But the code we have used in the article means that the translations are very close to each other, and it is looking a bit squished.

Do you know how to write this so that the three versions (the Italian, English, and German) are further apart, i.e. are spread along the width of the page, rather than right next to each other? (Someone has reverted in part because it looks messy, which is why I'm linking to an old version above). SlimVirgin TALK|CONTRIBS 19:59, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

One problem is that a table layout mixes content and presentation. Ideally, you'd want the markup to degrade gracefully. How does the following look to you?


  • Se questo è un uomo
  • Voi che vivete sicuri
  • Nelle vostre tiepide case
  • voi che trovate tornando a sera
  • Il cibo caldo e visi amici:
  • Considerate se questo è un uomo
  • Che lavora nel fango
  • Che non conosce pace
  • Che lotta per mezzo pane
  • Che muore per un sì o per un no.
  • Considerate se questa è una donna
  • Senza capelli e senza nome
  • Senza più forza di ricordare
  • Vuoti gli occhi e freddo il grembo
  • Come una rana d'inverno.
  • If This is a Man
  • You who live safe
  • In your warm houses,
  • You who find, returning in the evening,
  • Hot food and friendly faces:
  • Consider if this is a man
  • Who works in the mud,
  • Who does not know peace,
  • Who fights for a scrap of bread,
  • Who dies because of a yes or a no.
  • Consider if this is a woman
  • Without hair and without name,
  • With no more strength to remember,
  • Her eyes empty and her womb cold
  • Like a frog in winter.
  • Ist das ein Mensch?
  • Ihr, die ihr gesichert lebet
  • In behaglicher Wohnung;
  • Ihr, die ihr abends beim Heimkehren
  • Warme Speise findet und vertraute Gesichter:
  • Denket, ob dies ein Mann sei,
  • Der schuftet in Schlamm,
  • Der Frieden nicht kennt,
  • Der kämpft um ein halbes Brot,
  • Der stirbt auf ein Ja oder Nein.
  • Denket, ob dies eine Frau sei,
  • Die kein Haar mehr hat und keinen Namen,
  • Die zum Erinnern keine Kraft mehr hat,
  • Leer die Augen und kalt ihr Schoß
  • Wie im Winter die Kröte.

Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 20:39, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

That looks great, Chris, thank you! I'll give it a try now. SlimVirgin TALK|CONTRIBS 22:23, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
I'm playing with it here, but can't see how to make sure each column starts with the beginning of the poem (the titles are in bold). SlimVirgin TALK|CONTRIBS 02:49, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Okay, got it, thanks! SlimVirgin TALK|CONTRIBS 03:38, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

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Declined CSD

I declined the speedy on Butcher block. I see the substantial overlap in wording, but the wording on the WP article goes back to 2008, leaving open the possibility that it is a reverse copyvio.

If you researched this, and know for sure, please post the info, otherwise, I suggest it should be listed at WP:CP, so it can be reviewed by the experts.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 13:58, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm. I still think that the content reads sufficiently like off-site product copy (advice, weird use of units of measurement) to make this a possible, but the editor who started it isn't the type and my research led to the same answer as yours presumably did (the oldest *verified* example of an off-site page with the same content is from 2008, whereas the content in question has been here since 2006). Fair enough. Thanks. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:15, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
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