User talk:The Founders Intent/Archives/2008/January

Thanks on the helicopter article

I've been meaning to diversify out of some of my more specific interests (intelligence and special operations) in MILHIST, and it's good to know that something helped. Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 18:26, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, which talk page did you want me to look at? Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 04:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Not a talk page, it's the Attack Helicopter article, Modern Attack Helicopter section. I discuss it on the associated Talk page.--THE FOUNDERS INTENT ^TALK 14:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

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Air bag deletion

If you wish to make a page move that can't be performed using the "move" tab, make a request at WP:RM. Thanks. --Closedmouth (talk) 03:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Air bag

Regarding this edit: Excuse me for messing with your article. I'll make sure I never interfere with one of your articles again.

Just in case some administrator comes along and decides to do the move you're requesting, could you actually mention somewhere which page needs to be moved on top of Air bag? --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 03:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of implying ownership, it was you who conducted a drive-by without contacting the requester. Is that beneath you or something? We wouldn't be here if you had shown minimal courtesy.--THE FOUNDERS INTENT ^TALK 03:36, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, yeah, there's always Wikipedia:Requested moves. Or, you could have made some sort of request on the talk page of the article, or mentioned something in the speedy delete reason. Actually, I'll tell you what: Just go ahead to WP:AN/I and tell everyone that I screwed up a speedy delete request and a page move. Or find a good off-Wiki attack site and gripe there. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 03:40, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Guys, calm down, there are proper channels this can go through, you don't have to bite each other's heads off. --Closedmouth (talk) 03:42, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I made a simple request and it apparent didn't sit right with Elkman, so he just decided that hitting the undo button would do the trick.--THE FOUNDERS INTENT ^TALK 03:48, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

You said you wanted it deleted for a page move. Am I supposed to move something on top of it, like Airbag or Airbag (album) or Hot-air balloon? Actually, tell you what: I won't do anything more with this article, since I'm apparently too stupid to be able to figure it out, and since I don't have minimal courtesy, and since it's beneath me to figure out how to ask someone a question. I'm done with Air bag or anything else to deal with it. But I will ask other admins how to do this since I'm apparently too stupid to figure out how to do a simple page move. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 03:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

No, I'll take care of the move. Well your buddy already decided that you were right and put it all back as it was. Just forget it, leave the other article to be moved wrong, people can stay stupid for all I care. I give up.--THE FOUNDERS INTENT ^TALK 03:58, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I deleted Air bag. That fulfilled your request. What the hell else am I supposed to do? --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 04:00, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Nothing, that's all I ever wanted. Thanks.--THE FOUNDERS INTENT ^TALK 13:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

(ec) I'm not an admin, so I don't delete pages. And just FYI, you're being incredibly incivil about this. You might want to tone down your correspondence with other users, it can get you into trouble. --Closedmouth (talk) 04:01, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe so, but you don't know all the details.--THE FOUNDERS INTENT ^TALK 13:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I will be away from the keyboard for the next half hour so I can finish up a project that has to be done tonight. Since I'm still unable to figure this out, please make a complaint about my behavior at WP:AN/I. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 04:03, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

TFI, when I need a page moved to an existing page, and that page has to be deleted, I use the {{db-move}} template. For example, by placing {{db-move|airbag}} on the air bag page, I let the admin know which page I want to be moved. THe admin can then investigat the move, and make sure it is an non-controversial move. Some admins will just delete the page, while other will make the move themselves too. I use {{db-move}} on a semi-regular basis, and did one just last week. Very rarely has an admin denied my request. From what I gather of the conversation above, that is what Elk was asking for. If I'm mistaken, sorry. I'm just trying to help out a fellow editor, but you're welcome to value the advice at what it cost you to get it! Happy editing. - BillCJ (talk) 04:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

US Air Force Apache helicopter

You asked for a source to prove that the USAF has Apache helicopters - the USAF have not operated the Apache! If you are refering to the template I have added to AH-64 Apache - that has nothing to do with who operated the aircraft but the sequence of numbers in which H-64 appears. In 1962 when the numbering system was re-started at H-1 for all three services they decided to carry on the older sequence as well. As part of the Aviation Project we are adding templates instead of hard coded lists used previously. The use of the term USAF is just the name of the template, it does not appear on the page as USAF but as United States military helicopter designations post-1941. MilborneOne (talk) 12:23, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Ahhhhhhhh, okay gotcha. My sincere apologies.--THE FOUNDERS INTENT ^TALK 14:14, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Asperger's / Autistic pride / Neurodiversity

You wrote at Talk:Asperger syndrome: "Furthermore, since when is "autistic pride" a member or entity expert in treatment or diagnosis? Is this like gay pride? First amendment speech I respect their voice, but are we giving them a status of authority in the realm of science?" --
"Authority" yes, but not necessarily "scientific" authority. More like "social" and legal authority, I guess.
The Autistic pride / Neurodiversity movement (broadly speaking) takes the position that Aspies are just "different" from the majority (like left-handed people or gay/lesbian people), and that it's not appropriate for the majority to tell them that they need to be "treated".
I see on your user page that you "really really like a lot of red pepper". Do people have the right to tell you, "That's kind of odd of you. You should be treated for that."?
You might make a personal decision that you want to be treated for that (maybe it's aggravating an ulcer or something), but if you're content with the situation, who can tell you that you "should" be treated anyway? Thus my original post to Talk:Asperger syndrome on whether we want to say "should" in the article. -- Writtenonsand (talk) 13:52, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

If too much red pepper becomes an official medical diagnosis, I guess maybe someone could tell me it should be treated. But that does not obligate me to get treatment. Actually I was quite surprised that something like autistic pride exists. Live and learn.--THE FOUNDERS INTENT ^TALK 17:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Returning

After much thought and deliberation I have decided to return. Many wikians contacted me by various means and I truly appreciate the support from all of them. Man, did I need that wiki break! I have learned from it and will use the experience to improve. — Rlevse • Talk • 19:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Eh? You been gone for a day.  ;) Admit it, you're because I told you your cubicle needed cleaning up and we weren't gonna just do your work for ya. Welcome back!--THE FOUNDERS INTENT ^TALK 22:11, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

AAPG

Hi FI! I reverted your comment at Scientific opinion on climate change. Please not that the new statement moved the AAPG from rather sceptic to non-committal. Nowhere does the article state that it supports the consensus. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 20:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

A wee observation

Hi,

Regards the following comment, "This article should be about things that help people with AS or family members who live with someone diagnosed with AS", this is not the actual goal of wikipedia. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia designed to convey information about its topics, as can also be seen in its five pillars. In other words, Wikipedia is not a how-to manual, and this includes providing advice about how to live with or deal with any topic (though the sister project, wikiHow, does this exact thing). Wikipedia is meant to be informative rather than useful, and has a medical disclaimer to avoid people seeking medical advice which may not be appropriate. As such, integrating proscriptive advice into an article is possible, but must be done with care.

Thanks, WLU (talk) 16:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

You have a point, however it is unlikely that any expert in the field would use Wiki as a source on the subject. But ordinary people will. So I really don't need a lecture on writing, but I appreciate the offer. I also didn't say it should be a how-to article; that's not the only way to read my comment. You might want to have a talk with the folks getting wrapped around the axle on whether patience should or should not be required to take medication. Sounds like a POV issue, and not just stating the facts and nothing buy the facts.--THE FOUNDERS INTENT ^TALK 20:17, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure. Note that that particular sentence has been re-written. My intent wasn't to criticize your writing or intent, just to point out that wikipedia has a specific purpose. WLU (talk) 20:31, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Fine, my point is that there was a long drawn out discussion about a point that should have been dropped the minute too much doubt became obvious. Articles should contain what is well known and accepted by the expert community or proven by test. Take care.--THE FOUNDERS INTENT ^TALK 20:36, 25 January 2008 (UTC)