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Bu nasıl ? Takabeg (talk) 14:04, 30 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Kaynak olarak gösterilen yer içeriğini Vikipediden kopyalamış. Adil kullanıma uygun şekilde yerel Vikipedilere yüklenebilir; ama Commons'a yüklenemez. Copyright violation gerekçesiyle sildirebilirsin.--Rapsar (talk) 16:01, 30 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sen de orada görüşünü yazarsan iyi olacak. Birde A, B ve Nuri Demirağ NUD-38, çekiliş tarihi 1939 olarak gösteriliyor ama bu uçağın ilk uçuş tarihi 1944 idi. Nasıl çekti 1939 yılında ??? Takabeg (talk) 01:49, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
O Nikos... resmini de silinmeye aday gösterseydin daha iyi oalcaktı. Türk Deniz Kuvverlerinin logosu ise resmî sitede farklı gösteriliyor. Sadece ortadaki arma var orada. Dediğin gibi ilk başkanı 1949 yılında göreve gelmiş resmî siteye göre; ancak yine de detaylı bir araştırma şart. Birkaç dosyayı birden silinmeye aday göstermişsin, onların gerekçesi de haklı bildiğim kadarıyla. Uçağın yapımı 1941'de tamamlanmış, ilk uçuşunu ise 1944'te yapmış buradaki maddeye göre. Tarihte bir hata var. Yine de eser sahibinin o yıl vefat ettiğini varsaysak dahi süre dolmuş olmuyor. O da silinmeli kanımca.--Rapsar (talk) 07:33, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri'nin resmî sitesinde ve yayımlarında logo (veya benzeri) de kullanılıyor. Diğer logolar ise Türkçe Vikide de İngilize Vikide de non free fair use dosyası olarak yüklenmekte. Mesela fotoğraflarında da görebilirsin. Birde ilk komutanları (1949-)nın sol göğüslerinde bröve bile göremezsin. Takabeg (talk) 07:36, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Demek istediğim ana sayfa ve oramiral Murta Bilgel'in üzerindeki armaydı. Orijinal arma odur. Onun ne zaman yaratıldığına bakmak gerek.--Rapsar (talk) 14:12, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Armenian quote[edit]

Selam, Filanca. O maddedeki User:Ali55te'nin katkılarını silebilir misiniz ? Belki de faydalı bilgileri de eklemiş olabilir. Fakat biraz acımasızca temizlememiz gerekir ki, kukla olarak tekrar girip propaganda yapmasına izin verileceğini sanmasın. Takabeg (talk) 22:09, 30 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merhaba. Maddenin durumu şu an fena değil aslında. Ali55te'ye "ders vermek" için tüm değişikliklerini silmek doğru olur mu emin değilim. Başlagıç kısmını gereksiz, hatta kendi TBA'sını da desteklemeyen bilgilerle doldurmuştu, onları metnin içinde başka kısımlara aktaracağım. Filanca (talk) 10:23, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm. Ben o maddeyi takip etmediğim için dokunmadım. Diğer maddelerdekileri sildim. Kaynakların, özellikle Türkçe kaynaklarının, yanlış kullanıldığı anlaşılıyor. Kullanıcı bunları kasten mi yaptı, yoksa bilmeden mi yaptı, onu bilemiyorum. Bence dikkatli bir şekilde kontrol etmemiz lazım. Mesela burada kendi kafasına göre cümleyi kurduğu anlaşılıyor. Çünkü kaynaktaki bilgilerle uyuşmuyor. Takabeg (talk) 10:32, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cats from Van[edit]

Takabeg, I didn't the Armenian wikipedians about this, because I myself don't understand the difference between two. Coul you please explain?? Van Kedisi doesn't reffer to any Turkish wiki article, while Turkish Van refers to Van kedisi in Turkish wiki. What is this?? --Yerevanci (talk) 03:17, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

According to Turkish Wiki, this (all-white, heterochromia) is Van Kedisi, this (white with brown tail) is Turkish Van. Takabeg (talk) 03:30, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
But what if Van kedisi (all-white, heterochromia) directs to Turkish Wiki article of this cat, which is according to you the Turkish Van?? This is nonsense. --Yerevanci (talk) 14:39, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In the article tr:Van Kedisi, Turkish Van is referred in the section "Kavram Kargaşası" (confusion of concept). Not only "according to me", in Turkey this is Van Cat. Takabeg (talk) 14:52, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, I didn't say it's only according to you. Anyway, I'm confused.--Yerevanci (talk) 16:00, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion[edit]

Hi Takabeg,

I am very fine thank you. How are you? I am glad that you are quite active on wikipedia. You asked my opinion about editing of the socks and I provided my opinion which is grounded in Wikipedia:Sock puppetry policy. If you think I am wrong about something, please let me know.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:05, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your interest. Takabeg (talk) 08:50, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Türkiye'de arkeoloji[edit]

  • Selam Takabeg. tr:Türkiye'de arkeoloji maddesindeki telif ihlali tespit ettiğim yerleri çıkardım. Kalan kısımlarda telif var mı? Şu an maddede bulunan telif ihlal linki çalışmıyor başka kaynaklardan baktım telif durumuna.--Reality006 (talk) 20:14, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Evet o link açmıyor. Büyük ihtimalle http://edebiyat.karabuk.edu.tr/arkeoloji/ sayfasındaki "tanıtım slaytı". Takabeg (talk) 21:32, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Same view[edit]

Dear User:Takabeg.It is good that we share the same views about Pahlavi clan.--Orartu (talk) 20:58, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We don't share [1] Takabeg (talk) 21:43, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
But look at here[2].Orartu (talk) 12:28, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Bu ne ? Takabeg (talk) 10:44, 3 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nesi ne?--Rapsar (talk) 11:52, 3 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Türkiye Cumhuriyeti Brezilya Büyükelçiliği Takabeg (talk) 11:56, 3 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Çorlu, "There is a Jewish community"?[edit]

Please elaborate more on the Jewish Community that you have added to the Çorlu article—i.e. when were they active? are they still in existence? etc. --Infestor (talk) 14:36, 3 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

About Çorlu, most of Jews moved to Istanbul in 1934. I'll enriched with info about Jewish communities. I roughly added info for a kind of Necessity. Otherwise some users removed/will remove category. Takabeg (talk) 14:41, 3 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

İzmir[edit]

Selam!
Burdaki sorunuza cevap!
Bence sadece 15 Mayıs olarak kalsın çünkü madde İzmir'e Yunanlıların o gün yaptığı çıkarmayı anlatıyor. Normandiya çıkarması maddesindeki Omaha Beach, Utah Beach, Gold Beach, Sword Beach ve Juno Beach gibi. Ayvalık, Balıkesir... yani Ege sahilinin işgali için ayrı bir madde daha doğru olur. Mesela ingilizce vikideki Normandy landings sayfasındaki şablona bakarsanız sahil çıkartmaları ve arka alandaki operasyonlar/muharebeler ayrı maddeler. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.210.52.202 (talk) 15:44, 3 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Herzegovina[edit]

Can I merge Herzegovina Vilayet to the short lived provinces page? Not permanently but until we can find a little bit more about it?--eh bien mon prince (talk) 16:14, 3 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Selam[edit]

Selam Takabeg, ne var ne yok? PKK ile alakalı maddelerde denkleşmişiz yine :) --Khutuck (talk) 09:13, 4 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

İyiyim. Zazalar maddesine hiç baktın mı ? Takabeg (talk) 09:20, 4 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Bakmadım. Zazalar hakkında pek fazla bilgi sahibi değilim. Khutuck (talk) 09:43, 4 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oh my Lord, am i'm dreaming or?... The main issue or majors matters for some peoples is to speaking on something that they don't know anything... Dressing articles on zazas or kurds is well, but if you don't speak and you don't understand at all this "zaza" lang, what to do? Really, unfortunatly all contributors on zaza's article dont know even 5-6 words of zazakî!
  • given exemples: on all aryans (or iranians) languages famillies... only kurmanjî and zazakî are ergatif tongs! only zazakî and kurmanjî got gender names (feminin/masculin), only zazakî and kurdmanjî got voyels "ê,u,'a,'e,'û", only kurmanjî and zazakî got consonns like "w, kh, qh, ph, rh,". But no "neutral" linguist in the world did develop those questions, so before telling soming on zaza or zazakî try to learn that lang. And stop saying pls as well "kurdish nationalism" which is getting untrue! --Alsace38 (talk) 15:31, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Template: POW[edit]

You do not need a source to explicitly state that someone is a "prisoner of war" to add this template, according to wikipedia rules: "This template is used to indicate commanders who were captured or surrendered in Infobox Military Conflict," and I am afraid we do not have different templates for insurgent leaders or army officers. For instance here POW is used for captured Iraqi-Kurdish Islamist insurgent commander Abu Abdullah al-Shafi'i while here it is used for captured Taliban commader Obaidullah Akhund and al-Qaeda commander Younis al-Mauritani, while here it is used for captured Palestinian (according Israelis) "terrorist" leader Ahmad Sa'adat. Therefore it is applicable for captured PKK commanders aswell, despite what your government may want to call them.Kermanshahi (talk) 11:36, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean "your government" ? I recommend you to avoid ethnocentric reaction. Takabeg (talk) 11:41, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Remember last time?[edit]

They told you trying to get the other editor banned to put your own point on the article is unacceptable. But as always you want to break wiki rules again...Kermanshahi (talk) 14:44, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Last time ? Takabeg (talk) 14:45, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Takabeg, Turkey – Kurdistan Workers' Party conflict maddesinde Öcalan ve Sakık'a POW denebilmesi için kaynak istemekte haklı mıyım? Herhangi bir çatışma sebebiyle hapsedilen herkes savaş esiri midir, Template:POW öyle duruyor sanki? Öcalan'ın savaş esiri olduğuna dair konsensüs var mıdır? Emin olamadım, fikir almak istedim. --Khutuck (talk) 17:40, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Either, stop acting like you're a moderator. You have no authority to warn me for anything. I can and will not let you destroy Kurdish-related articles on the forum. Kermanshahi (talk) 21:21, 9 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Who are destroying articles ? I know you are not neutral. That article is Kurdish-related article for you. But for me that is related with Kurds and Turkey. Takabeg (talk) 21:30, 9 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ofcourse I am not neutral, how can any human being sympathise with a regime that has killed over 3 million innocent people? But I do not let this affect my editing, I make sure the article is as neutral as possible, written in objective way and representing both sides of the view constantly. I don't value anything the Turkish regime has ever said, it's all a load of BS, still I filled the article with Turkish claims because that is my obligation as an editor. You however, have not edited constructuvely, merely attacked the article in a rage to defend Kemalism. You are also the editor trying to erase Kurdish names from geographical articles. I know the kind of racism the Kemalists preach, can't have it. And as an Iranian, I do not have any POV objectives towards the article, unlike you.Kermanshahi (talk) 21:47, 9 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunetly I don't care about you and your grudge against Kurds. We exist and our names will be heared. This is not Turkey, your regime's censorship does not apply here.Kermanshahi (talk) 21:55, 9 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not against Kurds. But I oppose to Kurdish nationalistic edits in Wikipedia. At same time, I oppose to Turkish nationalistic edits in Wikipedia. Both supporters of Turkish nationalism and Kurdish nationalism cannot understand neutrality. You can read personal attacks against me by User:Böri. He claims that I should be an anti-Turkist (Türk karşıtı). You claim that I should be an anti-Kurdist. This is approaches of extremists. That's all. Takabeg (talk) 22:03, 9 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Minorities in Greece[edit]

Hi. This may be of interest for you. Filanca (talk) 21:27, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sonra bakacam. Takabeg (talk) 05:13, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

İsmail Hakkı Berkok[edit]

  • Maddede ne sorunu var anlayamadım. Bu arada ilk defa duyuyorum bunu üste doğru taradım da bulamadım.--Reality006 (talk) 14:25, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Şu an sorun yok. Takabeg (talk) 14:31, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sorunun nedenini buldum. Vikilerde genel yenileme varmış. Türkçe Vikipedi'de şu an da birçok şey tam olarak çalışmamakta. 24 saate kadar normale döner muhtemelen.--Reality006 (talk) 20:44, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Türk Karşıtlığı[edit]

"Türklere karşı yazıyorsunuz." dedim ama "Hayır" diyemediniz! Wikipedia'yı kasıtlı olarak Türk karşıtı yazı yazmak için kullanıyorsunuz. Böri (talk) 14:38, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Six Armenian vilayets/provinces name conflict[edit]

Sir, please, again please answer to this question. What do you mean by saying "Six vilayets"??? It's just a random name. If you want I can give you at least 10 Western sources from early 20th century saying "Six Armenian provinces/vilayets" and none of them saying just "Six vilayets". And again, searching "Six vilayets" doesn't prove that it's a common name, as just saying "US invasion" for the 2003 events in Iraq, doesn't specify the fact.

Western politicians called it "Six Armenian vilayets/provinces" for a reason to emphasize the Armenian population of the area.--Yerevanci (talk) 00:23, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Le Grand Duc[edit]

Kütükçüm, Türkçe Vikide Le Grand Duc (Fransızca Viki, (Le Grand Duc reklamı) maddesini açacak kullanıcı var mı ? tr:Kullanıcı:Makedon, tr:Kullanıcı:Totenkopf division'a sorar mısın ? Takabeg (talk) 09:16, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

İkisi de bu aralar pek aktif değiller, ben açarım birazdan. Google translate idare eder sanırsam, "The parallel lives of Wulf and Lilya on the Eastern Front from 1943 to the defeat of Nazi Germany . Wulf, Member of the Luftwaffe , looks weary of the war taking place. Defining themselves as anti-Nazi, it is nevertheless an emeritus of the night hunting German. Lilya is a woman pilot of the Soviet Air Force . She will have to prove to get the controls of a fighter. In three albums, and Yann Hugault us share the destinies of these two people." Anlaşılır, Türkçeye buradan çeviririm. Khutuck (talk) 09:23, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merci. 1. Cilt: Gece Cadıları, 2. Cilt: Yoldaş Lilya, 3. Cilt: Wulf ve Lilya. Kapakları: es/288890277X/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=301061&s=books Tome 1, Tome 2, Tome 3 Takabeg (talk) 09:32, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Birde tr:Süleyman Adil Okuldaş (Eski Samsun milletvekili), Türk Parlamento Tarihi: TBMM - III Dömemi 1927-1931, III. Cilt'e göre, 1880'de İzmir'de doğdu. İzmir Yıldız Mahallesi 104-40-34 nüfusa kayıtlı....... Manastır Askerî İdadisine girdi. Burdan kendi isteği ile Mayıs 1986'da tasdikname alarak Adana İdadisine nakletti....... Okul arkadaşlığını ifade eden soyadı, Atatürk tarafından verildi. 21 Haziran 1939'da Ankara'da öldü. Asrî Mezarlıkta toprağa verildi. (and see Maliye Müfettişleri Derneği) Bildiğim kadarıyla sen de bu tür soyadlar ile ilgili hikayeleri seviyorsundur (Koptagel, Altay v.s.). Takabeg (talk) 09:47, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox[edit]

I made a mistake taking a wiki-break for a few days, thinking we had our differences sorted out. Then when I saw how you had wrecked the infobox and destroyed it, I could not sit idle any longer. This has nothing to do about POV, this is about simple facts. I will not allow you to ruin the infobox behind my back without talking to me about it. I have left all the constructive edits made to the infobox, only removed the mess and stuff which doesn't belong there. If you want to change the infobox, you will discuss this with me, because I am not backing down. I will continue to revert your edits until I die, or you manage to throw off the Turkish arrogance and come to an agreement.Kermanshahi (talk) 10:09, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Arbcomm and uninvolved user[edit]

Hi, as an uninvolved user can you make a comment on point 7 here: [3] --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 11:37, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A bande dessinée about the Falklands War[edit]

Je crois que vous devez traduire aucuns renseignements que vous voulez inclure dans ces articles anglais (sur en.wikipedia.org); par ex., "Bande dessinée" = "Comic strip" (ou "graphic novel" le cas echeant). Peut-être, ça c'est le problème... Vous pouvez mettre un "tag" avant le lien aussi pour indiquer une autre langue, par ex. (in French) = [French], etc., c'est utile pour les lecteurs... OttawaAC (talk) 10:03, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Kurdish names[edit]

Hi, I consider you a very neutral user. So what is wrong with having Kurdish names for Kurdish speaking cities in Turkey? You can see the same for Azeri names in Iran (Tabriz, Urmiya..). Also I wanted to point out that your name was mentioned in that off-line wikipedia list --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 21:48, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I use Kurdish alternative names in the cities that are related with Kurdish (for example you can see Ağrı). Some ethnocentric users try to put alternative names to provinces. I searches alternative names of provinces but I cannot find them at present. In Kurdish Wikiepdia, the word parêzgeh, but as long as I understand this usage is Wikipedia original. In short I seek precise alternative names. As long as I understand, ethnocentric users try to put names in their own languages into articles, even if they are wrong. I recommend you not to jump to conclusions and go to talk pages. Takabeg (talk) 21:57, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I mean please look here: [4] --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 21:50, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Okay thanks for the explanation. As per alternative names for provinces, I guess the best would be to look at books published in Kurdish. But this is hard harder to find. --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 22:00, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have any opinion on Talk:Ismail I#POV pushing edits. Takabeg (talk) 22:31, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merhaba, I have actually looked into primary texts on this issue [5]. It is important to use sources that are specialized towards the topic. That is for example a well established scholar talking about the Safavids is much better source than say a random authorless encyclopaedia. Or for example a book about a certain person is much better than a book that has only a paragraph about the person.

I'll show you some more non-specialized sources:

  • "In 1501, under their leader Ismail, the Safavids seized power in Tabriz, which

became their capital. Ismail was proclaimed shah of Iran."[6]

  • "The Safavids Ismail seizes Iran and Iraq and becomes shah of Persia 1501 "[7]
  • "The Safavid leader, Ismail, led an army of Turkoman tribesmen into

Iran and captured Tabriz; he proclaimed himself Shah of Iran and declared Shi'a Islam to be the state religion. "[8]

  • "Within a decade,the Safavids had conquered the rest of Iran"[9]
  • "After defeating the White Sheep Turkomans in 1502, he took the title of Shah of Iran"[10]
  • "After a period of disorder, the Safavid dynasty came to power after the they captured the city of Tabriz in 1501, making Persia independent. Their leader was

Ismail I who had himself crowned shah, or ruler" [11]

So all of these are not specialized sources (authors don't probably know Persian and the articles are not written specifically towards Safavids). However, the specialized sources are correct. The opinion of Safavid scholar Roemer is correct:

  • H.R. Roemer, The Safavid Period, in Cambridge History of Iran, Vol. VI, Cambridge University Press 1986, p. 339: "Further evidence of a desire to follow in the line of Turkmen rulers is Ismail's assumption of the title "Padishah-i-Iran" [12]

I have not seen a single evidence of Ismail calling himself Shah of Azerbaijan or Shah of Persia (although Shah-e 'Ajam is used). But in the actual Safavid manuscripts, "Padishah-i Iran" occurs and that is why Roemer uses this term. Furthermore, the opinion of Ottomans are relavent too:

  • "Iranian identity iii. Medieval Islamic period" in Encyclopedia Iranica[13]: "The Safavid kings called themselves, among other appellations, the “heart of the shrine of ʿAli” (kalb-e āstān-e ʿAli), while assuming the title of Šāhanšāh (the king of kings) of Persia/Iran". Quote 2: "Even Ottoman sultans, when addressing the Āq Quyunlu and Safavid kings, used such titles as the “king of Iranian lands” or the “sultan of the lands of Iran” or “the king of kings of Iran, the lord of the Persians” or the “holders of the glory of Jamšid and the vision of Faridun and the wisdom of Dārā.” They addressed Shah Esmaʿil as: “the king of Persian lands and the heir to Jamšid and Kay-ḵosrow” (Navāʾi, pp. 578, 700–2, 707). During Shah ʿAbbās’s reign (q.v.) the transformation is complete and Shiʿite Iran comes to face the two adjacent Sunni powers: the Ottoman Empire to the west and the Kingdom of Uzbeks to the east." . [14]
  • Note Azerbaijan was a province of Iran for the Safavids, but even if we lend credence to those random sources (no proof from primary sources), a period of 1-2 years is not sigificant. However, based on the primary sources (which are in Persian), they mention Padishah-e Iran (e.g. Tarix-e 'alem araay-e safavi) when he took Tabriz (even though he did not have all of Iran yet). The reason is that he continued the tradition of Uzun Hassan who had the same title.
  • Just a side note on the term Azerbaijan.
  • The other issue is the name of Azerbaijan. One must also be careful since the name "Azerbaijan" is not an ethnic name and only in the 20th century some people are trying to give it an ethnic meaning. Its actually a Persian word going back to Atropates. For example names like Iran, Kurdistan, Armenia, Baluchistan, Georgia etc. have sort of ethnic meaning in their root. But "Azerbaijan" simply goes back to old Persian "protected by the fire". The ethnonym "Azerbaijani-Turk" and then "Azerbaijani" was adopted in the 20th century [15] by the Turcophone speakers (although some orientalist sources used Aderbaijani Tatar in the 19th century). So consequently the term "Azerbaijani" is a 20th century concept and Azerbaijan in the 15th century or 10th or 5th century has no relationship to ethnicity, nor is it a citizenship or anything else for that matter. See some arguments here as well [16][17].
  • If you look at maps prior to the 20th century..Azerbaijan is NW Iran [18]. Indeed, at least 100+ maps of the Caucasus prior to the 20th century is found here and you won't find a single one with the name "Azerbaijan" . Rouben Galichian , "Historic Maps of Armenia: The Cartographic Heritage",I. B. Tauris (July 23, 2004)(pg 9-10:"In accounts and maps produced prior to 1918, the region of Iran called Azerbaijan or Aderbaijan(also known as Atropatene, which is the old version of Azerbaijan) has always been to the south of Arax(es) River, which is the border of Iran and Armenia today. ... This territory, prior to being called Azerbaijan, was called Albania (Arran), which included the various khanates (khan's districts) of Derband, Shirvan, Daghestan, Talish, Shusha and Moghan" [19].
  • It is true that few sources (sometimes in Safavid era) extend the definition of Azerbaijan to Caucasus but these are extremly minor (and no maps that do so) relative to those that separate it from Shirvan and Arran. There are also some maps and sources that mention modern territory of Azerbaijan republic as part of Armenia, Lezghinistan and etc, but again these are minority. A historian would always go with the bulk, and in this case, the definition of Azerbaijan historically was not applied to the Caucasus (best illustrated by the fact that out of 100+ maps, not a single one has it). I also have an Ottoman map of Iran and the territory of modern Azerbaijan republic is Sharvan/Karabagh.


  • Unfortunately most users are not aware (or some do it on purpose to push POV) that specialized sources about a topic from scholars specializing in the field have the most importance. --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 05:14, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. As long as I understand, on the one hand, most of Integrative nationalists of Iran (sometimes they are Persian nationalists) automatically reject the name "Azerbaijan". On the other hand, Azerbaijani nationalists use the name "Azerbaijan" for the wrong purpose. The name Azerbaijan was not so new (Azerbaijan). Takabeg (talk) 05:29, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. Actually it is alittle different than what you think. The name "Azerbaijan" is old.. It goes back to 2200 years ago eventually. It is an Iranian language name [20]. However it is not an ethnic name (like say Kurdistan or Armenia). It simply means "protected by the fire" or "place of the fire". Like Konya, Isfahan, Tehran or etc. which are not ethnic names. The adoption of the name "Azerbaijani-Turk" and then "Azerbaijani" as an ethnic name is a 20th century phenomenon [21]. That is before the 19th/20th century, the term "Azerbaijani" had no ethnic meaning. Even by the Safavid era, it was not fully Turcophone yet [22][23] (see old Iranian language called Azari). For example, Turkey in Safavid texts is usually called "Rum" but the people were now mainly Muslims not Greeks. So the name (Azerbaijan) is much older than the formation of the actual present group. Its parralel would be if Turkey is still called Rum (although Rum has ethnic connotations but Azerbaijan simply means place of fire). The names root goes back to 2nd century B.C. while the ethnic group was formed around 13th-15th century, and adopted the name "Azerbaijani" in the 20th century. ""Speaking of the Azerbaijan culture originating at that time, in the XIV-XV cc., one must bear in mind, first of all, literature and other parts of culture organically connected with the language. As for the material culture, it remained traditional even after the Turkicization of the local population. However, the presence of a massive layer of Iranians that took part in the formation of the Azerbaijani ethnos, have imposed its imprint, primarily on the lexicon of the Azerbaijani language which contains a great number of Iranian and Arabic words. The latter entered both the Azerbaijani and the Turkish language mainly through the Iranian intermediary. Having become independent, the Azerbaijani culture retained close connections with the Iranian and Arab cultures. They were reinforced by common religion and common cultural-historical traditions."("“History of the East” (“Transcaucasia in XI-XV centuries” in Rostislav Borisovich Rybakov (editor), History of the East. 6 volumes. v. 2. “East during the Middle Ages: Chapter V., 2002. – ISBN 5-02-017711-3. http://gumilevica.kulichki.com/HE2/he2510.htm). Of course there is further confusion since the actual ethnic group is called "Azeri" but in wikipedia for what I believe are political reasons, "Azerbaijani" is used so that the name of the country "Azerbaijan" coincides with the ethnic name.

  • see the comments in the footnotes here:

[24] quote: "Throughout, "Azeri" will refer to those who are ethnically Azeri, such as an " Azeri women" or an "Azeri-populated village." "Azerbaijani" will refer to organizations connected with the Republic of Azerbaijan,"

  • Svante E. Cornell, "Azeraijan Since Independence", M.E. Sharpe, 2010. "The term "Azeri", used mostly by foreigners has come to possess a narrower, ethnically based meaning whereas the term "Azerbaijani" is understood to refer to residents within the territory of Azerbaijan, embracing the country's entire population" (You can google book this portion. Note Cornell is biased source in my opinion but what he says seems accurate here).

In reality I believe that it is part of the assimilationist policy to use the term "Azerbaijani" since many non-Azeri ethnicities would not feel that the name belongs to them. In Wikipedia I also think "Azerbaijani" should be changed to "Azeri" or "Azeri-Turk". --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 05:42, 12 October 201(UTC) To summarize: "Name of Azerbaijan is old and ultimately traces back to 2300/2200 years ago, the ethnicity Azeri-Turkish was formed around 14th century through amaglation of Iranian and Turkish groups, and the actual ethnonym "Azerbaijani" adopted by the group is a 20th century phenomenon although some Russian orientlists used Aderbaijani Tatar in the 19th century". --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 05:47, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

About the title "Azerbaijani people", I think we have to change,

Because of these problems, I had to create strange but essential categories such as Category:Ethnic Azerbaijani people, Category:Ethnic Turkish people etc...

But it's easy for us to imagine that many Azeri users will oppose to this proposal, because Azeris are categorized as "Azerbaijanlılar", Meskhetian Turks as "Türkler" in the census of the Republic of Azerbaijan. It's difficult for them to accept naming and concept except ones of their own state. Takabeg (talk) 06:07, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you but we have experts source distinguishing the two. --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 14:06, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to end edit warring[edit]

I don't know if you like edit wars, but I don't really. Now instead of continuing blindly (as you are trying to do), I have decided to reach out to you one last time for the article's sake, and as a sign of good will. Now here is my proposal: we quit the personal attacks and POV accusations, we leave the article as it was, and we discuss every single point you want to change (and the name which I want to change), seperately (what do we want to change, why is that needed, why is it as it is, ect.), we both take in account what the other has to say and where we can agree on, until we reach a common agreement and can leave this issue behind us. So what do you say? Kermanshahi (talk) 15:03, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You must read Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources, Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:Civility, Wikipedia:No personal attacks again. Takabeg (talk) 15:06, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So I take it that you reject my proposal and want to continue edit warring?Kermanshahi (talk) 18:09, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have given you a chance to negotiate/discuss every one of the points you want to bring across and I am not even saying I will reject it, I am willing to compromise as much as you are, simple as that. If you reject and continue in the same path, I will start reverting the article back to how it was before you first touched it. I don't know what you are playing at buddy, but I'd try to resolve this if I were you 'cause the way it is now nothing can be done by either of us, since this has become an edit war in which neither of us is backing down. If you refuse any reasonability, I will continue to revert your edits until the day that I die.Kermanshahi (talk) 18:16, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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About inappropriate block[edit]

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{{subst:You were editwarring. You have been told not to editwar in the past. The block was fully appropriate. You are also exactly as guilt of kermanshahi of nationalist POV pushing. Clear decline. In the future don't editwar.}} ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 21:43, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Maunus is not neutral in these issues. We can understand when we read Talk:Meskhetian Turks and this message. Even if User:Maunus tried to made constructive proposal, it's very clear he/she felt sympathy to User:Kermanshahi's attempts (for example, see: Talk:Diyarbakır Province). I want reviews of neutral administrators who know and understand problems of both Turkish nationalism and Kurdish nationalism in Wikipedia. Takabeg (talk) 21:57, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Takabeg sorum var[edit]

Selam takabeg, PKK ve Kurdistan destekçisi maddeleri özendirici ve destekleyici yazmak için ücret alıyormusun bu örgütlerden? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.58.209 (talk) 22:10, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Graduates of the Turkish Military College[edit]

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Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Graduates of the Ottoman Military College[edit]

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Bu kullanıcı, Vikipedi'nin politik propaganda amaçlı kullanılmasını şiddetle reddeder. Kendinle çelişmişsin be takabeg. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.58.209 (talk) 18:13, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Turkish invasion of Cyprus[edit]

I believe this article currently suffers from a lack of neutral point of view taking into consideration recent edits in it. I thought, perhaps as an old editor to it, you may want to present your arguments on current disputes. --Anapad (talk) 20:42, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ashkolsun[edit]

nerelere kayboldun be taka? senin yaptığını japon-çin artı çorumlu yapmaz. sadece arkadaşlığın, varolman bile yetiyordu. ama sen o türkçe vp yi olmıyacak ellere bırakıp gittin.. hiç olmazsa fecabookta arasıra görüyordum ki sevmem facebukusunu? levent — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.177.169.189 (talk) 23:02, 10 March 2012 (UTC) bi takım insanlar dolmus vikipediye: http://tr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vikipedi:K%C3%B6y_%C3%A7e%C5%9Fmesi_(ilginize)&oldid=10879101 meydan bunlara kalmamalı be ya! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.177.169.189 (talk) 23:14, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lüleburgaz[edit]

Thank you for your advertising in ca:Lüleburgaz about image. It's just arranged !.--MALLUS (talk) 11:53, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi[edit]

Hi Takabeg, good to see you back here! I came across your new uploads on commons, good stuff all of it!--eh bien mon prince (talk) 22:29, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Takabeg, you are invited![edit]

Maybe you can include some information on universities from your country? I have invted you, because one of the purposes of this new project is to share information about the universities in Southeast Europe.--Comparativist1 (talk) 16:40, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You are back?[edit]

Just now noticed you were back editing. It is good to see you here. --Defensor Ursa 04:24, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Arada bir. Genelde Commons'dayım. Takabeg (talk) 04:46, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Vilayet of the....[edit]

Hi. Wanted to engage with you about the renaming of the Vilayet of the Archipelago and Eyalet of the Archipelago that you did last year. I think it was generally right on. But, wouldn't "Vilayet of the Islands" be better. So to take your search evidence, if I do "Vilayet of the Archipelago", I get 18 hits. If I change that only to "Vilayet of the Islands" I get 569 hits. When I do Eyalet I get 3 for Archipelago and 4 for Islands. Just wondering what the thinking was behind Archipelago over Islands to make sure I don't mess up your great work. Thanks. Go ahead and respond here, I'll follow it. AbstractIllusions (talk) 17:57, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I'm half retired from English Wikipedia. You can apply to Wikipedia:Requested moves. Cheers. Takabeg (talk) 21:42, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

?[edit]

"emekliye ayrıldım?" bunu ummazdım işte. bu arada birkaç gün geç te olsa happy birthday to you! (malum en-wiki'deyiz..) Levent. 78.179.137.1 (talk) 19:06, 10 September 2012 (UTC) not:yanıtını mailime yazabilirsin.. 78.179.137.1 (talk) 19:12, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Selam Abi. Niye kullanıcı olarak girmedin ? Son günlerde (daha doğrusu aylarda) Commons'tayım. Vaktin var mı ? Orada yapılması gereken işlerimiz çox fazla. Takabeg (talk) 21:44, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Greek landing at Smyrna[edit]

The article Greek landing at Smyrna has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

There is an article on Greek occupation of Smyrna. No need for this one. If there is anything important (not that I can find) inside this article may be saved and added to the other.

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Request of deletion[edit]

Takabeg, I requested detion of the article Greek landing at Smyrna. I understand you are one of the main creators of that article; thus I inform you. The reason is there is a more comprehensive, although with a controversial edition at present, article under the title Greek occupation of Smyrna. All the best.

Takabeg, selamlar. Bana burada veya kendi konuşma sayfamda cevap verebilecekken kişisel bir konuşmayı maddenin tartışma sayfasına "every user except you (knows)" gibi ifadelerle taşımanızı doğrusu biraz yadırgadım zira bu tutum nezaketle bağdaşmıyor. O nedenle de biraz üzüldüm. Hoşçakalın. --E4024 (talk) 11:34, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Euphrates[edit]

Hello, what were you trying to do with your edit to Euphrates? It already contained Category:Euphrates and there is no need to add an interlanguage link to the current language version of the page (from English to English in this case). Graham87 02:28, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I've just confuse that page with the page on Commons. Takabeg (talk) 03:43, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Turkish wikipedia[edit]

Hi I usually respect Turkish wikipedia as there are many good user there who try not to falsify history. However, the article on Suhrawardi (the philosophers) contains some distortions . --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 05:46, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Since you are back.... :-)[edit]

What is your opinion concerning the result section in a battle template? I am in a discussion at the Battle of Jamrud article. One of the editors is stating that since Army A did not achieve its objectives then it is a victory for the Army B. Whereas there are, at least, two university sources stating that the battle was a victory for Army A.

Don't we have to provide sources for the result section in the battle template? --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:16, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

your vandalism is reported[edit]

it is a source of columbia university. and columbia university is a scietifical source. here more about zazaki and other kurdish languages:

http://www.hennerbichler.info/-kurdish-complex-.html

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/325225/Kurdish-language

Encyclopaedia britanica is a better source than your personal opinion.

indeed that is an actual discussion. it is not your right to decide that, i did already report against your vandalismSagapane (talk) 20:50, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean my vandalism ? It was serious problem, because you posted copyrighted and propagated map as a free media to Commons. Takabeg (talk) 22:52, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]


columbia university allowed using this information to NON COMMERCIAL reasons. and you say columbia university and encyclopaedia britannica are propaganda? hehehehehe

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/325225/Kurdish-language

http://orvillejenkins.com/peoples/kurds.html


a serious problem? aha, scientifical sources and evidences are a serious problem for you? plrease keep your personal mind for yourself, wiki is a forum for ALL scietifical sources, if you like or not. thank you Sagapane (talk) 22:59, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As long as I understand, you didn't read WP:NOT, WP:COPYRIGHT, WP:NPOV etc.. I recommend you to read them. Cheers. Takabeg (talk) 23:23, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

and as long as I understand, your problem is not copyright, but personal opinion about zaza. i respect your mind and you should do the same. wiki is a forum for all scietifical views. if you like it or not, it is not relevant. please stop propaganda! I have enough resources for my map. Sagapane (talk) 23:33, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Our (most of all wikipedians) problems are both WP:COPYRIGHT, and WP:NPOV. I oppose to all kind of ethnocentric propaganda (Kurdish, Turkish, Zazaish etc.). That's all. Takabeg (talk) 23:45, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

it is not our job to judge about scientifical sources as ethnocentric. encyclopaedia britannica and columbia university have NO interesst in thin question. this map is a scieticifal source. you can agree that or not. Sagapane (talk) 23:51, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]


I see you speak turkish: http://www.zazaki.net/haber/munzur-cem-zazalar-kurttur-52.htm

..Sagapane (talk) 00:08, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I know POSs of www.zazaki.net (Kurdish nationalistic approach) and www.zazaki.de. Takabeg (talk) 02:19, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

www.zazaki.net is from zaza people themselves. and encyclopaedia britannica is made by kurdish nationalists? ehehe, funny you better keep your personal mind about zazaki.net for yourself. zazaki.net is from zaza intellectuals. anyway, the question here is not zazaki.net but the fact that it is not allowed to delete scientifical sources. if you agree or not, it would NEVER change anything about that. Sagapane (talk) 13:47, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

if you are interessted to control nationalistic propaganda in wikipedia. i would suggest to see this site:

http://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azərbaycan_türkləri

what is "besre körfezi" ?? that is persian gulf. and not "besre körfezî" thank you Sagapane (talk) 21:33, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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