User talk:Somno/Archive 3

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Joy

Looking at your recent contribs and cf'ing them with mine - such a drag - the slog of beating off the hordes - well done anyways Satu Suro 03:56, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

It's what I do when I can't be bothered writing stuff. :) Somno (talk) 08:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

If you like eccentric referencing - check out Ten Pound Poms for a great variant on standard usage :( Satu Suro 09:38, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes it would be good - try something like either the americas cup in wa art or licensing plates or something in oz -im about to be off for a while so enjoy! cheers Satu Suro 06:43, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Gulfton

I began the improvements - I'm not finished yet, but I already added and removed sections and added information as per your suggestions :) WhisperToMe (talk) 16:47, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Cool, looks good so far. Just noticed something though - make sure you avoid one sentence paragraphs where possible, because good articles need to follow the Guide to layout. :) Somno (talk) 03:54, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

The Muppets' Wizard of Oz

Somno, it appears you did the GAN review for The Muppets' Wizard of Oz. Would you mind taking a look at the discussions I initiated on the article's Talk page regarding sources? I'm concerned that many of the sources do not support the statements to which they're attached. Some of the issues appear to have been raised by you during the review, but may not have been adequately addressed by the article's editors. If I'm missing or misinterpreting something, feel free to let me know. Thanks for your input and time.
Jim Dunning | talk 12:30, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi JimDunning. The GA review for this article was a little frustrating, because some issues I brought up were dismissed, only to be brought up repeatedly in subsequent peer and FA reviews (reliable sources, whether DVD prices should be included and so on). I agree with you about sources - I didn't check that each one backed up what it cited, just a couple of them, and that they all worked. The article has definitely improved, but it would improve further if the feedback provided by reviewers was embraced and incorporated. I support all you've brought up on the article's talk page and will comment there shortly. Somno (talk) 02:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I noticed that as well as I reviewed the peer review and FAC discussions. Many of the recommendations that the article's editor(s) claimed were accepted and executed were, in fact, never done. After I raised the initial source questions I did a more thorough review and found that substantial portions of the article are unsupported by the attached cites. So much so, that many statements probably are WP:OR. Not on a grand scale, certainly, but many statements may have been "loosely" written to make the prose interesting and to fill in "gaps" between supported statements. OR nonetheless. Unfortunately, once you remove those phrases, the quality of the writing suffers and the information content is noticeably diminished. That's why I raised the question of reassessment with you. Also, I'm fearful Limetolime may take my crticisms personally (as any of us might when it comes to an article in which we've invested a lot of effort). I've tried to tactfully (and gently) raise these concerns on his Talk page, but I fear that the volume of issues may make it appear I'm landing on his work with both feet. Let's see what happens.
Jim Dunning | talk 17:55, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

The number of issues is a little worrying, but you're just trying to improve the article. My concerns are the Future developments section, DVD prices and ratings boxes being re-added without discussion and the tendency for the article to be owned by one editor. Somno (talk) 02:04, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

GA

Thanks for reviewing Old Stone House (Washington, D.C.). Let me know where improvements can be made and I'll correct them ASAP. Cheers. APK ^{yada yada} 03:14, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow, you're quick! I'm just reviewing it now, but I can tell you already that it's very close to GA and any suggestions should be easy to implement. :) Somno (talk) 03:18, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Gracias. I'm quick because I spend waaaay too much time on this site. Where's my WikiPaycheck? Jimbo owes me overtime! :-) Anyway, as mentioned on the article's talk page I'm not feeling well (fever and nausea are never fun), but will try to work on it when possible over the next day or so. Cheers. APK ^{yada yada} 04:58, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I've worked on improvements, but there is still one issue explained here. When I first wrote the article I spent 2 hours trying to find the origin of the house's name! I thought that would be one of the easiest things to find. bangs head on wall LOL. Cheers. APK ^{yada yada} 09:12, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

River Oaks, Houston, Texas

I see you've tagged this article for review. I took a brief look at it, and unfortunately, it's nowhere near meeting the GA criteria. Probably start-class at best. I added a few comments to it, but held off on failing so that you could add your comments. I guess if you wanna put it on hold, it's up to you, but there's so much work to do to get it up to standards, that failing and subsequent renomination is probably the better route at this point. Dr. Cash (talk) 19:49, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree, but I still want to properly review it and give the editor(s) my suggestions. Thanks :) Somno (talk) 00:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello Somno, I made some revisions to this article. Perhaps it is in better shape, but I look forward to your comments to improve the article. Thanks! Postoak (talk) 23:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Just reminder, but you tagged River Oaks, Houston, Texas with the GAreview tag several days ago. Have you completed your review comments yet? Dr. Cash (talk) 13:50, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes I have, I'll post the review tomorrow when I'm on the right computer. Thanks. Somno (talk) 14:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Review posted: [1] Somno (talk) 08:57, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello, I've added many of the recommended changes...guess were ready for the final review. Thanks, Postoak (talk) 23:21, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

G G-S

wow thats a good art - I knew him and knew his son quite well having lived v close by - thanks for that - cheers! Satu Suro 05:01, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Never heard of him myself, but that hasn't stopped me from creating biographies before! :) Somno (talk) 07:22, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Problem with personal acquaintances - memory is one thing - and sufficient refs/cites to back up ones memories is another :| Satu Suro 10:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Joel Selwood Peer Review

Hi, thanks for the taking the time to provide a peer review for the Joel Selwood article. Much appreciated. Boomtish (talk) 09:32, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. I agree with Mattinbgn that the article could benefit from an outsider's review too - the football terms that make sense to us mightn't make sense to them. Congrats with what you've done with this article and Tom Hawkins, both are great. Somno (talk) 14:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

GAN work

Have some kudos; you're doing great! dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 08:53, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, that means a lot. I'm trying my best. :) Somno (talk) 08:57, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Gulfton

I took your advice, so I turned several one sentence paragraphs into two sentence or more paragraphs. - I found more detail on the fire department and the parks. Once I have more material I will re-nominate. I think it's close to being a GA. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:55, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Excellent. Don't give up, it'll get there. :) Somno (talk) 03:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I renominated the article after finding more information WhisperToMe (talk) 18:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Portal

It may be me but i didnt think that news in the west constituted a linkable item from the portal - I may well be very wrong but I thought it might link to a section of our articles - rather than outside wikiedpia Satu Suro 10:54, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

That's what I thought at first too, but a look at the archives, and the lack of specifics in the portal guidelines led me to believe otherwise. The ideal would be to link to relevant items on Wikinews, but that's hopeless ([2]) and I didn't want to commit myself to updating Wikinews! :) Somno (talk) 15:42, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Gawd - youre brave - some prefer to be more neutral and ambiguous - take care with that level of exposure :| - I mean I prefer landscapes for my own ambiguity - cheers and well good luck :| Satu Suro 03:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I just got sick of being referred to as male. I'm not a fan of the "this user is female" userbox, and I wasn't putting up a photo to maintain some level of anonymity, so that's my compromise. I'm far from an artist, so the sketch only vaguely resembles me. :) Somno (talk) 03:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Well youre amongst an excellent group of oz eds of your gender - I would say overall more helpful, more steadily productive and more considerate than the majority of the lot that i belong to :| Satu Suro 04:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Review:Sources of Islamic law

Hi, I found you're reviewing the article while there is GA tag on the the page. Unfortunately the article has some problems from technical viewpoint. I asked another Muslim wikipedian to tell us his viewpoint. Can you wait to discuss on it more.--Seyyed(t-c) 02:54, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

It's not a good article. I put it on hold. I'll change it back. Somno (talk) 01:38, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you. But please remove it from WP:GAN.--Seyyed(t-c) 01:51, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I can't do that because I've taken it to Good Article Reassessment, rather than simply delisting it. I think delisting straight away is too hasty and since another editor thought it passed GA criteria, reassessment is a better option as it encourages more reviews. If consensus is that it's not a Good Article, it will be delisted. Feel free to comment on the reassessment page. Somno (talk) 01:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Please write your idea about alternative lead which I've proposed[3].--Seyyed(t-c) 02:26, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I've addressed most of your concerns. Question: will you fail this article in one week if no decision is reached? If yes, please hurry in giving me back feedback. Thanks.Bless sins (talk) 06:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

No, this article's GA progress has been quite complicated, so I think more than a week is fine, as long as people are still working on the article. Somno (talk) 05:45, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I finished my work on the new lead. Please check it. --Seyyed(t-c) 01:55, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

America's Cup number plate

Hey, I just saw your photo find. Thanks muchly. Moondyne 09:56, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Whoops, forgot to reply to this. No worries - stumbled across it while searching Flickr for something else! Somno (talk) 00:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

semi

want me to semi-protect (i.e. IP-protect) your talk page for a month? Hesperian 00:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC) Say yes it works very well - have had it myself at times Satu Suro 00:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that would be good, thanks. I won't be doing any new page patrolling for awhile so it's unlikely any other anons will need to contact me. Andygradel could use the same protection. Somno (talk) 00:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Done. Hesperian 01:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we need protects from ones like that below as well :( Satu Suro 05:15, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

could you please do me a favor?

Hello,

I am a master student at the Institute of Technology Management, National Tsing Hua University, Taiwan. Currently I am wrapping up my master thesis titled “Can Wikipedia be used for knowledge service?” In order to validate the knowledge evolution maps of identified users in Wikipedia, I need your help. I have generated a knowledge evolution map to denote your knowledge activities in Wikipedia according to your inputs including the creation and modification of contents in Wikipedia, and I need you to validate whether the generated knowledge evolution map matches the knowledge that you perceive you own it. Could you please do me a favor?

I will send you a URL link to a webpage on which your knowledge evolution map displays. Please assign the topic (concept) in the map to a certain cluster on the map according to the relationship between the topic and clusters in your cognition, or you can assign it to ‘none of above’ if there is no suitable cluster.
I will also send a questionnaire to you. The questions are related to my research topic, and I need your viewpoints about these questions.

The deadline of my thesis defense is set by the end of June, 2008. There is no much time left for me to wrap up the thesis. If you can help me, please reply this message. I will send you the URL link of the first part once I receive your response. The completion of my thesis heavily relies much on your generous help.

Sincerely

JnW ^talk 05:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I am unable to help. Best of luck with your thesis. Somno (talk) 10:14, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Good point

it seems there are some bleeding obvious (john cleese style expression there) issues that jump up but we cannot really put in an art cos there are no refs for them - at least as far as i can ascertain - re the various agencies that are known to be related to the cause of the issue - however if you are gonna write the fllout/response to the issue - then there should be enough in the various online sources - as to the truth - hmph Satu Suro 01:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC) All-knowing Google has hundreds of news articles on the topic [4], so a decent article seems possible. I'm sure there are enough independent views to counteract the gov't spin. Somno (talk) 01:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

A plea

Somno, as you had replied many times on my talk page, could you please assist me with this article Maria Houkli. I've added the notes and the references and I need you to verify if the article is okay now and if that be the case, remove the tags above. Thank you. Clockwork84 (talk) 16:20, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

All sorted on Talk:Maria Houkli and User_talk:Clockwork84. Somno (talk) 08:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Western Australian gas crisis

Wow, thats the biggest and best single edit new article I've seen for a while. Good work and congratulations. Moondyne 11:28, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

In my case the biggest ever i have seen that has clearly pass on all V N RS - well done Satu Suro 12:24, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Lot of work went into that one. :) Somno (talk) 12:45, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

You might want to re-format the external links to the PR web pages - possibly the bolding dosnt work well :( Satu Suro 12:51, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Moondynes fixed it Satu Suro 14:20, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

TfD Unsourced-geodata...

Redundant - {{geofacti}} should be used inline in preference :) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:39, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Cool, that makes more sense to me than a huge template. :) Somno (talk) 14:04, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

After that brief snoop under henrietta's http://henrietta.liswa.wa.gov.au slip - i gotta get off - thanks for help Satu Suro

Me too, although there's more stuff in Factiva to extract later. That should be enough to save it from AFD. Somno (talk) 02:46, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Cheers and thanks - im henrietta exploiting to the fullest from my end Satu Suro 02:50, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks for your support here. – ukexpat (talk) 22:09, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK

LOL!. Draft beer? Moondyne 07:58, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Have to focus on the most important things in such a crisis! Somno (talk) 08:04, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

1995 and all that

well one wonders indeed - Satu Suro 06:01, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Didn't mean to suggest a conspiracy, just seemed like a strange thing to omit. :) Somno (talk) 06:13, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Nah hesp is quite right there is a potential BLP issue if there is inadequate refs available Satu Suro 06:16, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

No such thing as "inadequate refs" when Factiva's around. Somno (talk)

Heheh - well im not currently an enrolled student anywhere either so access to it is zilch Satu Suro 06:20, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

It's the only reason I'm still a student! OK, slight exaggeration, but I would be lost without access to it. Somno (talk) 06:23, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Have fun with the art I think I used to know the guy mentioned in the sunday times summary - ill be interested to see how you go with the art - interesting to think it got such wide coverage - a few other consulates in west perth about 15 or 20 years ago used to always have shady looking unmarked vehicles always parked outside them all the time Satu Suro 06:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

2008 Western Australian gas crisis

On 5 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article 2008 Western Australian gas crisis, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 01:11, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Finishing review of Sources of Islamic law

Hi, we've done our work and wrote the review.[5] The article apparently doesn't change anymore at this stage. Thus please finish the review.--Seyyed(t-c) 02:10, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Great, I will check it out when I have some time to give it the attention it deserves (possibly in 10-12 hours or so). Somno (talk) 00:53, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Just quick notification: I haven't forgotten, I just haven't had the time yet to look at it properly. Somno (talk) 09:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Frogs on the hill

Looks fine - i tend to balk at blocks of text like that and i like headings for toc purposes but others tend to try to reduce em - so there you have it - what has constituted events such as this in oz history would have made me edit the earlier version of the lead para - but it reads fine now - well done! also when you do your multiple messages - moondyne is well worth cc'ing to as well - he has a very good eye for that sort of article - cheers Satu Suro 05:12, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I like headings too, but I didn't bother as I thought it was going to be a few paragraphs, and then I was in a hurry so I just posted it. I'm going to try reorganising it how Hesperian suggested, or at least fix up the lead and put in a couple of headings. Didn't think of Moondyne in this instance, just those who'd commented on the talk page (another side effect of hurrying!). Thanks, Somno (talk) 07:12, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Eleventh He Reaches London

Have done some edits to the article and added a series of references - before I remove the prod, wnat you to have a look and let me know your thoughts. Dan arndt (talk) 03:43, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

The article looks a lot better, but I'm still not convinced the band meets WP:MUSIC. Most of the references would be classed as trivial or non-reliable (e.g., one's a forum), they've only toured locally or as a support band, haven't won any major awards or charted on a national music chart. What do you think? By the way, apologies for distracting you from articles about notable buildings back to articles about music! Somno (talk) 09:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

That's alright am easily distracted - in respect to ETRL they have toured nationally with performances in the eastern states and recieved national airplay for some of their songs (maybe a bit on the weak side of notability) but better than some others. Dan arndt (talk) 02:15, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, their claim to notability does seem a little weak, but I'll let it go for now. :) Somno (talk) 03:57, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

marginality

There are some atrociously close to the edge of WP:N items around - and hey yes the magazine one is close to being not adequately N - the 78s arts hung in through delete votes - and the irony is the issues with such is that some arts and stubs stay untouched while others attract fierce afd procedures - there is no justice - Satu Suro 01:49, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I wish notability weren't so grey sometimes. I visited 78s every weekend many years ago and it bothers me that the article's so bad. I don't actually think I've ever checked Factiva for info though - I should do that sometime. Oh, and Google is always the first place I check. Perhaps the only thing you'll find redeeming is that it's usually not also the last place! ;) Somno (talk) 06:35, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

As a good cf against the oggle obsessed i try clusty - and oz libraries (http://librariesaustralia.nla.gov.au/apps/kss) if its do with published items - brilliant as a last resort to prove zilch N for something re published items Satu Suro 06:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

GAN: Sources of Islamic law

Hi. This is just a reminder that it has been over 30 days since you placed the good article nomination for Sources of Islamic law on hold. If the article does not yet meet the GA criteria, you may wish to contact the nominating editor. Thank you for your help. Best, epicAdam (talk) 20:07, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, yes I know. I'm getting to it! :) It's a long article that needs a lot of time to review, and I'm pretty sure it will pass GA so it will be worth it in the end. Somno (talk) 00:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Help needed

As I dont have access to factiva i was wondering... if I could ask for some help for a possible set of refs against an article that i had to abandon some six months ago ? Satu Suro 08:03, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Yep, no worries. What's the article? Somno (talk) 08:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Its up to you - she used to use Reid LIbrary when she was in Perth many moons ago - the article is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Livia_Julian_Brawn problem was i could find few reasonable refs when i was in sydney watching over my war of warcraft sons' allnighters last january - just kept hitting dead ends - and havent been back to the article since - it would be great to move it beyond the rather skeletal stage - but hey no obligation - it might be an odd subject - but she was a friend a very long time ago Satu Suro 08:10, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Not bothered if you are not interested for any reason - just the recent conversation about factiva reminded me that there might be reviews of books etc which i otherwise have diffs in finding easily - no big deal either way - it was just a thought Satu Suro 08:15, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Factiva has a heap of info about the Anna Livia Dublin International Opera Festival... so far the only article about the woman herself is the same Guardian one linked to in the article. I'll keep looking Somno (talk) 08:22, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Also an Anna Livia airport lounge and radio station... Somno (talk) 08:24, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Problem is that annas parents decided to name her after the first words in a james joyce novel and there are doppelgangers and echoes around the net like something out of doctor who - theres an anna livia in every nook and cranny - but her original pen name was anna livia - and boy what a google mess that is Satu Suro 08:27, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

sure that her mother is still here in perth somewhere but didnt contact at the time of annas death - had lost contactSatu Suro 08:29, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

My list of boolean "NOT"s keeps growing. Will get there eventually. Somno (talk) 08:31, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to drop it if its problem - in january i was trying by the book names rather than her name - in the case that oggle or clusty had anythng - as I was getting notability issues (with a publication list like that!) hints from other eds - I wasnt sure where to hunt for reviews or arts - but hey maybe i need to return to reid or murdoch uni libraries and try what i can find from their databases - hope i hvent caused a problem - im off for a while now - thanks for offering anyways Satu Suro 08:36, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I have found a couple of articles related to Berkeley, so it's not hopeless. Will check other databases too just in case. Somno (talk) 08:39, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Prod tags

Hi Somno; When I saw that the articles creator had removed the tags, I took a look at google search and saw that those articles, Troy Thirdgill and Max Dolcelli, are about non notable people and I reverted the edits. Well, thanks for the advice, I really thought that the article creator could not remove the tags. Caiaffa (talk) 04:46, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

No worries, I thought that too until someone told me. I've speedy tagged one of the articles (not sure why I didn't do that initially) and AFD'd the other here. :) Somno (talk) 04:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Ena (EP)

As I said to Gnangarra, Naahorus is pretty notable in the brazilian underground Avant Garde scene and I have provided you links with reviews online and news on third party websites. What exactly is the criteria for notability? No matter what it is, removing this arcticle won't help to make this band "notable". (Karlsanders (talk) 05:01, 28 July 2008 (UTC))

Hi Karlsanders, you may like to refer to the notability standard for musicians and music. It explains the criteria for notability and may help you to either edit the article to show it meets the criteria, or understand why it may be deleted. Somno (talk) 05:04, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

You also need to outline your reason for opposing the deletion at this page, as it's aimed at all editors, not just me. Hope that helps. Somno (talk) 05:06, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Haidee Granger

No, no..I did not write all that praising on Haidee Granger. That came from her brokerage firm's website. Much of the wording that was out of context for encyclopedic inclusion was going to be altered by me in the next day. It's always amazing how other editors find my new pages within minutes of my starting them! Your edits, however, removed too much factual information, so much of my version of the article will be returning. Also pay close attention to dates..you left a paragraph implying that Ms. Granger was fired from Loving in October 1992, when it was actually October 1993. Just thought i'd let you know. -numbaonestunna —Preceding unsigned comment added by Numbaonestunna (talk • contribs) 05:35, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

That makes sense - they did seem out of place with your other edits (I checked your contributions expecting you to be an single purpose account and was pleasantly surprised :). Feel free to add back any factual info taken out, as long as it complies with the neutral point of view policy. I'm sure you're already aware, but copying and pasting isn't the best idea, especially from a non-neutral source. I start articles either in my sandbox or in Word to avoid others pouncing (it does feel like pouncing sometimes!) on the article before I'm ready. Regards, Somno (talk) 06:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Karen Wheaton page

Somno: Thank you so much for erasing the absurd things that were written on my mom's page. I will read over the conflict of interest to see what you are talking about, but i was wondering if there is any way to lock a page so that the vandalism doesn't continue. We are in the process of having a bio written specifically for this Wikipedia page and once that is posted, would really like it to remain unedited. I know you can lock the page, i just don't know how. Thank you for your help! Lauren Wheaton BentleyChimelel (talk) 04:36, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Chimelel. There's no way information like that should stay in an encyclopedia article, so I was happy to remove it. However, if someone was to add information about Ms Wheaton that was unflattering or negative, that is OK as long as it is referenced to reliable sources and written in a neutral point of view (positive information is held to the same standards too). For example, if a reliable source was found that mentioned Ms Wheaton's first marriage, that information could be added to the article, regardless of whether you or your mother want it added. That's where conflict of interest comes up - the interests of the encyclopedia take priority over your (and Ms Wheaton's) personal interests. Have a read of the conflict of interest page for more information.

Pages can be "locked" (it's called "protected" in Wikipedia) to stop others editing, but only in specific circumstances set out in the protection policy. Unless there was frequent vandalism or edit warring on an article, it's unlikely to be protected (and even then, it's usually only temporary). The main philosophy of Wikipedia is that anyone can edit anything, and protecting pages goes against that.

In regards to your bio specifically for Wikipedia, I suggest you post it to your user page first (e.g. at User:Chimelel/Karen Wheaton. Ask some editors to take a look at it and make sure it's suitable. I'm happy to do this for you if you like. You need to make sure the new article uses verifiable, reliable sources and is written in a neutral way. If you need any help or further explanations, please contact me. Somno (talk) 05:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I will definitely look over the conflict of interest and when we get the bio finished, I would love for you to take a look. Thanks again!Chimelel (talk) 21:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Opinions wanted for Geelong Football Club

Hi Somno, I am trying to improve this article. I'm thinking of tearing down most of the History section and starting over. I see you've also noticed the barracky way much of it is written, and I'd be thankful for some input on how it should be done better. Cheers, Reyk _YO! 08:19, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Haha, I was going to message you today saying I was admiring your work so far! Good catch with the "1000th goal for the season" Gary Ablett allegedly had. He was great, but not quite that great. More on the article talk page. Somno (talk) 14:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Jimmy O'Connor

(Moved from here)
I didn't appreciate your "editing" of my article on Jimmy O'Connor - Author. This man was my grandfather. It should be MY decision what should be in the article. Not you, who never knew the man. Jim O'Connor—Preceding unsigned comment added by Orion2004 (talk • contribs)

Welcome to Wikipedia, where every editor is free to edit every page, regardless of whether they knew the person. I took the time to cleanup your article so it met Wikipedia's manual of style, was wikified, had an infobox and persondata and read better.[6] As it said on the page when you created your article, "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed for profit by others, do not submit it."

It seems you haven't read the links I provided in the welcome template on your talk page, so I suggest the most important for you are conflict of interest (about editing a relative's article), Ownership of articles (where it's stated nobody "owns" any article) and Etiquette (about working collaboratively with other editors). Regards, Somno (talk) 04:48, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Unprofessional Editor

Why do you feel it necessary to start into a battle? I've restored some of the information I believe is interesting. My article was not self-promoting and frankly quite impartial. Now you're messaging me about everything I do on this article. Are you employed by Wikipedia? Why have you felt it obligatory to start targeting me? Orion2004 (talk) 05:14, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Orion2004. My aim is to avoid a battle - I'm trying to help. That's why I made those changes in the first place - to improve the article and help Wikipedia. I'm sorry you feel I'm targeting you, I'm not. I'm just trying to help you understand how the encyclopedia works. An article should be focused on its subject, not drift into interesting but irrelevant material. This is an encyclopedia, not a family biography. Does that help you understand? Somno (talk) 05:22, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, again, I point you towards the Wikipedia etiquette page, and also Civility. Other editors are not out to get you, the encyclopedia is a collaborative effort that involves working with other people. Somno (talk) 05:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I've just gone over the Conflict with editor page. I think you need to take a closer look at this page regarding your own actions. As advised by the article, I am walking away from this, and wish no further contact from you. I strongly suggest you do the same. Orion2004 (talk) 05:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, but I'm already familiar with that page. Take the time away from the article to read more policies and familiarise yourself with how the encyclopedia works. If you have any questions when you've cooled down, feel free to ask me or another editor. Somno (talk) 05:35, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

You just keep it going. I'm am no longer asking, I am telling you to go way and leave everything related to the article alone. I've just about had it with you.Orion2004 (talk) 07:41, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I've left a note on Orion2004's talk page about article ownership. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 07:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, hopefully that will help. I don't appreciate my good faith comments to the article talk page being blanked, but he can do whatever he likes with his user talk. Somno (talk) 08:07, 30 July 2008 (UTC)