User talk:Socko123
Concern noted, please see WP:HORSE. On a side note: Welcome! Any helpful contributions you make to Wikipedia will be highly appreciated. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 05:56, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Also, WP:BDH contains some valid points regarding this concern... --Jayron32 06:15, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
My last attempt to explain this[edit]
OK. Lets try this again. IP adresses do not allow other users to know that they are dealing with a single person. It is inappropriate to delete the talk page comments from an IP address since no one knows if the person deleting the comments is the same as the person the comments were intended for. By creating an account, everyone knows that they are dealing with a single person. With an IP address, we don't know that. For this reason, it is inappropriate to delete the comments from an IP address talk page, even if you are currently logged in from that IP address. Furthermore, deleting comments from your own talk page is also considered bad form. Archiving comments when the page becomes too large to load is allowed, but removing valid good faith comments, even when they put you yourself in a bad light, could be considered disruptive. Some wikipedia policies, guidelines, and essays that you might want to read that deal with this issue: WP:WHY, WP:TALKPAGE, WP:USER. Consider this horse good and dead and well beaten. I will take no further swings at it. --Jayron32 06:31, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
From WP:USER:
- Ownership and editing of pages in the user space
- As a tradition, Wikipedia offers wide latitude to users to manage their user space as they see fit. However, pages in user space still do belong to the community:
- Contributions must be licensed under the GFDL, just as articles are.
- Other users may edit pages in your user space, although by convention your user page will usually not be edited by others.
- Community policies, including Wikipedia:No personal attacks, apply to your user space just as they do elsewhere. Article content policies such as WP:OR generally do not.
- In some cases, material that does not somehow further the goals of the project may be removed (see below), as well as edits from banned users.
- In general it is considered polite to avoid substantially editing another's user page without their permission. Some users are fine with their user pages being edited, and may even have a note to that effect. Other users may object and ask you not to edit their user pages, and it is probably sensible to respect their requests. The best option is to draw their attention to the matter on their talk page and let them edit their user page themselves if they agree on a need to do so. In some cases a more experienced editor may make a non-trivial edit to your userpage, in which case that editor should leave a note on your talk page explaining why this was done. This should not be done for trivial reasons.
- On a user's own talk page, policy does not prohibit the removal of comments at that user's discretion, although archival is preferred to removal. Please note, though, that removing warnings from one's own talk page is often frowned upon.
- As a tradition, Wikipedia offers wide latitude to users to manage their user space as they see fit. However, pages in user space still do belong to the community:
None of the above apply to user/talk pages of anonymous IPs. Again, no one will object to useful contributions or the removal of trivial talk page comments (read: not warnings). Repeated blankings and whining, however, only foster an impression of trolling. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 06:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- That is certainly a valid point, seeing as the mass of Wikipedia policy pages may appear convoluted and, at times, contradictory. There is a page which directly addresses this issue: Wikipedia:Why create an account? (more succinctly [1]) If you are unsatisfied, I suggest that you bring up your concern at Wikipedia talk:User page. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 07:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- I don't dictate or alter Wikipedia policy personally, but I do enforce it. Were you or were you not responsible for the vandalism contributed by 209.137.175.59 (talk · contribs)? If you were, then the block was certainly warranted as a preventative measure. If you were not, and this is a shared IP, then add {{sharedIP}} to the talk page. Most administrators, myself included, prefer to use soft blocks that do not prohibit account creation when there is any indication of a shared IP - and I would be happy to modify or suspend the block if that's the case. However, I must note that the block obviously did not interfere with your ability to create an account, so where are these positive contributions you warn of? ˉˉanetode╦╩ 15:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- I've unblocked 209.137.175.59 and tagged it with {{schoolIP}}. I'm sorry that you had an unpleasant experience, but both vandalism and repeated talk page blankings lead to blocks. If that IP continues vandalizing Wikipedia, I will place a {{schoolblock}} on it. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 20:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- I don't dictate or alter Wikipedia policy personally, but I do enforce it. Were you or were you not responsible for the vandalism contributed by 209.137.175.59 (talk · contribs)? If you were, then the block was certainly warranted as a preventative measure. If you were not, and this is a shared IP, then add {{sharedIP}} to the talk page. Most administrators, myself included, prefer to use soft blocks that do not prohibit account creation when there is any indication of a shared IP - and I would be happy to modify or suspend the block if that's the case. However, I must note that the block obviously did not interfere with your ability to create an account, so where are these positive contributions you warn of? ˉˉanetode╦╩ 15:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)