User talk:Shmaltz

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Orthodox Judaism

Hi again Shmaltz: Thought you would be interested in the latest adventure that has started at Wikipedia:WikiProject Orthodox Judaism (perhaps you may want to join) and the discussions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Orthodox Judaism. Shabbat Shalom. IZAK 12:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Re BMG: I hear, but I'm not so convinced that your conclussion is so straight forward so as to write that in an Encyclopedia...Phetter 15:21, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Ask anybody that went thru the process, it's up to his discretion, and *his* discretion *only*.--Shmaltz 15:49, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

א שיינעם דאנק

פאר דיין לייגן דא אינטערוויקיס צום יידישן וויקיפעדיע, דאס איז זייער וויכטיק אויף צו בריינגען דארט מער מענטשן און בארימען אונדזער וויקיפעדיע. Jiddisch 20:34, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Vote request

Please Vote, as per wiktionary the correct spelling is Wiktionary:anti-Semitic NOT Antisemitic. 70.49.85.238 20:54, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Chillul Hashem

In our politically correct society, the term "The Crazy House" would be considered a lack of sensitivity to the mentally challenged. I am sure it is not your intention to add to a stereotype of yeshivish people being haughty and unkind.

While I agree with you, it stil doesn't change the fact that it is called 'The crazy house' and as such I'm going to reverse it. Because the only reason you give is the C"H, you are admiting that you are writing false info in a Wikipedia article.--Shmaltz 04:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely not. I dispute that it is called the crazy house; I was merely calling your attention to the fact that the Original research that you insist on including in the article is a C"H. My friend, the burden of proof lies with you- do you have a verifiable source saying that a Beth Medrash Gevoha dormitory building is commonly called "the crazy house"? If you do, then by all means source it in the article. If not, then please do not include original research in Wikipedia. 38.117.213.19 23:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

You say that you dispute that it is called the crazy house, are you currently a student in BMG? I am, and it is called the crazy house. NOR is what you mean, and read it again, this doesn't qualify as original research, if anything I'm a primary source. I'm therefore reversing it.--Shmaltz 02:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

WP:NOR, baby. And if you are indeed a student at BMG, what on earth are you doing on Wikipedia? ;0) - crz crztalk 05:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Shmaltz, I will quote from wikipedia policy "Primary sources that have been published by a reliable source may be used in Wikipedia ". That means that your anectodal evidence is just that- unverifiable, and cannot be included in wikipedia. 38.117.213.19 06:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Again you are chosing what to write so that you can push your agenda. I will quote from that same policy: Primary sources are documents or people very close to the situation you are writing about. An eyewitness account of a traffic accident is a primary source. Since I'm a student I am a primary source.--Shmaltz 14:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Please familiarize yourself with wikipedia policy. What you have quoted is the definition of what a primary source is. However, if you continue reading the policy you will notice that the very next sentence says that "only primary sources that have been published by a reliable source may be used" in wikipedia. Since you have not provided any source quoting you, as of now your information is unverifiable and cannot be included.68.198.236.57 18:00, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

For your edification, I quote from another wikipedia policy, No Original Research,

"Citing oneself:

This policy does not prohibit editors with specialist knowledge from adding their knowledge to Wikipedia, but it does prohibit them from drawing on their personal knowledge without citing their sources. If an editor has published the results of his or her research in a reliable publication, then s/he may cite that source while writing in the third person and complying with our NPOV policy."

Good luck editing in the future, and remember to carefully read wikipedia policy. 68.198.236.57 18:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Read that policy again, it does NOT put a condition for being published somwhere if you are the person close to the situation. You are pushing an agenda with false information which in wikipedia means vandalism. To do that you had to add a word to the policy you added the word Only which is NOT present in the policy. The second policy you quote about (which is actuly the same as the first) is only when someone is acting from his knowledge, thats not what I'm doing, I'm a person close to the situation because I'm a student at BMG and thats what we call that building every time we refer to it, and that's what that article is saying what that building is called.--Shmaltz 18:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

My friend, even without the word "only" the policy remains the same: "primary sources that have been published by a reliable source may be used".

I understand your frustration, however please understand that the differentiation between primary sources and secondary sources is primarily concerning interpretation, i.e. a primary source quoted (with sources) must remain uninterpreted by an editor. A secondary source is considered the only way to validly interpret a happening or fact. Again, please read the policies carefully. Wikipedia welcomes everyones contributions- as long as they comply with the three core policies. Good luck.68.198.236.57 19:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Crazy House

No, I am not a student there. Yes, I've been there and it's called the crazy house. It is still OR. Therefore, unless you can site a fricken independent reliable source to the contrary, we won't have this on WP. Besides, why would you want this chillul D' here? - crz crztalk 19:05, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Please go and manually revert yourself. You are in the wrong. - crz crztalk 19:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

No you are wrong, since all you are telling me is that because of C"H you are vadalising an article, That's why I'll keep changing it back.--Shmaltz 19:08, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

C"H notwithstanding, my point was based on OR. I'll get someone else to revert you. Thx. - crz crztalk 19:15, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

But that is still vandalism if it is not the truth, which even if someone else reverses it, I will still reveres it back to the truth. And BTW, look thru that policy again, since I'm a student at BMG I'm primary source and NOT OR.--Shmaltz 19:18, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

You're not a source of any kind. I have asked for a third opinion from a familiar non-jewish sysop, user:youngamerican, who has no interest or exposure to BMG. - crz crztalk 19:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't agree with that user. In any case, since you yourself say that it is called the crazy house, changing it to anything else is vandalism.--Shmaltz 19:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Wait! He has to opine first before you disagree with him! Gosh! Btw, I have sent you an email. - crz crztalk 19:29, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry didn't realize he hasn't taken sides yet. My mistake. And for that I will agree on his opinion about the NOR but I still think that to change it when you know that it is the truth is called vandalism. --Shmaltz 19:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Shmaltz, you should be aware that even if you know something to be the truth, it does not mean that it can be included in wikipedia. I am sure you are not the only beginning editor who feels frustrated by this. However, bear in mind that if anyone could edit articles based on personal witness or whim, wikipedia would be a wasteland of chaos.

P.S. By the way, I studied in BMG for many years, in fact I dormed in the facility on Clifton. Regardless of what you say it is called, wikipedia prohibits inclusion of Original Research.68.198.236.57 19:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

But as long as you don't know otherwise, or in this case that C"H is the agenda and not the truth, it is considered vandalism.--Shmaltz 19:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry to say this, but you are wrong. Even if I agreed with you, and said that the dormitory is indeed called "the crazy house", it would make no difference. Wikipedia policies are clear- primary sources must be quoted from a published source. Also, please do not attribute "agendas" to those who disagree with you. Instead, assume good faith and rest assured that the goal is only to comply with the standards of wikipedia. Again, good luck in your future edits.68.198.236.57 19:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Talkpage rights

Actually, for your information the vandalism policy specifically excludes your own personal talkpage. I quote from WP:vandalism

"Talk page vandalism-

Deleting the comments of other users from Talk pages other than your own, aside from removing internal spam, vandalism, etc. is generally considered vandalism. Removing personal attacks is often considered legitimate, and it is considered acceptable to archive an overly long Talk page to a separate file and then remove the text from the main Talk page. The above does not apply to the user's own Talk page, where this policy does not itself prohibit the removal and archival of comments at the user's discretion."

Pretty clear. LOL 68.198.236.57 08:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Yi Wiki unblock and sysopship.

There was a matter on stewards channel on IRC, all stewards agreed with this and I was put in charge of doing it. Please refer to m:User talk:Danny for more information. -Romihaitza 09:55, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

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I was removing it from WP:JEW because WP:JEW isn't going to make every jew article part of their project only things relevant to the project--Java7837 03:06, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I hear you, but it should be somewhere, at least I think so.--Shmaltz 03:15, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User talk:Shmaltz/Sandbox

I've nominated User talk:Shmaltz/Sandbox, a page you created, for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User talk:Shmaltz/Sandbox and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User talk:Shmaltz/Sandbox during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Shmaltz 12:39, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Shraga Hager

Hi, there is currently a discussion about the notability of Rabbi Shraga Hager your insight on this would greatly be appreciated[1]. Have a beautiful day--יודל 13:10, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you--Shmaltz 14:08, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Recent reversion

Your recent reverts of edits ([2][3]) by 208.104.207.30, while warranted, should not have been labelled as vandalism. Remember to assume good faith when dealing with others. --Xanzzibar 20:19, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

While I agree with you that it could have not been labelled as vandalism I labelled it as such based on the fact that it was done to more than one article.--Shmaltz 04:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

response

I've responded on my talk page. However before you view it, please note that my actions were taken in response to a complaint to the Wikimedia Support Team's legal department. Please thoroughly read m:OTRS and understand what we do and how we work before responding with unfounded accusations that I am operating on the behalf of the yeshivah. In short, you do not have access to information about the complaint, and you have nothing more than speculation as to who it is from and what it is about, so please refrain from such speculation (especially when formed as an accusation against another editor.) Thank you. ⇒SWATJester ^{Son of the Defender} 18:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

You need to relax, its Christmas after all

I am an experienced user, and you wont succeed in bothering me like that with passive-aggressive warnings to provoke anger. It is just to puerile to work. This is the main Spinka article and there needs to a mention of the most newsworthy event to happen in the movement perhaps ever. Lobojo (talk) 03:42, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Please take this to the talk page of Spinka. Thank you.--Shmaltz (talk) 03:43, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I have in no way edit warred with you. I reverted you once, yet you reverted the same materail 3 times now. I have tried to satisfy you by moving the information per Summary style guidelines. If you continue to post bogus warnings to my user page I will just delete them. Can you possibly think of a less productive way of resolving a content dispute? You need to stop flaming and spamming me with bogus warning and sit down like a mench and discuss. Lobojo (talk) 04:04, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

If you add it in then you are edit warring, you have to resolve it first on the talk page. Thank you. BTW, do your math before you accuse me again [4]--Shmaltz (talk) 04:07, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

WP:RS discussion

It will have to be carried out elsewhere, as that talk page needed to be deleted. May I suggest Wikipedia talk:Reliable sources? -- Avi (talk) 18:33, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Yiddish Stubs in this Wikipedia

Hi Shmaltz: As one of Wikipedia's Yiddish experts you may be interested that I recently created a {{Yiddish-stub}} but it has now been nominated for deletion, see Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2007/December/20. What do you think? Sincerely,--יודל (talk) 12:08, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Idea for Talmud articles

Hi Shmaltz: I am reposting the following request from User Sh76us (talk · contribs) on my user talk page for wider notification:

I was thinking of trying to stimulate development of a series of articles on Gemara concepts and doctrines, maybe to help children or newcomers to Gemara with explanations of some fundamental concepts that recur throughout the Gemara. Some examples might be articles on Yiush, Chazakah, Ta'aninun (as in "Ta'aninun L'Yoresh"), Eidim Zomemin (forgive my awful transliterations), Migu, etc., etc. Maybe we could even create a category or subcategory for it. I created Breira in this vein. As I don't have the experience or expertise in Wikipedia to know what to do to best develop this idea, I figured I'd come to you for your opinions on: (1) whether it's a good idea; and (2) How to best go about implementing it. Thanks Sh76us (talk) 15:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Centralized discussion at: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#Idea for Talmud articles. Thank you. IZAK (talk) 03:36, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

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Your AN3 request

You should notify other editors when you raise discussion of their actions. No worries this time, but it is best practice. It is also generally not nice to describe other editor's contributions as vandalism except in accordance with Wikipedia:Vandalism. I have not investigated this matter in depth, but have you considered raising a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism? - 2/0 (cont.) 21:25, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Look again at WP:VAN, Vandalism is any addition, removal, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia. it is for that reason that I felt I have to mention the fact of his contribs. His account is a single purpose account being that he belongs to one side of that fight.--Shmaltz (talk) 03:17, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Bobov (Hasidic dynasty)

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RE: December 2009

Thank you for your advice in regards to Wikipedia and advertising a product or service. The reason that this post was made was due to the fact that Rubberecycle also has a link under the 'see also' section within the same page. This is a commercial company offering a product that would seem to be using Wikipedia, how ever poorly they are, for nothing more then self promotion. I know that you can not check every link of every post and that Wikipedia uses a tight community of moderators to make sure that this and other general guidelines are being followed.

The company that I had referenced is a local company in my home town, but also the only company using American waste tires and recycling them (hence the link posted under tire recycling) using local workers and not outsourcing the work like to many other manufacturing jobs have done within this current global economy. Within Wikipedia I see so many companies listed from local restaurant chains that bear little interest to those outside of the community that that are located in to large big box stores that everyone around the world knows in some respect. While I respect your decision to remove the link to their page, I believe that company that has been doing business internationally for several years is deserving of a mention someplace within the pages of Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JamieRex (talk • contribs) 04:25, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Removal of Edah HaChareidis Letter in the Satmar page

Would you please explain why you call this "Vandalism"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.117.235.68 (talk) 20:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Look at everything that was added, I did not remove it because of the letter, but because of all the other stuff that was added.--Shmaltz (talk) 21:02, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

BTW, what type of copyright does that letter have?--Shmaltz (talk) 21:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, you are right, it was a FireFox extension, called WoT, that caused that problem. and the license problem was also my mistype. Hope it's good now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Correctguru (talk • contribs) 21:38, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

So the blatt now officially engages in using the Internet against the Zalies? Bnei Yoel?--Shmaltz (talk) 21:44, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Let's assume it's true, this is not my point of view, this document is an actual Letter written by the Edah Hachareidis and it is very appropriate to put it there, so please reverse it. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Correctguru (talk • contribs) 22:05, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Assume????

Non-authoritative answer: derblatt.com MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = mail1.derblatt.com derblatt.com MX preference = 20, mail exchanger = mailstore1.secureserver.net

derblatt.com MX preference = 0, mail exchanger = mail.derblatt.com > set type=A > mail1.derblatt.com Server: vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net Address: 4.2.2.2

Non-authoritative answer: Name: mail1.derblatt.com Address: 38.117.235.68

--Shmaltz (talk) 22:20, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi good morning Shmaltz, you cooked a shmaltzige kashe here... Why do you conclude that when someone at der blatt complains about the removal of my letter, that I'm working for them?Correctguru (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

March 2010

Blindly reverting a contibution is bad practice. If you don't like the contribution you should edit it not just undo it. There were no links.AJEIII (talk) 05:51, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, you were right, my mistake.--Shmaltz (talk) 15:50, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

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BMG entry

dear rabbi shmaltz, are we okay with the page now. what i wanted to do was give people who don't know what bmg is at all an idea of what it is. this is very important first and foremost for the many thousands of lakewood alumni that have an education that is way better as far as developing intelect goes than any university degree. yet all the employer sees on his resume is this weird name bmg that he never heard of. so this is a way of explaining to them that a degree from bmg means that the guy got into a graduate school that is prcatically impossible to get into unless the guy did some serious under gradaute work which means that the guy really develpoed his mind. there is no such thing as a university even harvard where day in and out they study more than 5 hours a day and they have almost half of the year off. so i wanted to explain that bmg is a very intense learning program and should not at all be confused with some type of religous school. in addition there are many people in communities where lakewood has opned a kolel that should also understand what true learning is about. i also felt that its important for people to understand what people do in bmg, that they devote their minds to learn torah for no worldly benefit at all which is something that people can almost not immagine doing, using a good head and not studying a subject that can make them millions but to learn torah for its own sake. this is the biggest kidush hashem in the true sense of the word. and finally there are many people who want to leave their money for a good cause in yiddishkiet but have no idea what sort of serious place lakewood is and that it is not like a yeshiva but the a selective institution where the highest level of learning goes on. this is something that those that seek money for the yeshiva can't explain. in addtion mobody belives the mosad itself but wikipedia is a third party. i felt that it was very important to utilize the space on wikpedia for the best purpose and not use it as just a another site for yeshivishe guys since when you google bmg the first result is wikipedia. after i left lakewood i went to law school (law schools are one of the few places that know about the quality of lakewood guys as lakewood guys always graduate at the top of the class)and that is where i learned to write. a lawyer is ultimatley a writer and that is what they teach there. Learned69 (talk) 08:41, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your contribs.--Shmaltz (talk) 01:32, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

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BMG again

Learned69 (talk) 08:05, 5 August 2012 (UTC). i made 3 revisions to the article on BMG. you undid all 3. its clear that you don't even know what the 3rd revison was so you can't explain why you undid it. that revision was to correct a typo in something that i wrote a while back. as it now reads it says that the typical age that new students arrive at BMG IT 22. i revised that to read IS. but since you don't approve we will leave it as it is with the typo.

as for reb noson being a founder together with reb aharon this is simply not the case. reb noson was hired by reb aharon for a specific job and that job wasn't even to say shmuzen at first. the main thing that reb noson was hired to do was simply to be present at the yeshiva during the week while reb aharon was in NY. reb aharon would spent the week in NY and would arrive in the yeshiva on thursday to say the shiur and would stay for shabbos. so reb noson would be in the yeshiva during the week and he would go home to his family on thursday when reb aharon came. this is the extent of reb noson's invlovement in the yeshiva in the early days.

at the time, in 1943, reb noson was 33, and reb aharon did not seek in him a partner to develop and build the yeshiva together. and in fact reb noson never did anything, nor was he responsible, nor did he have the official authority to do anything related to building the yeshiva and his position was limited to the job that he was payed to do. as such he is no way to be considred a founder of the yeshiva and this is the 1st time i heard this to be suggested.

as for the matter of the resposibility of the rosh chabura to arrange for seats it is actually the responsibility of the seating committee to arrange for the seats. the seating committee simply has to know how many guys are in a given chabura so that they know how many seats to assign. so at best the rosh chabura is "responsible" for notifying the seating committee of how many guys are in the chabura for the zeman. there is also no technical rule that he make this notification personally. so i don't think that this one phone call qualifies as part of the job description of a rosh chabura. the yeshiva also has a seforim committee that sees to it that seforim on the limud of every chabura are made available in the area of the bais medrash that the chabura is learning in. i don't think that you would also include notification to the seforim comittee as a description of the rosh chabura's responsibility.

in addition the article fails to describe the main responsibility of the rosh chabura. and that is to prepare the sugyah and to know it thoroughly so that he is able to answer questions about any difficulties members of the chabura may be having with the sugyah. almost every rosh chabura learns the limud that the chabura is learning on his own in a seder other than the seder that the chabura is learning it and this is his prime responsibility. in describing the rosh chabura it is also important to note that he is usually more advanced in learning than the members of his chabura and that this is the most important factor in the purpose of the rosh chabura. i would have added this but no doubt you would have undid it.

Sorry for reverting the typo, I did not notice that when I reverted it.

About R' Noson, he was involved in founding the Yeshiva, he was the one that brought R' Ahron to Lalkewood, as he knew R' Ahron was looking for something and he felt that Lakewood will suit him. R' Noson as mashgiach at the time and you are right about R' Ahron not being in yeshiva most of the week, while R' Noson stayed and went home - to Williamsburgh - for shabos.

Rosh Hachabura, while the wording "It is the rosh chaburah's responsibility to arrange enough seats for the members of his chaburah" might indicate that he is responsible for seating, the meaning is to arrange thru the seating committee. --Shmaltz (talk) 23:30, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

BMG Degrees

The article says that BMG offers 2 post masters diplomas in Talmudic Studies. Is this correct. If so What are those degrees, what are they called and what is each one. in articles about higher institution of learning the degrees that are offered are usually specified and i think that the article should do so Learned69 (talk) 04:51, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't know for sure, I quite positive I didn't edit that part.--Shmaltz (talk) 17:07, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

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