User talk:Richadventure

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Hello, Richadventure, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of your recent edits to the page Ivins, Utah did not conform to Wikipedia's verifiability policy, and may have been removed. Wikipedia articles should refer only to facts and interpretations verified in reliable, reputable print or online sources or in other reliable media. Always provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed. Wikipedia also has a related policy against including original research in articles.

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Ivins, Utah

I have added a welcome message, which contains links to many topics which will help you. An important policy is WP:BURDEN, which basically says that if something you add to Wikipedia is challenged, then the burden is on you to provide a reliable source if you choose to add the text back. Re-inserting the edit without a source is disruptive, as it may lead to edit warring. Thanks for your understanding. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:28, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

April 2023

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Ivins, Utah, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Please stop adding unsourced or poorly sourced content. Magnolia677 (talk) 11:57, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Please lets have a discussion about this because I am feeling very frustrated. I may not know much about wikipedia rules, but I don't think you know anything or care about Ivins City's presence on the site. If you don't like the history section, then fix it, don't just delete it. There is all sorts of content on wikipedia that doesn't have perfectly sourced information and it doesn't get deleted. Maybe people add the comment "citation needed". I have tried adding citations but if you don't like my citation then you just delete it. Don't delete the good for sake of the perfect. I am intimately involved with the City and I know its history. Maybe I don't have the time to understand how everything works here on but your efforts to just whack peoples efforts comes off as pure bullying. So yes let's have a conversation, you don't own this page. Richadventure (talk) 14:25, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

I was looking at some other cities with history sections that don't have citations for every fact presented. I would tell you which ones I looked at, but I am worried that if I do that you will delete those pages as well. I am not sure why you are picking on my edits. I have lived in Ivins for 17 years and have been involved with it's heritage/historical societies. Why don't you let the section sit and then others can make and fix it if there are problems? Richadventure (talk) 14:46, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

I understand your frustration, maybe Magnolia677 was pretty hard on you, but please read Wikipedia:Edit warring - Wikipedia to ensure you're not blocked for it, alr? SeanTVT (talk) 15:02, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Every time I have reverted edits, I have made some additional changes, but Magnolia677 just whacks it. Richadventure (talk) 15:09, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

One last comment. Please stop changing the population data. I have provided the citations to the US Census page and you still revert the changes to render the page INACCURATE. When you delete my history info, please don't just revert every change that I make too! Richadventure (talk) 15:07, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I'll revert the population data right away SeanTVT (talk) 15:09, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

OK, so puleease let's have the discussion. What do I need to do to get a history section added to this page?? I am at a total loss!? Richadventure (talk) 15:20, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I am new here, so I think right now what you should do is discussing your edits (with references) in the Talk page and try to raise this topic. I'll ask some other editors to have a look on your contribution to see if it is alr to add the new History sentence or not. SeanTVT (talk) 15:26, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

And most importantly, be patient. Don't try to add the History section until we have reached consensus on the Talk page. SeanTVT (talk) 15:27, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm finished, please check what I'm missing. SeanTVT (talk) 15:16, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

I checked. Thank you for that at least. Richadventure (talk) 15:22, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Richadventure. I'd recommend you to read WP:BURDEN and WP:REFDD so that you would know more about proper referencing (basic dos and don'ts). I'd also recommend you to not add content that is: unsourced/not mentioned in the references you've provided. Cheers, Vacant0 (talk) 16:32, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Richadventure, one of the reasons Wikipedia is so successful, is because it does not accept "stuff you know". Everything must be encyclopedic, and supported by a reliable source. This frustrates a lot of editors, because there is a lot of stuff we know which has never been published in a reliable source, and Wikipedia does not accept original research. This would include your entire history addition at Ivins, Utah, because, as you wrote in your edit summary, it is "an insider's bonafide effort to put accurate information on the page". Please take a look at Lake Ontario Ordnance Works, an article which I mostly wrote myself several years ago. The site is a huge storage location for nuclear and toxic waste. Now take a look at this map in satellite view. See how Pletcher Road is actually two roads? The reason is because when the storage site was being filled, trucks moved on a divided highway so they wouldn't smash head-on into each other and spill nuclear waste all over the place. But notice how this important fact isn't included in the Wikipedia article? Know why? Because no matter how hard I looked, I could not find a source to support this fact. It's completely true...in fact, you can see it on a map! But it's just something someone told me, and Wikipedia does not accept "stuff you know". Thanks for your understanding. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:16, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

OK, your article looks like it it perfectly sourced and that is a great model. Props to you. That is maybe 1 in 100 of the articles that I am familiar with on wikipedia. So I will continue to disagree with your methods of just removing content as a drive-by editor. I'd rather that you put a "citation needed" tag on the sentences that are so controversial that you feel need to have a reference for it to stay up. Then maybe I could go find those citations. (Although if I knew this was going to be so hard to publish two simple non-controversial paragraphs, that anybody who lives here would agree with, maybe I just don't have the time to be an editor.) Richadventure (talk) 19:03, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

This is a volunteer organization, like a local church group. The church welcomes volunteers, just as Wikipedia welcomes new editors. The church has rules for volunteers, as does Wikipedia. If you don't want to follow the rules of either the church or of Wikipedia, then it would probably be best to find someplace else to volunteer. Moreover, if your philosophy of editing is, "those other articles are unsourced, so why can't I make this one unsourced too", well then, all the best. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:42, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

OK, so seriously, I really want this page to have an History section. So I am going to try to tamp down my hard feelings on all of this. I am asking for some serious help. I have provided two citations. Do you (or anybody else for that matter) consider them unreliable? If so, why? Also, which sentences do you think are not supported by my citations? Richadventure (talk) 22:13, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Please start a discussion on the article talk page, where more editors will be able to respond. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:24, 14 April 2023 (UTC)