User talk:Psychteam4

Proposed deletion of Depression in college students

Hello, Psychteam4. I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you started, Depression in college students, for deletion because I don't think it meets our criteria for inclusion. If you don't want the article deleted:

1. edit the page
2. remove the text that looks like this: {{proposed deletion/dated...}}
3. save the page

Also, be sure to explain why you think the article should be kept in your edit summary or on the article's talk page. If you don't do so, it may be deleted later anyway.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Mduvekot (talk) 01:53, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Welcome

Hello, Psychteam4 and welcome to Wikipedia! It appears you are participating in a class project. If you haven't done so already, we encourage you to go through our training for students. Go through our online training for students

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We hope you like it here and encourage you to stay even after your assignment is finished! Mduvekot (talk) 04:09, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

More on Depression in college students

I have moved the preamble from the article to the talk page, but the article appears pretty much unsalvageable. Wikipedia is an international encyclopedia, not a self-help guide for students or others with depression or other illnesses. There is a "Featured article" on Major depressive disorder - one of the encyclopedia's best articles, with an impressive collection of sources, and a separate article on Depression (mood).

There are even higher standards required for sourcing of material when you are writing in a medical area than those for general Wikipedia editing - see Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine). There is an article College health which at present has no section on depression: if you have Reliable sources - books, journal articles, authoritative websites - on the topic, it might be useful to add a section on depression to that article.

If your professor proposes to fail you if your article is deleted, then he or she appears to have a misguided view of Wikipedia and its purpose and you and your fellow students should challenge that grade: this is not a student laboratory but an international encyclopedia. Please encourage the person running the course to read the material at Wikipedia:Student assignments and to work through Wikipedia:Training/For educators.

I'm sorry that it appears that your introduction to editing Wikipedia has been poorly planned and misguided, and hope that you can find a useful project which will get your grades without damaging the encyclopedia. There is a lot to learn about editing Wikipedia but it is an interesting journey and can make for a fascinating and rewarding hobby! Good luck. PamD 23:11, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

I have now moved the article to Draft:Depression in college students. That means that it will be less likely to be proposed for deletion at WP:Articles for Deletion, and also means that a reader searching the web for this topic will not find your work, as the "Drafts" namespace is hidden from search engines. You and your fellow students can continue to edit the article, and show it to your professor, but it will no longer appear as part of the encyclopedia. If at some point you have worked it up into an appropriate article for the encyclopedia, then an experienced editor can move it back into "Article space" - but it would need a total rethink to be appropriate.

If your class assignment is something on the lines of "Contribute constructively to Wikipedia's coverage of your topic", then I'd say you're failing. You haven't taken the trouble to learn much about how to edit here - and although we say "Anyone can edit", we also expect people to read and learn, and have a saying "Competence is required". Look at the post you made on my talk page: No subject heading, no signature, and placed at the top of the page. Did you actually read the large helpful notice on the top of the page? The one which starts Please click "New section" above to leave any new message, and please sign your message (just type ~~~~).? (Clicking on "New section" automatically puts your post in the right place, the end of the talk page, and provides a box for you to add a subject heading). In a post above this you were told: It is highly recommended that you place this text: {{Educational assignment}} on the talk page of any articles you are working on - so you added {Educational assignment}, with only one set of curly brackets, to the article page, not the talk page. When people offer advice, please read it. If you cannot understand it, ask. So I would give you a failing mark for failing to put enough effort into learning how to edit, and in particular failing to read instructions.

If on the other hand your assignment is anything other than what I suggested above, then your instructor has got it wrong and should not be trying to use an international encyclopedia as the workshop for his or her students' work. The article you are trying to write looks like something which might be appropriate for the student guidance pages of a college website - although there is undoubtedly something professionally-written already available elsewhere - but is not encyclopedia content. Its tone is completely wrong: stuff like "First we must ask ourselves 'What is depression'" is totally out of place here.

I'm sorry that your introduction to editing Wikipedia has been less than ideal and hope that you will be able to learn how to make a positive contribution to the encyclopedia. It's a great idea when academics encourage their students to contribute appropriately to the encyclopedia, but it can go very badly wrong too. Please read the information linked above and encourage your instructor to read the links there too. Happy Editing! PamD 09:09, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Ed Support

Hi there! I wanted to leave a note and let you know that my organization, the Wiki Education Foundation, works to support classroom assignments on Wikipedia. I would love to get in touch with your instructor to offer our resources, guidelines, trainings, and best practices. You can visit our website at wikiedu.org and send your instructor to my email at samantha@wikiedu.org . I'm happy to offer my support to make sure you have a successful classroom assignment. Hope to hear from you soon. - Samantha (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:53, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

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Hi Samantha and thanks for your cordial response! My class has actually complained has a whole to our professor about the project. Often times in school we're told not to use Wikis for assignments, this has been the first time any of us have used one besides reading something. Our professor is an older gentlemen and he thinks that we should be able to do this in 2 weeks but it's a lot to learn and each group needed one compiler to read everyone's sources and draft it up. We're trying to learn the site but he thought it would be something simple as and more of a learning experience than us doing a Prezi or Powerpoint. A couple of us have received really horrid responses from the wiki community. We thought we where following the

guidelines and placing our school info as a temporary hold on our page until we had everything in place. So he might pull the project and let us know today ,that way we can pull our stuff.

Once again, thank you for being understanding and offering help! Have a nice day!

Hi User:Psychteam4 Thanks for your reply! If the project doesn't get pulled, you and your classmates might benefit from our online trainings, all of which can be found here. These are different from the earlier link left on your talk page as they are more updated, and can be focused on your specific assignment. Feel free to use them yourselves! We also have a ton of handouts and other resources here you might benefit from looking through. I emailed your instructor to let him know that all these resources are available. All in all, it IS possible to have a successful assignment you just need the rights tools to succeed. Our dashboard is a great place to go to see other courses around the US & Canada who are doing this successfully. Good luck and I hope to hear back from your instructor soon, - Samantha (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:30, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Hallo again, I hope that my comments above didn't come over as "really horrid responses from the wiki community"! We do get a bit exasperated with lecturers who think that the encyclopedia is a sort of student lab where they can get their students to experiment, and also with people who don't read simple rules and suggestions, but I tried to offer positive advice too - and I suspect that if I hadn't moved your article to "Draft" someone else would have soon nominated it for deletion! I hope that with the help of Samantha above, and the useful-looking training resources she's offering, you'll be able to work out something useful and constructive. And that you'll find you can enjoy editing Wikipedia and come back to continue doing so after your assignment is over. Good luck! PamD 22:38, 24 February 2016 (UTC)