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Chris Roupas Basketball Player Card[edit]
- We have Chris Roupas's original Amateur Basketball Association of the United States of America International Player License Travel Permit. It says on the front side that this will certify that Chris Roupas is a registered amateur player eligible for FIBA basketball competition during 1982-83. His player number on the card you can use when you contact them for verification is 2 442. It is signed by William L. Wall, Executive Director, 1750 East Boulder Street, Colorado Springs, CO, 80909. Phone 903-632-7687. Does anyone think I should upload this document and incorporate it into the article showing what players back then had to have paperwork wise in order to play abroad? Any further suggestions or help would be appreciated. Thank you.PSUSTATS (talk) 15:32, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- But, the story is not as straight forward as I would like it to be. The 1982-83 Greek Basketball season as other seasons in that era do not have the sources like are available now for us to use. You can look at a article on David Stergakos who played for Panathinaikos that season. The article mentions he played college basketball under the name David Nelson at Bloomfield College in the United States. Chris Roupas played at first under the name Thanassi Kappos. He played in one game with AEK in which he had four points but sprained his ankle and was playing the next week with Larissa in two games and then from what my sources tell me, he played with Aiolos the rest of the season. Both AEK and Larissa were A league teams based on Wikipedia sources. Austurkian mentions Aiolos may have been Ionikos which also based on Wikipedia, is an A league team and at this time with all the name changes going on with the lower teams in the league, he might be right. I do know that several of the basketball teams bounced from the A league to the B league during that era not only based entirely upon their win loss record, but also in the form of not paying required fees to the league. A story also not covered so much is why these players during that time had two different names. Teams back then could only have two players from the United States on their team at a time. Over that limit, teams found a way to get around that number by changing players names. The photos of Roupas playing in the article were against Panellinios and it mentions his game against Apollon Patras, both A league teams for sure. Either Aiolos was Ionikos for those photos or Aiolos played in the A league for a short time before moving back to the B league. Aiolos is now in the A league but their article states they were founded in 1990 with a modified name, Aiolos Astakos. It appears from the discussions on this page that more information is valuable and that we should incorporate this information of Roupas with his name change and his short tenure with AEK and Larrisa into the article as well.PSUSTATS (talk) 21:53, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
- Your commentary is well written Bluesangrel and I agree with you.You are correct in saying that Aiolos was Aiolos Trikalon and the Chris Roupas article also reflects this. The discussion on this page is where the Aiolos Astakou was incorrectly mentioned by me.You are also correct in saying that Chris Roupas was of greek descent. He used the name Thanassi Kappos in a several player deal that was used to accommodate a more notable player. As the year wore on, Roupas realized that he was used only for this in the pre-season and first week with AEK and the second week with Larissa. He was able to use his real name when he went to Aiolos as both his grandparents were born in Greece and were of Greek diaspora as you correctly say. This movement and positioning of players involving Roupas to accommodate a more notable player left a sour taste with Roupas and he chose not to return the following year. I spent this last week researching whether Aiolos was in the A-league at that time and you are correct, they were not. The article doesn't say they were but it doesn't mention his short stay with AEK and Larissa which would meet the notability guidelines and I will edit the article to show this information now.I know now that playing with Aiolos at that time does not meet the notability guidelines but Wikipedia does say that playing in one game in the Greek League does meet the guidelines so it is very important that I show that he did play with AEK and Larissa even though it was very brief. Thank you for your insight as we all work to improve this article.PSUSTATS (talk) 22:52, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
- But, the story is not as straight forward as I would like it to be. The 1982-83 Greek Basketball season as other seasons in that era do not have the sources like are available now for us to use. You can look at a article on David Stergakos who played for Panathinaikos that season. The article mentions he played college basketball under the name David Nelson at Bloomfield College in the United States. Chris Roupas played at first under the name Thanassi Kappos. He played in one game with AEK in which he had four points but sprained his ankle and was playing the next week with Larissa in two games and then from what my sources tell me, he played with Aiolos the rest of the season. Both AEK and Larissa were A league teams based on Wikipedia sources. Austurkian mentions Aiolos may have been Ionikos which also based on Wikipedia, is an A league team and at this time with all the name changes going on with the lower teams in the league, he might be right. I do know that several of the basketball teams bounced from the A league to the B league during that era not only based entirely upon their win loss record, but also in the form of not paying required fees to the league. A story also not covered so much is why these players during that time had two different names. Teams back then could only have two players from the United States on their team at a time. Over that limit, teams found a way to get around that number by changing players names. The photos of Roupas playing in the article were against Panellinios and it mentions his game against Apollon Patras, both A league teams for sure. Either Aiolos was Ionikos for those photos or Aiolos played in the A league for a short time before moving back to the B league. Aiolos is now in the A league but their article states they were founded in 1990 with a modified name, Aiolos Astakos. It appears from the discussions on this page that more information is valuable and that we should incorporate this information of Roupas with his name change and his short tenure with AEK and Larrisa into the article as well.PSUSTATS (talk) 21:53, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
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