User talk:Osbus/Archive2

Thanks!

Hey, I just wanted to thank you again for your help with the survey I posted. I tried a few weeks ago to get some response from people for interviews and had little success. Since you posted the survey on the Community Portal, I have seen an overwhelming response. I just wanted you to know that your actions really made a difference with my research.Utestudent 06:53, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

In reference to Medicine in Ancient Greece

Seeing that the sixth vote came a few minutes too late, I took the liberty of nominating the article to Wikipedia:Medicine_Collaboration_of_the_Week. I believe there it will have a better treatment. --Francisco Valverde 15:42, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Links

You are adding a lot of completly non-notable links to article I edit. The page you are linking to is completly unsuitable for external links. Please stop adding it to pages. Jefffire 14:05, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Other wiki's are completly unsuitable as external links. See Wikipedia:External links. The guidelines violated in this case are Do not use 2 & 3

2 In general, any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article here would have once it becomes an example of brilliant prose.

3 Links that are added to promote a site. See External link spamming.

Jefffire 14:15, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Please Help

Posted by (^'-')^ Covington 01:57, 10 May 2006 (UTC) on behalf of the the AID Maintenance Team

Community Justice Newsletter

Welcome Previously, various notices regarding Community Justice have gone out to our members; though this is the first actual newsletter. This issue will contain information regarding decisions made on the first meeting, our new council, and more...! If you wish to unsubscribe to future newsletters, please add your name to Wikipedia:Community Justice/Do Not Spam. New Council Following our first elections, a new council has been elected.Computerjoe and Ian13 remain as chairman and chief executive (respectively); while Eddieh, Wiki alf and Xchrisblackx are replaced as councillors by Ilyanep, Osbus and Covington. The Giant Puffin and Pureblade remain as councillors. Member Conduct In the last meeting, the conduct of 4 members was discussed. Ethnopunk will be put on probation, supervised by Ian13, if he/she is incivil during this probation, he/she will be expelled from WP:CJ; the same was decided for Misza13 (voluntarily), and his probation will be supervised by Computerjoe. No action will be taken against Computerjoe. Barnstar The Civility Barnstar which our members have designed has been sent to Barnstar and award proposals. We'd appreciate your feedback! Also, we are planning to make a Community Justice barnstar to give to hard-working CJ members. If you're a budding designer, consider trying to make it, then post your proposal to WT:CJ! Name and logo change There has been no consensus reached regarding changing our name and/or logo neither at WT:CJ nor at WT:CJ/M/1. While suggestions are still welcome, no action will be taken at this time. Programs We are going to try to create programs to more actively involve our members. If you have any ideas, please drop a line at WT:CJ. We will try to work with WP:ESP on one of these programs, at some point in the future. Thanks! Thank you for your time. If you need anything, feel free to comment at WT:CJ or come into our IRC channel [1]. Computerjoe wishes to extend his thanks to User:Robchurch, a non-member who assisted in making {{tracker}} redundant, as well as Misza13 for his continued support and to the whole of this and the previous council. This newsletter was delivered by CJBot, written by Computerjoe, with technical help from Misza13. Computerjoe's talk 19:30, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Apology

Hey Osbus,

I did not mean to remove your comment, it was a problem I made by replying on a previous version. I didn't see this and it was a careless mistake. Therefore, I've restored it.

Thank you and have a nice Sunday. Computerjoe's talk 16:51, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Arts Project now underway

WikiProject Arts
Announcing the creation of WikiProject Arts, an effort to create a collaboration between all arts projects and artistically-minded Wikipedians in order to improve arts coverage.

HAM 17:40, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Please help on Mathematics

Posted by Pruneau 21:48, 23 May 2006 (UTC), on behalf of the AID Maintenance Team

CJ Vote

I have set up a quick vote, as a counciler, may I ask you voice your opinions. Thanks! Ian13/talk 14:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Concordia Newsletter

Community Justice is no more. It has been reformed to Concordia. Membership has been transferred.

Concordia is an organization of editors on Wikipedia that strive to encourage civility and fair treatment among all editors in the Wikipedian community, from the Wikignome to the Wikiholic. The project was designed to have a friendly and helpful environment to support any unfortunate Wikipedians that have become victims of incivility, hostility, or continual disrespect.

We currently need help in getting going, and making the community understand our aims. We work for civility. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you have ideas, let us know at our talk page, or on the IRC channel. We aim to spread civility in every way we can.

Should you wish to unsubscribe to future newsletters, please add your name to Wikipedia:Concordia/Do Not Spam.

Thank you for your time. If you need anything, feel free to comment at WT:CCD or come into our IRC channel [2].

- The Concordia council. Delivered by Ian13 13:17, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

WikiLove!

Here are some mexican jumping beans for you! Mexican jumping beans somehow promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving something friendly to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Make your own message to spread WikiLove to others using Template:smile! Happy editing! --☆TBC☆ 05:01, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Did you know the mexican jumping beans are actually just seeds containing moth eggs? Anyhow keep up the good work, you've contributed a lot to Wikipedia! :D (another ackward attempt at comedy by ☆TBC☆) 04:56, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

WP:AID

Hi! Thanks for helping maintain the AID page. When you run AIDbot, it tells you which nominations should be removed, but it doesn't do it - that needs to be done by hand. For example, the nomination for Blade server needed to be moved to WP:AID/Removed today. Pruneau 19:02, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome! Thank you for checking the nominations so often - it seems that 50% of the checking is done by you! Pruneau 20:57, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

New Medicine COTW

--Francisco Valverde 19:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

?!

Why does everyone think I'm leaving all of a sudden? Hmm, I smell conspiracy... >_< Master of Puppets ^{FREE BIRD!} 01:07, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Your RfA

My mistake, I'll get right to it. Terribly sorry — ßottesiηi ^(talk) 01:53, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

The "right" answers

With regard to your RfA, I thought I'd spend a few electrons amplifying my comments, since you requested that I do. I'm reluctant to actually provide what I consider to be the "right" answers, because firstly they'd only come back to bite me and secondly the have various right answers. There are some answers, though, that are wrong.

For Tawker's first, the key problem is the inclusion of what are apparently punitive actions. The key document here is Wikipedia:Blocking policy, which opens by saying "Blocks are a preventative rather than punitive measure used to prevent damage to Wikipedia...". In this manner of thinking, a week-long block is hard to justify, although a standard 24hr (maybe 48hr) block to suspend their participation in whatever they were socking would be reasonable. What really tips your answer to this one, though is the probation. Admins don't (indeed, have no binding authority to) put editors on probation. They can watch them closely, and keep them on a short leash, but the doling out of probation is for ArbCom (they invented the notion). If an admin were to think probation needed, then an Arbitration case would be the 'right' move.

Your answer to Q5 is difficult, but it's a very poorly written question. The key documents are Wikipedia:Consensus and Wikipedia:Deletion policy. The question casts the debate as a vote count, when it's really not. If an admin reasonably suspects that users are not participating in an AfD in good faith, then they should not allow them to influence the outcome of that debate. Requests for checkuser are almost never carried out as part of an AfD discussion, and so in that sense, the question itself is wrong. Moreover, an admin should evaluate all comments they see in a debate that they consider to be useful contributions. Generally, sockpuppets/meatpuppets make readily-identifiably non-useful comments and an admin need not feel influenced by them. On the other hand, if an anon comes along and says something intelligent without an apparent agenda to push, there's every reason to take their view into account, despite what people often say.

For Q6, it's your use of the word "majority" when AfD is a (hopefully) consensual process which, whilst having some reliance on straw-polling, does not begin and end with it when it doesn't need to. Thus, a single editor making a plainly valid argument to delete an article is enough (e.g. "the article claims that carrots can walk, and so is ridiculous, delete" doesn't really need backing up). There is some discussion to be had, though, about how many views need to be expressed to make a debate sufficient when the article is not a slam-dunk keep/delete. That discussion need not depend primarily on a "majority" however.

So there is the detail of what I didn't like in your answers. I hope that helps some. Note that I don't speak in Gospel (regrettably) and so your mileage may vary, but I think that most of what I say above is a good approximation of "correct", and that if you spend some time reading the kind of responses existing admins make when faced with 'real' situations like those hypothesised in the questions, you'll see that these are the kinds of thinking that prevail. Regards, Splash^talk 20:24, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. -Splash^talk 20:39, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Attention All POTD members!

We are running out of images! We only have 2 completed days so far of images! Please contribute to the image pages. Thanks, --GeorgeMoney ^T·C 01:30, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Bhadani has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk pages. Happy editing!

--Bhadani 14:32, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

It was my pleasure. --Bhadani 13:46, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Lacrosse nominated

Since you previously voted for this article on AID, maybe you will be interested to know that User:Yarnalgo is looking for people to collaborate on this article. You can add yourself as a collaborator at Wikipedia:Join_in#Lacrosse if you would still like to work on this article.

Best wishes,

Samsara (talk • contribs) 20:27, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Join in collaboration

Hi Osbus! You recently voted for Lacrosse to be a collaboration on WP:JI it has reached the required number of people and we can begin to work on it. --Yarnalgo 22:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Attention All POTD members!

Wikipedia:Random picture of the day (formerly User:GeorgeMoney/potd) has been nominated for deletion by Hetar because he doesn't like a rule that could have just been discussed on the talk page instead of nominating it for deletion. Please vote on the MfD page. Thanks, GeorgeMoney ^T·C 15:27, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

RFA

I have closed your RFA prematurely as it was gaining more oppose votes than supports. The supports had a high % of sockpupepts voting, and I have them removed. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:17, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Please help stop personal attacks

I do not know what else to do. Midlgey and Oliver (mostly MIdgely) continue an onslaught of personal attack. I created an Rfd on an article they like, and they have done nothing but mallign me, rather than address the merits of the Rfd. Midgley has called for a premature closure of the RFd, citing the brawl, that he created. Administrators have asked him to be civil. I have asked and posted numerous requests for civility and nothing works. It is becoming extremely stressful. I have had emails from users I don't even know telling me that this is Midgley's style - to bully and intimidate users who do any thing he doesn't like, and to run them off WIkopedia. Can't someone do something about this? I do not deserve this kind of attack. Gfwesq has also been the target of attacks. Midgely accused Gfwesq of being the same person as me (we are not the same), and Ian (an administrator) knows that we are not the same, since Gfwesq proved it to him by giving him his bar license number. Then Midgely accused me of deleting his 'vote', and used that to launch yet another diatribe against me. Ian explained to him that he inadvertantly moved it to the talk page. Still, MIdgley continues to harass - and this is nothing short of harassment. I am still relatively new to editing Wikopedia (several months now)., and have not come across this kind of vitriol. I can't believe that no admin has yet taken more action than warnings. Please help. THis is the article and Rfd http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Patrick_Maxwell MollyBloom 00:09, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Help!

I filed in Mediation Cabal. Do I also need to file an Rfc for this? Why can't an administrator look at the warnings, the continued onslaught of personal attack and do something?

My RFA

Thanks

Osbus/Archive2, thank you for participating in my RfA. It passed with an amazingly unopposed 77/0/1. Thanks for the support everybody! If you see me doing anything wrong, want to ask me something, or just want to yell in my general direction, leave me a note on my talk page. I promise to try and knock out Wikipedia's problems wherever I may find them!

Staxringold _talk^contribs 20:26, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Your RfA

I am sorry if I was a bit harsh during it. Give it another run later, you'll be fine. Yanksox 21:31, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

After having edited 2000 times, you will have a much better chance for adminship. Please do not get discouraged.--Jusjih 23:48, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Osbus, you are a good user and are bound to become an admin if you continue to contribute with the spirit you are doing now. :) --Nearly Headless Nick 08:43, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for the encouragement...going on wikibreak though --Osbus 21:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

My Book

It's about the dark side of Wikipedia. I'd love to share ideas if you'd like. Karmafist ^{Save Wikipedia} 01:00, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Raï

Raï is not a genre of rock, and rock-influenced raï is a small and insignificant part of the article, therefore the template is inappropriate. Tuf-Kat 17:05, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

The template links to a redirect. In any case, I'm interested in maintaining and improving the article on raï, and have no desire to work on the rock template. Those who would like to work on that template are welcome to do so, but I'll remove templates that aren't useful from any page I am interested in regardless of what the template says. Tuf-Kat 17:46, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I need an advocate and help with mediation

Greetings,

I need an advocate who will walk me through the mediation process.

I am trying to get the following added to the Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics. Max Tegark is a renown physicist and a PhD profressor of cosmology at MIT. He agrees with my addition.

I am having problem with an editor by the name of Lethe who follows me around Wikipedia reverting all my edits without commentary.

I have tried reasoning with him on discussion pages, but he refuses to read what I write.

Advantages of MWI

If Hugh Everett's theory was just another interpretation of Quantum Mechanics it would have no followers, especially since it proposes the existence of countless other universes which theoretically can never be observed. Because it is not falsifiable it seemingly violates Popper's criteria for a good scientific theory. The reason it has so many adherents is because it offers numerous advantages over the Copenhagen Interpretation, among which are the following:

1. Quantum mechanics becomes a deterministic theory making it more compatible with the theory of relativity and all other physics theory to date which are all deterministic. The Copenhagen Interpretation introduced indeterminacy and randomness into science. Aside from the Copenhagen Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics there is no scientific theory that includes indeterminacy or randomness. Einstein particularly objected to this aspect of the Copenhagen Interpretation. In response to it, he said, "God does not play dice with the universe."

2. It eliminates the "measurement problem."

3. It eliminates Von Neumann's "boundary problem": where to draw the line between the micro world where quantum mechanics applies, and the macro world where it does not. Shortly before his death in 1953, Albert Einstein wrote: "Like the moon has a definite position whether or not we look at the moon, the same must also hold for the atomic objects, as there is no sharp distinction possible between these and macroscopic objects."

4. It eliminates the special place for an observer and human consciousness.

5. It restores objective reality of the universe between measurements. Shortly before his death, Albert Einstein also wrote: "Observation cannot CREATE an element of reality like a position, there must be something contained in the complete description of physical reality which corresponds to the possibility of observing a position, already before the observation has been actually made."

6. The wave-particle duality paradox evaporates. It simply and naturally explains the double-slit experiment. Richard Feynman said, "[the double-slit experiment] has in it the heart of quantum mechanics. In reality it contains the only mystery." David Deutcsh wrote: ". . . the argument for the many worlds was won with the double-slit experiment."

7. Schrodinger's Cat paradox evaporates.

It seems Einstein's main objections with quantum mechanics had more to do with the Copenhagen Interpretation, than with quantum mechanics itself. While MWI does not quite generate the kinds of worlds necessary to justify the anthropic principle, it is a step on the way to Stephen Hawking's No Boundary Proposal and Max Tegmark's All Universe Hypothesis which do justify the anthropic principle.

Michael D. Wolok 18:35, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

As you requested at User talk:HappyCamper, I reverted Happy's excision of Michael's comments; you may, of course, remove them at your leisure and in any event should feel free always to revert an excision such as Happy's without first leaving a note on the talk page of the editor who first reverted. Joe 06:09, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Alternative music CoTW

Hey, we've set up at collaboration project at Wikipedia:WikiProject Alternative Music/COTW. Feel free to suggest or vote on articles to work on. WesleyDodds 00:00, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

User:Demiurge

The above referenced individual has been deleting all my edits today. A few minutes ago he or she sent me a message saying I am a "suspected sockpuppet". I don't understand this exactly and what do I need to do to clear this up?

This person has been deleting all my edits. Am I going to have to redo them? Or is he or she going to have to fix up their mess?

Please help.

Thanks!!

216.194.3.138 10:03, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Test wiki

All set :) --GeorgeMoney ^{(talk) (Help Me Improve!)} 23:32, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Tip of the day project update

Just trying to get things better organized around there. Toward that end, I've created a task list template for the project. If all the contributors to the project placed it on their user page, we could all keep in touch more easily (with announcements, alerts, etc.). It, and the latest announcements can be found at:

totd task list template

--Go for it! 17:32, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Current Events Redesign Comments

From the Current Events Portal Redesign talk page:

1. • I dont think that the light blue and grey go well.

     Do you have a different color scheme in mind? joturner 23:50, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

   • The third box with details about sisterprojects could be smaller

     Someone else said a similar thing. Perhaps, I'll move the grey box on the right farther down into the column and spread the two sister project links out over the whole row (that would make the third box shorter). joturner 23:50, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

     Done. How do you like the change? The change may have also reduced the white space on the right side. joturner 00:45, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

   • I like the fact the the news is enclosed in a box by date, but there is too much white space in the second column

     Remember that people use different resolutions. At 1280px wide, there isn't too much space there; adding anything else to the right column would make it longer than the left, particularly in slow news weeks. At 1024px (I sort of suspect that's what you're using), I do see a bit of a problem, but I'd have to disagree. Now if you're at 800px wide... well... that's a very low resolution; consider upgrading to 1024px by 768px or higher. joturner 23:50, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

   • The template currently used for List of Events by Month is more visually appealing imo.

     What's different about this one? I mean, there are some differences, clearly, but they were so minor I didn't think people would mind. joturner 23:50, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

   Nice job, and I'll be happy to support if the above is addressed. --Osbus 23:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

NOTICE

AT CAMP UNTIL JULY 29... --Osbus 02:19, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

AMA Roll Call

There is currently an AMA Roll Call going on. Please visit the page and sign next to your name to indicate whether or not you're still active. :-) אמר Steve Caruso _(desk/poll) 18:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Vandalizing user pages

Please stop targeting one or more user's pages or talk pages for abuse or insults, unwarranted doctoring or blanking, as you did with User:Euroster. It can be seen as vandalism and may get you blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Crossmr 23:08, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Just for the record, Euroster was there when I "vandalized" his page. Crossmr is getting excited over nothing. --Osbus 14:55, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Regardless of whether or not here was there, you made inappropriate edits to other people's user pages. Refrain from doing so in the future.--Crossmr 15:14, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

The point is: HE LET ME HE WANTED IT TO BE THERE. therefore it is not different if he himself edited his own page. And inappropriate is not for you to judge, it is for Euroster himself. I do not appreciate your attitude and hope you at least try to understand. --Osbus 22:19, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Please avoid using abusive edit summaries as per Wikipedia:Civility and Wikipedia:No personal attacks. Thanks and happy editing. Specifically this [3] was uncivil. Regardless of whether or not you had permission to edit another user's page like that, the content that was placed on it was inappropriate. If Eurostar wants to edit his own page he can.--Crossmr 22:35, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

This "god do i dislike pretentious wikipedians" was uncivil as it was obviously directed at me. --Crossmr 22:42, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks from Yanksox

Hey, Osbus/Archive2, thanks for supporting my RfA, with a tally of 104/4/7... I am now an admin!!! I was and still am very flattered by all the kind comments that I recieved, I will also take into account the comments about how I could improve. I guarantee I will try my best to further assist Wikipedia with the mop. Feel free to drop in and say hi or if you need anything. Again, thank you so much! Yanksox 07:46, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Stressbusters

I noticed by your WikiStress that you were feeling very stressed so I just thought I would drop a message. Please leave a message on my talk page if you need any help, cheers —Minun ^Spiderman 10:16, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

WP:REWARD

You state that you want a rock band to come up as a good article. Do you classify Blondie as a rock band? They have many genres. ^_^ Iolakana•T 18:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Thankfully, the article has reached "good article" status. Thanks, Iolakana•T 17:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Lacrosse

I have created a proposal for a new WikiProject about lacrosse, and I thought you might be interested in joining. Please check out the temporary project page at User:MrBoo/WikiProject Lacrosse and sign your name if you are interested.

Thanks --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 02:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Association of Members' Advocates

Hi, you are receiving this message because you have listed yourself as an active member of WP:AMA. If you aren't currently accepting inquiries for AMA, or if you have resigned, please de-list yourself from Wikipedia:AMA Members. If you are still active, please consider tending to any new requests that may appear on Category:AMA Requests for Assistance. We're going to put AMA on wheels. :) Sorry for the template spamming - we're just trying to update our records, after we had a huge backlog earlier in the week (if you've been taking cases, then sorry, and please ignore this :)). Again, sorry, and thanks! Martinp23 21:08, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Hi Osbus, and thanks for the nomination and your participation at the recent RfA, which did not succeed. For those of you who expressed their support, your kind words and your trust are sincerely appreciated. For those who were opposed --especially those who offered their constructive criticism-- please accept this message as assurance that equally sincere efforts, aimed at enhancing the quality and accuracy of representations within the Wikipedia, will continue. Striving for improved collaboration and consensus will also continue, with all of your insights in mind, while applying NPOV ideals as fairly and reasonably as possible. Ombudsman 04:40, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Concordia

You are officially still a councilor. I am considering boosting the organization back up again, so could you please let me know if you would be active and prepared to assume this role. Thanks! Ian¹³/t 22:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Concordia Newsletter

NEWSLETTER

Concordia is currently trying to relaunch. I, and all the members of the ex-council, wish to welcome new members to the group. We are a group who aim to promote remaining civil, in an environment where messages can easily be interpretated wrongly.

Help out now!

• Try and help people remain civil! Talk to them, and help them in any way possible. Do not be afraid to use the talk page.
• Give people the Civility Barnstar.
• Make and spread some Wikitokens so people know there are people to help if they want assistance.
• Add banners or logos to your userpage to show your support.
• Suggest some ideas! Add 'em to the talk page.

We are a community, so can only work though community contributions and support. It's the helping that counts.

Decision Making

The council expired one month ago, but due to the current position of the group the current council will remain until the position of the group can be assessed, and whether it would be sensible to keep Concordia going. For most decisions, however, it will be decided by all who choose to partake in discussions. I am trying to relaunch because of the vast amounts of new members we have received, demonstrating that the aims are supported.

If you wish to opt of of further talk-page communications, just let us know here.

- Ian¹³/t 20:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC). Kindly delivered by MiszaBot.

WP:ADOPT

Hi there,

Looking through our Archives I saw that you took an interest in the Adopt-a-user program during its formation and development. Well this is just a quick message to tell you the program is well and truly lifted off, with over 200 users involved in the program, 50+ active Adopters and approx. 150 Adoptees, and always expanding. If your still interested please pop by WP:ADOPT, have a look around and ask any questions you want on our talk page. Look forward to seeing you there. Cheers Lethaniol 15:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC)