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Wikipedia and copyright[edit]

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What was removed specifically? Looking at the page now, I don't see any major changes or removals. Obversa (talk) 14:58, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There was some content copied from http://www.bestofsicily.com/heraldry.htm. The paragraph that starts with "In general, heretofore unrecognised noble families...". — Diannaa (talk) 18:38, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

June 2022[edit]

Copyright problem icon Your edit to Eclipse (horse) has been removed in whole or in part, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing. See Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources for more information. — Diannaa (talk) 01:46, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please explain how the article is copyrighted, and what I need to do to use the article as a citation? Thank you. Obversa (talk) 14:57, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Content was copied from this webpage. You can tell that the webpage is copyright because there's a message at the bottom that reads "Equine Chronicle ® All Rights Reserved. Copyright © 2022". It's okay to use the website as a source of information, but it's not okay to copy their prose. The way you cited your source and formatted your citationb was perfect; that's not the issue. — Diannaa (talk) 18:43, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Copying within Wikipedia requires attribution[edit]

Information icon Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you copied or moved text from Thomas de Mowbray, 1st Duke of Norfolk into John de Mowbray, 4th Baron Mowbray. While you are welcome to re-use Wikipedia's content, here or elsewhere, Wikipedia's licensing does require that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied at minimum in an edit summary at the page into which you've copied content, disclosing the copying and linking to the copied page, e.g., copied content from [[page name]]; see that page's history for attribution. It is good practice, especially if copying is extensive, to also place a properly formatted {{copied}} template on the talk pages of the source and destination. Please provide attribution for this duplication if it has not already been supplied by another editor, and if you have copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, you should provide attribution for that also. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Thank you. DanCherek (talk) 22:39, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Added "copied content from Thomas de Mowbray, 1st Duke of Norfolk; see that page's history for attribution" into edit summary. Obversa (talk) 22:53, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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June 2023[edit]

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Can you please point out what the public domain content is? I made several edits to that page. Obversa (talk) 21:34, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This document is in the public domain. It is marked as "This work is written by (a) US Government employee(s) and is in the public domain in the US." — Ninja Diannaa (Talk) 04:41, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I'm still trying to learn the more intermediate and advanced aspects of being a Wikipedia contributor. Obversa (talk) 18:00, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Can you please explain what the copyrighted material was? I made several edits to that page. Obversa (talk) 21:33, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I removed copyright material copied from this page. You can view the overlapping content by going to the CopyPatrol report and clicking on the iThenticate link. — Ninja Diannaa (Talk) 04:43, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I'm still trying to learn the more intermediate and advanced aspects of being a Wikipedia contributor. Obversa (talk) 17:59, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for letting me know. I will remove the link. Obversa (talk) 16:32, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

September 2023[edit]

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I'm confused. What copyright material did I post? And why is this my "final warning"? Looking back on my talk page, I've only had one other warning for 2023, so saying "this is your final warning" seems excessive. Obversa (talk) 00:41, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Therew was some content copied from https://www.eurodressage.com/index.php/2010/10/22/jubilee-post-war-dressage-hero; the description of the horse. And no, you do not get to make a certain number of copyright violations per year. Final warning stands. — Diannaa (talk) 02:19, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"And no, you do not get to make a certain number of copyright violations per year. Final warning stands." Is a rude response, especially how you phrased it. Not everyone makes edits in bad faith, or with malicious intents, but you're acting here like I'm trying to manipulate you or something here. Can you please be a little nicer to newer users who may not be as familiar with the platform as a Wikipedia veteran or admin is? Obversa (talk) 17:18, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Also forgot to link to this article: Wikipedia:Assume good faith Obversa (talk) 17:27, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of American Sugarbush Harlequin Draft for deletion[edit]

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Why should this page be deleted when I spent an entire day writing and editing it? I vote against it. There needs to be a good reason for deleting something another user spent lots of hours and hard work on. Obversa (talk) 15:19, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As an update, after seeing the edit and Talk page history, I retract my statement above, and agree with the page deletion. Obversa (talk) 16:44, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Lennox 1st Duke of Richmond[edit]

Why did you remove the original Coat of arms that depicted a inescutcheon with three buckles? Your description says it was before his mother became Duke of Aubigny, but why is that relevant to what his coat of arms should look like now? (Also do you know where I can find a reliable primary or secondary source of what his Coat of Arn looked like?) Wogmath (talk) 09:28, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for reaching out to me on this issue. According to the sources I could find in print and online, sources indicated that the escutcheon of pretence with the three buckles for the Duke of Aubigny was added to the coat-of-arms for the grandson of Charles Lennox, 1st Duke of Richmond - Charles Lennox, 3rd Duke of Richmond - as opposed to the 1st Duke. This was also later confirmed with cross-referencing the coat-of-arms of Louise de Kérouaille, Duchess of Portsmouth, which was recorded and displayed as Barry of 6, Argent and Azure, as opposed to Gules, three Buckles Or. Thus, I updated my file to revise and correct the original error.
The revision history on the file itself also has this note: "Removed escutcheon of pretence for the Dukedom of Aubigny, as that did not appear until the 3rd Duke of Lennox." The original coat-of-arms with the escutcheon of pretence will be re-uploaded as a separate file for Charles Lennox, 3rd Duke of Richmond. Obversa (talk) 16:43, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Aw that stinks, I was making a redesign for the flag of Staten Island as a fun project and wanted to display the Buckles on the flag in reference to Charles Lennox, since his namesake is why it’s called Richmond County, but I guess I will do something else since it wouldn’t be accurate. 2A01:73C0:66E:9F9A:4DFD:C496:68DF:F13 (talk) 17:42, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You may still include the Gules, three Buckles Or if it suits you, as Richmond County, New York is still named for the Duke of Richmond, a title not just held by Charles Lennox, 1st Duke of Richmond, but also his subsequent male heirs. However, you may want to clarify that the coat of arms for the Dukedom of Aubigny was not added until the Charles Lennox, 3rd Duke of Richmond was confirmed by King Louis XVI of France and the Kingdom of France to have inherited the Duchy from his great-grandmother, Louise de Kérouaille, Duchess of Portsmouth, who was also Duchess of Aubigny, in 1777. However, as the Province of New York declared its independence from the Kingdom of Great Britain in 1776 with the Declaration of Independence, I would advise against using Gules, three Buckles Or on the flag of Staten Island, as was awarded to the 3rd Duke of Richmond one year after New York declared its independence. However, as the 3rd Duke supported the colonists in the American Revolutionary War, you might include his coat of arms with the explanation that he supported independence. Obversa (talk) 23:21, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much, also do you happen to know what the significance of three buckles are as supposed to any other amount? 2A01:73C0:66E:7C54:3839:AC90:ABF6:DE82 (talk) 08:25, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. After consulting with the r/heraldry Discord on Reddit: "Three is one of the common numbers of compact charges to put on arms; I'd assume it was that." According to the 1420 armorial "PETITJEAN DE MARANSANGE - Dictionnaire des familles du Berry", the coat of arms of Gules, three Buckles Or appears to be simplified version of the coat of arms of the earlier Stuart Lords of Aubigny: "Stuart of Aubigny, lords of Darnley in Scotland, Concressault, Aubigny, le Crote, in Berry, Comtes de Beaumont-de-Roger (Eure): Quarterly, 1&4 France with a bordure gules charged with eight Buckles Or; 2&3 a fess chequy of three argent and azure; a bordure engrailed gules. Overall argent a saltire gules cantonned by four quatrefoils of the same." This coat of arms was held by the previous title holder, Charles Stewart, 3rd Duke of Richmond, also 11th Lord of Aubigny (died 1672). Obversa (talk) 23:32, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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AGF[edit]

Information icon Welcome to Wikipedia. Editors are expected to treat each other with respect and civility. On this encyclopedia project, editors assume good faith while interacting with other editors. Polygnotus (talk) 07:53, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not comment on my User talk page during an ongoing page deletion dispute (Horsemanship of Ulysses S. Grant). Thank you. Obversa (talk) 16:18, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"voting"[edit]

Hello. Note that your 'Keep' !vote at the U.S. Grant horsemanship page is tucked well into your comment so the closer may miss it, best to put the 'Keep' or 'Delete' at or near the front of comments. Some closers are quick to scan deletion requests and have been known to miss things in the past. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:20, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Randy Kryn: they !voted Strong Keep and its the first two words of their comment. Polygnotus (talk) 14:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, you're right. What I was noticing was the second boldfaced Keep, which really shouldn't be boldfaced as the second mention of 'Keep' as it may confuse the closer (as it did me). Randy Kryn (talk) 14:25, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Randy Kryn: Shit, I was the one who messed it up. My bad. Facepalm Facepalm I tried to fix the doublevote but I didn't do it in the most elegant way. Polygnotus (talk) 14:41, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I'll see your facepalm and raise you a double-facepalm. Since we are facepalming here, hello Obversa, and good to have you editing. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:44, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Randy, please do not respond to the other user, they keep posting potentially harassing comments on my User talk page and the deletion discussion page over on Horsemanship of Ulysses S. Grant. Thank you. Obversa (talk) 16:20, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Polygnotus, Please do not comment on my User talk page during an ongoing page deletion dispute (Horsemanship of Ulysses S. Grant). Thank you. Obversa (talk) 16:18, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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