User talk:Nua eire

Changing the Ireland charts

Hi. Whatever your issue with the site used for the Irish charts is, this doesn't work and isn't helpful. Ireland2 does not use the date= parameter, so you have only just changed the type of album chart used, not actually linked correctly to IRMA's website or anything else. Please don't make any more edits changing Ireland3 to Ireland2 without learning what Ireland2 uses for its parameters (it actually uses artist=, as in the artist's name). The OCC has the license to display the top 50 of Ireland's charts, I really don't see your issue. Their website is more easily navigable than IRMA's, which is outdated and one has to navigate drop-down menus to find older charts, which cannot be linked to using a different URL. That's why OCC's website has been used (for the top 50 of the charts) for the last few years. Ss112 01:28, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

OCC is still incorrect regardless. I actually don’t care at this point. It’s obvious some users on wiki would prefer to provide false information as IRMA is the legitimate body responsible and the correct reference. If you and others want to use OCC go for it and continue to use incorrect references. Nua eire (talk) 11:18, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

What is "incorrect" about it? I told you, and it is quite clear if anybody looks at the top 50 of the Irish singles and albums charts, that it is identical on both IRMA and OCC's websites. So how is it incorrect? Regardless of who compiles the charts, you even acknowledged at Wikipedia talk:Record charts that IRMA has a deal with the OCC for the OCC to publish the top 50 of its charts on its own website. A licensing deal for another chart publisher to publish the charts does not make them "incorrect", it makes them fine to cite. There is zero issue with using the OCC if the OCC has a license to republish the chart. Editors also still cite IRMA, you know. I really think you're just blatantly misusing the term "incorrect". You've said in edit summaries "using the OCC is just factually incorrect". How? Also, nobody is "providing false information". The chart positions are. The. Same. Ss112 12:49, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

I’m not interested in discussing this any further. For the last time IRMA is the copyright holder and the actual organization for chart positions in Ireland. IRMA is the correct reference. The same way SENP is the correct reference for chart positions in France, even though OCC complied the French charts on behalf of SENP. OCC contract with IRMA end this year so hopefully people will go back to using IRMA (the correct reference ;) Nua eire (talk) 13:26, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

It doesn't matter. The OCC has a license to display the charts and so it is fine to cite. The OCC's republishing of the French charts would also be fine to cite as they clearly have a license to display those too. You are allowed to prefer the original website, but you are not allowed to incorrectly change templates and break links. Thank you. Ss112 00:21, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

🥱 Nua eire (talk) 08:16, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Accusations of Bullying

A polite reminder about assuming good faith. Please do not accuse others (or wide groups of editors) about wide-scale bullying and personal attacks as you have done here. You should not assume that because people are disagreeing with you over a particular viewpoint, or in one editor's case asking you if you are more concerned about national pride due to an association you may have with editing Ireland-based topics, that you are being bullied. No one has used derogatory language or offensive terms in this discussion against you or anyone else where the topic has been discussed. Accusations can stick like mud and damage the whole community - please try to stick to the facts and merits of the points being discussed as opposed to individuals' conduct unless there is a clear and unequivocal malice or in appropriate behaviour. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 21:58, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Do not communicate with me going forward. I have no interest in this topic and communicating with you going forward. Nua eire (talk) 22:00, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

No need to be so blunt - however, if you're going to accuse me of being part of a conversation where you are "bullied" then please expect to be called out and give examples. You can't drop bombs like that on talkpages and then say "I don't want to talk to the editors I am accusing". Understood - I'll not post on here about this issue again. But if you don't withdraw or substantiate your comments on the chosen talkpage then please expect others might call you out too. Assuming good faith applies both ways. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 22:03, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Firstly I never said you are bullying me or mentioned you. I apologize if you thought I meant you, I have never communicated with you before today, I was referring to another user. Secondly, I have acted in good faith from day one since using this platform regularly over the last 15 years and the level of criticism I am getting from one user is beyond a joke. There’s helpful criticism and then there’s criticism that is aimed to put someone down and one particular user is doing this. Again apologies if you thought I was referring to you I was not. Nua eire (talk) 22:08, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Apology accepted. And I'm sorry to hear you are getting criticism from someone. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 22:14, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for accepting >> Nua eire (talk) 22:16, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

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