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Articles for deletion nomination of Clayton Zelin[edit]

I have nominated Clayton Zelin, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clayton Zelin. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

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Hello Mscdpanda3, I cleaned up the formatting of Clayton Zelin a little bit. Your first few articles can be a trying time, especially when you are bright and shiny new to Wikipedia. I'm not really into American soccer to be of much help beyond formatting things. I hope what i did helps a little. If you can find more news coverage instead of relying on team stats pages that would really help.

Also, articles are not supposed to have {{helpme}} tags on them. The help tag is for use here on your user talk page. If you have any more questions please feel free to ask me on my talk page (click the "~hugs~") or here. delirious & lost ☯ ^~hugs~ 06:53, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ATHLETE is the criteria that you need to meet for an article on Mr Zelin. The requirement for "People who have competed at the fully professional level of a sport" might be do-able but i do not understand the various levels of professionalism in American soccer. I am also having a hard time finding what his current team is. If he is still playing for Real Colorado then that is not a pro league. If he is playing for Colorado Lightning then that is a pro league team. The fun of outdoor vs indoor soccer :D The other, and primary, requirement is "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject." What that means is newspaper articles, articles in magazine relating to US soccer (i'm not sure if there are any) or articles in mainstream publications such as TIME or Rolling Stone. Searching on Google News is a great first step but Google doesn't have everything. If you live in the Denver area and there has been coverage in local papers or magazines you can cite those as well. The articles need to be more than "Zelin scored the winning goal" in their coverage of him. Here is the Google News search results for recent coverage. And some good news, while i was writing this there has been one vote cast in favour of keeping the article.

I am trying here. If you ever need help with tv shows or less-than-uber-famous musicians then i can be of much more help. delirious & lost ☯ ^~hugs~ 10:11, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

HelpMe[edit]

{{helpme}} Hi. I'm tlping this request since there is no question. If you have any questions, please post it here together with the helpme template. Happy editing! Bejinhan Talk 06:00, 27 February 2010 (UTC) {{helpme}}I wrote an article that is up for deletion, I included 9 references to make i legit. Wikipedia has Clayton Zelin mentioned in several U.S. Soccer teams, but doesn't have an article explaining more about him. He is currently listed under Real Colorado Foxes, Colorado Lightning and Colorado predators on wikipedia. I tried to write an article talking about him since he played NCAA division 1 soccer at Georgia Southern University and has played for New Orleans, Colorado Blizzard, Ogden Outlaws, Colorado Predators, Colorado Lightning, Real Colorado Foxes and played Reserve games for the Colorado Rapids in 2009,2010, and 2011 how can we get this published —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mscdpanda3 (talk • contribs) 06:00, 1 March 2010[reply]

Please direct your comments to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clayton Zelin, as that is where the deletion discussion is to take place. You are welcome to add your comments. The person who nominated the article believes that it doesn't meet the notability guidelines for biographies, which can be found here. --Nick—^Contact/_Contribs 09:16, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, I have reviewed the article and since I think it meets the notability guidelines, I have voted to keep the article. See the discussion page linked above. --Nick—^Contact/_Contribs 09:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

{{helpme}} I had written an article Clayton Zelin, but it was deleted because, MLS reserves and Professional Indoor league were not seen as a pro league. Clayton Zelin has now signed with Phoenix FC in the USL PRO league as #32. Here is the link to the roster, please help put this back together. Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).http://www.uslsoccer.com/scripts/runisa.dll?M2:gp:908940.8691:72011+Elements/Display+E+47116+Player/+58092992+58092651+7005504 Mscdpanda3Mscdpanda3 (talk) 18:47, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Clayton Zelin[edit]

The article Clayton Zelin has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league.

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Nomination of Clayton Zelin for deletion[edit]

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I had written an article Clayton Zelin, but it was deleted because, MLS reserves and Professional Indoor league were not seen as a pro league. Clayton Zelin has now signed with Phoenix FC in the USL PRO league as #32. Here is the link to the roster, please help put this back together. http://www.uslsoccer.com/scripts/runisa.dll?M2:gp:908940.8691:72011+Elements/Display+E+47116+Player/+58092992+58092651+7005504 Mscdpanda3Mscdpanda3 (talk) 18:47, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Mscdpanda3, I see that Clayton Zelin plays for the Real Colorado Foxes, and that team ins in the USL Premier Development League, that league isn't fully professional as per the guidelines used for soccer/football players, within the United States only Major League Soccer, North American Soccer League, and USL Pro are considered fully professional (there are also some defunct leagues). I am afraid the article will meet the same fate if it is recreated. Let me know if you have any questions. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 07:20, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Teahouse talkback: you've got messages![edit]

Hello, Mscdpanda3. Your question has been answered at the Teahouse Q&A board. Feel free to reply there!
Please note that all old questions are archived after 2-3 days of inactivity. Message added by NtheP (talk) 17:39, 12 July 2013 (UTC). (You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{teahouse talkback}} template).[reply]

Hi Kelapstick, That is what I am saying, he (Robert "Clayton" Zelin III) previously played for the REAL COLORADO FOXES, but now plays for PHOENIX FC Wolves in USL PRO. I am trying to get the article back on with the fact that he is signed with Phoenix FC. Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).http://www.uslsoccer.com/teams/2013/58092992.html#ROSTER Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).http://www.azcentral.com/insiders/odeendomingofc/2013/07/10/phoenix-fc-send-gk-andrew-weber-to-seattle-sounders-fc-recieve-gk-on-loan-from-real-salt-lake-sign-defender-updates-injuries-and-more/ I am looking for help to get the original article back with this information. Mscdpanda3Mscdpanda3 (talk) 21:46, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I see what you mean, but the requirement is that he has played, which it looks like he hasn't (he doesn't have a number on the Phoenix FC page). I am not a expert on soccer, but you may be able to get some more specific answers at WT:FOOTY, they should be able to speak to the requirements better than I can. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 22:04, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the help, I just looked on the site it says he is #32, so not sure why when you looked there wasnt one. He was also listed on the 18 man roster for last nights game vs Antigua. I may just restart a new article to get it back up. What are your thoughts on that? mscdpanda3Mscdpanda3 (talk) 22:09, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]