User talk:Melesse/Archive 22

Speedy deletion of File:0782009859.01. SS500 SCLZZZZZZZ .jpg

A tag has been placed on File:0782009859.01. SS500 SCLZZZZZZZ .jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section I1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the image is an unused redundant copy (all pixels the same or scaled down) of an image in the same file format, which is on Wikipedia (not on Commons), and all inward links have been updated.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on [[ Talk:File:0782009859.01. SS500 SCLZZZZZZZ .jpg|the talk page]] explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Dvdplr (talk) 22:45, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

The Secret of Chimneys

Thanks for your assistance with the two pieces of cover art for Agatha Christie's The Secret of Chimneys; as you can probably tell, I'm not experienced in these matters and I appreciate your bringing the illustration more in line with Wikipedia's guidelines. However, I think the accompanying matter now references a different book cover; the first edition by Bodley Head, rather than information about the first US paperback from Dell, which is actually what this illustration is. Is it all right if I change it to correct information? I appreciate that you've deleted a lot of extraneous material and I'll try to keep it brief, but I think it should be corrected. Accounting4Taste:talk 00:00, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:GermanBowllogo.png)

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Orphaned non-free media (File:Bvcp28105pc3.jpg.jpg)

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Orphaned non-free media (File:Under My Skin DualDisk.jpg)

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Orphaned non-free media (File:Under My Skin Special Edition.jpg)

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File:China H-bomb 1967.jpg not replaceable

How exactly do you propose we send someone back in time to 1967 to take a freely licensed photograph of a Chinese nuclear weapons test, undertaken in the middle of their high security test site, at a time that Westerners weren't allowed in that part of the country much and when the US basically had no diplomatic relations with them?

This tag was nonsensical... Historical event photos aren't replaceable by definition, and they're a clearly marked exception to the usual policy. Please pay a bit more attention... Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 18:09, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

And how exactly does a fair use photo of a mushroom cloud contribute to a reader's understanding any better than the several freely licensed ones on the same page? I'm referring to its use in Teller–Ulam design and History of the Teller–Ulam design. Maybe you're the one who should pay a bit more attention. Melesse (talk) 02:28, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

You might have a case that it's not sufficiently historically relevant on the Teller-Ulam design page, which has plenty of other examples. That is an arguable case - one I disagree with, but one you could at least explain. It is properly labeled with a rationale for that, and you would need to justify why that's not appropriate in more detail.

However, it's clearly relevant on the Chinese nuclear test No. 6 page (the article on the test itself) and on History of the Teller–Ulam design, as the first Chinese hydrogen bomb detonation. Those are appropriate, properly labeled as far as I can tell, and entirely justify not removing the image.

If you feel that it's not appropriate for Teller-Ulam design then argue that case. That argument does not support using the "Delete me in seven days" tag on the image, given that it's in clearly valid use in two other pages.

Look... I've been around slightly longer than you have, and I've been an administrator about twice as long. I don't spend my days living and breathing image issues like you do, but I was very active in the policy evolution that got the fair use policy where it is now and I know it pretty darn well. I know what's ok in fair use and what isn't. I would not have pushed back on this if it wasn't appropriate, covered under policy, and historically relevant.

Please don't use that tag on articles which do have any legitimate fair uses on other articles. You have to know that bots then run around and delete the image. That would be grossly inappropriate in this case.

I know that managing fair use violations and copyright violations are a big deal. I've spent my time doing that in the deeper past, and it's a pain in the ass. But this one's legit. Please be more careful.

Thank you. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 07:34, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

"You have to know that bots then run around and delete the image. That would be grossly inappropriate in this case." It is my impression that a human/group of humans does all the deletions in the replaceable fair use category. Which one is the bot? Melesse (talk) 01:07, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. Now that I think about it, it was Betacommandbot that was auto-doing it earlier, if I remember right, and I think there was discussion of someone else doing it after he got banned. So I may be wrong on that point. Will doublecheck. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:26, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:075351179DoSheepShrinkInTheRainBookCover.jpg)

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