User talk:LindsayRS

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Speedy deletion of DataWeb Corporation

A tag has been placed on DataWeb Corporation, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam as well as Wikipedia:FAQ/Business for more information.

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Hi, out there. I need an editor to take a look at the following draft article subpage. The article concerns a Seattle company, DataWeb Corporation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:LindsayRS/DataWeb_Corporation_Article

I did some minor consulting work for this company a while back. (Yes, I know that's a probable COI.) But I thought they deserved a Wikipedia article because DataWeb was the first company to offer a Platform as a Service (PaaS).

My first draft of the article got rejected for too much advertising of the products. I have tried in this draft to give only brief descriptions of the company's web applications without advertising them.

Please let me know if this article stub would meet the criteria for inclusion on Wikipedia. (I've cited one reference article. I'm afraid I wasn't able to find any more.)

I'll have a look. DOUBLEBLUE (talk) 19:09, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

It looks good from "not being advertising" perspective but I fear it still fails Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Without enough WP:Reliable sources, there is too much danger of not meeting the Core content policies of Verifiability, Neutral point of view, and No original research. I suggest that you find an independent reliable source that discusses the company before moving it to article space. Cheers! DOUBLEBLUE (talk) 19:18, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, DoubleBlue. Now I have one more question. Throughout Wikipedia, I have found numerous company profiles of software companies like DataWeb where the articles do not cite any references other than the company web site. Here are a few examples.

Journyx -- Cites only one reference article, as does my DataWeb article.

Mamut -- Cites only the company's quarterly report.

Metriq -- Cites only the company web site, but has been tagged by Wikipedia

Orc Software -- Cites only the company web site

My question is, if I were to post the DataWeb Corporation article now, would it be removed in a few hours? Or would it just be tagged as lacking references?

What is the "statute of limitations for articles tagged as having no references? How many days, weeks, months will a tagged article stay up before it is removed? (The MetriQ article was tagged in May, 2008 but is still up.)

I ask these questions because I might be able to provide further references for the DataWeb article in the coming months. So it might work to try to post the DataWeb article on Wikipedia now (if it will stay up), and add those references to the article later. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LindsayRS (talk • contribs) 21:14, 20 November 2008

Well, there is no exact time rule. It depends on the editors' judgements who see the article. It could be tagged and lay around for a long time, it may be tagged and then corrected or tagged for deletion in short order, it may be deleted very quickly under the WP:CSD#A7 as an article that clearly does not meet WP:CORP. The examples you cite above show the somewhat random nature of when a volunteer happens to see them and decide to enforce policies. If you are determined to post it before having significant sources, I would ensure that you include a statement that it is notable as the first company to offer a Platform as a Service, as you stated here. That may (or may not) persuade editors who see the article that it should be given time to establish the required references. Regards, DOUBLEBLUE (talk) 23:07, 20 November 2008 (UTC)