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Wikidata weekly summary #157

Template:XXXX stations

You obviously don't know that these templates usually come in groups that may include {{XXXX lines}}, {{XXXX station}}, {{XXXX color}} and {{XXXX style}}. The ones you have nominated for deletion probably have related templates that should also be deleted. Secondarywaltz (talk) 15:41, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

@Secondarywaltz: I know the templates are used in groups; I just didn't occur to me to nominate the rest of the templates in the groups as well. Thanks for reminding me though. Jc86035 (talkcontribs) Use {{re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 06:41, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Sorry. I assumed, because you had ignored them, you were unaware of how they worked together. Thanks for the cleanup. Secondarywaltz (talk) 13:59, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #158

Template:Infobox Taiwan station

Any idea what the Bopomofo in Template:Infobox Taiwan station/testcases (scroll to the bottom) is for? Alakzi (talk) 18:00, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

It appears they used to be used internally as part of a standard phraseology or somesuch, but were phased out at some point in the past - see zh:國音電報. I'm not sure if any part of the TRA section needs to be kept. Alakzi (talk) 20:51, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
@Alakzi: Given that it seems to be no longer in use, it should probably be removed, especially given that there is also a numbered station code. Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use {{re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 08:56, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Quite so. Perhaps we could place the TRA "level" in |category=, and with "mileage" in |distance=, we've got everything covered. Alakzi (talk) 10:37, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
@Alakzi: Sounds great. Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use {{re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 10:42, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
I was about three-quarters in when I noticed I'd had a space before the line list's first item, but other than that, the replacement of it went smoothly. Alakzi (talk) 21:49, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #159

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Hi Jc86035. Any idea what a "bus rotary" is? Check the values of |bus=. If you could also review my wrapper in the sandbox, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. Alakzi (talk) 17:55, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps it means "bus loop"? Secondarywaltz (talk) 18:02, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
That would make sense. We should sort these out before substituting the infobox. Alakzi (talk) 19:23, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
@Alakzi: I'm not really sure what "bus rotary" means, although the version of the bus services switch at {{Infobox Japan station}} suggests it means a route terminates at the bus stop. The wrapper is quite good, although I'm not sure if "Station"/「站」 should be kept in the title while it isn't kept in the title in most other places. I've also added the |operator2= header to {{Infobox station/sandbox2}} (it needs a little bit of fixing-up), but it's neither in the main {{Infobox station}} template nor in {{Infobox China station/sandbox}}. Jc86035 (talk | contribs) Use {{re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 09:41, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. |operator2= could be accommodated in |type= or |symbol= - or am I missing something? Also, I'm not quite sure what the |station_code= is - atonal Pinyin? Alakzi (talk) 10:04, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
@Alakzi: That's what |station_code= seems to be; it should probably have tones added. Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use {{re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 10:14, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Are we ready to substitute this one? Alakzi (talk) 13:57, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

@Alakzi: No, not yet. I haven't added all of the logos to {{Rail-interchange}} yet (since I'm adding them along with the {{China line}} links) but I can add all the logo symbols first if necessary. (Side note – the sandbox currently uses |symbol3=, which doesn't currently exist in the live version of {{Infobox station}}, but the sandbox of {{Infobox station}} has it since I converted it to use a module for the symbols. Could you help merge the sandbox code to the main template? Thanks.) Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use {{re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 14:01, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
These icons have been causing quite a stir, so I think it would be better if you were to open an edit request and I let someone else do it. Alakzi (talk) 14:11, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Template deletion nomination

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You say "legend3" is redundant to "Color box". I use this template to show football team colors. Color box is too large to use for this purpose. Delete Color box instead. First you have put "See TfD" notice before all legends, then someone has broken the collapsible feature of the collapsible box. My pages look terrible. Red_devil_41 (talk) 18:16, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

@Red devil 41: I've put the TfD notice in <noinclude> tags so that it doesn't display in transclusions. The collapsible tables not working seems to have been a server error; I experienced this as well and there's a thread at the village pump about it, but it looks like it's gone now. I'm not sure how {{Colorbox}} would be too large for your purposes, since the only visible differences of {{Legend3}} are that it's slightly thinner and that the text is too small. Can you give me an example of a page where replacement of {{Legend3}} with {{Colorbox}} or {{Color box}} would make it look worse? Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use {{re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 04:28, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

For example; if legend3 is used:

00 Xxxxx 0000 Round 1 Team One    0 – 0    Team Two Xxxxxx Stadium, X City
Sunday, 00:00 Xxxxx Xxxxxx 00'
Xxxxxxx Xxxxxx Yellow card 00'
Report 00' Xxxxx Xxxxxx
Yellow card 00' Xxxxx Xxxxxxx
Referee: Xxxxx Xxxxxx

Or, if color box is used:

00 Xxxxx 0000 Round 1 Team One    0 – 0    Team Two Xxxxxx Stadium, X City
Sunday, 00:00 Xxxxx Xxxxxx 00'
Xxxxxxx Xxxxxx Yellow card 00'
Report 00' Xxxxx Xxxxxx
Yellow card 00' Xxxxx Xxxxxxx
Referee: Xxxxx Xxxxxx

In football boxes; national flags are used to indicate national football teams. For club teams however, team coat of arms are not allowed to use. Instead, I thought, team colors are relevant. Team colors are considered as inseparable parts of football teams. When "color box" is used, the result is something larger than flags. Although it was not in exact dimensions, "legend3" fits better.

Thank you for your reply and interest. have a good time. Red_devil_41 (talk) 21:02, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Jc. I'm wondering if you could explain the slightly odd interface of Module:Rail-interchange multi (slashes and pluses) - I assume this is to facilitate specifying multiple symbols for location X without having to repeat location X? I wonder if there's a way to make it less opaque. Alakzi (talk) 10:29, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

@Alakzi: The reason it works like that is a legacy of Sameboat's sandbox module, which he suggested to me back in February would be useful for displaying multiple symbols in {{Infobox station}}. That module (which creates a table, like this one) uses newlines for the separator between each row, but since the implementation in {{Infobox station}} uses the #if parser function (which, as you probably know, would make the separator not work) I changed it to use plus signs. Since I don't really know how to write Lua code, improving it would best be left to someone who knows how to write Lua better than I can. (The current approach, however, has the advantages of (in doublerow) easily allowing the first symbol instead of the last to be in the middle if there is an odd number of symbols, and allowing more than one parameter to be passed through to {{rint}} through |symbol= of {{Infobox station}}.) Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use {{re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 10:39, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
OK. This is only going to be used internally in {{Infobox station}}, correct? If so, we can revisit the interface if it ever becomes an issue. Honestly, I don't think that faux-tables are at all necessary here; the symbols could simply be divided by a linebreak. Alakzi (talk) 15:03, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #3—2015

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Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has created new interfaces for the link and citation tools, as well as fixing many bugs and changing some elements of the design. Some of these bugs affected users of VisualEditor on mobile devices. Status reports are posted on Mediawiki.org. The worklist for April through June is available in Phabricator.

A test of VisualEditor's effect on new editors at the English Wikipedia has just completed the first phase. During this test, half of newly registered editors had VisualEditor automatically enabled, and half did not. The main goal of the study is to learn which group was more likely to save an edit and to make productive, unreverted edits. Initial results will be posted at Meta later this month.

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Auto-fill features for citations are available at a few Wikipedias through the citoid service. Citoid takes a URL or DOI for a reliable source, and returns a pre-filled, pre-formatted bibliographic citation. If Citoid is enabled on your wiki, then the design of the citation workflow changed during May. All citations are now created inside a single tool. Inside that tool, choose the tab you want (⧼citoid-citeFromIDDialog-mode-auto⧽, ⧼citoid-citeFromIDDialog-mode-manual⧽, or ⧼citoid-citeFromIDDialog-mode-reuse⧽). The cite button is now labeled with the word "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽" rather than a book icon, and the autofill citation dialog now has a more meaningful label, "⧼Citoid-citeFromIDDialog-lookup-button⧽", for the submit button.

The link tool has been redesigned based on feedback from Wikipedia editors and user testing. It now has two separate sections: one for links to articles and one for external links. When you select a link, its pop-up context menu shows the name of the linked page, a thumbnail image from the linked page, Wikidata's description, and/or appropriate icons for disambiguation pages, redirect pages and empty pages. Search results have been reduced to the first five pages. Several bugs were fixed, including a dark highlight that appeared over the first match in the link inspector (T98085).  

The special character inserter in VisualEditor now uses the same special character list as the wikitext editor. Admins at each wiki can also create a custom section for frequently used characters at the top of the list. Please read the instructions for customizing the list at mediawiki.org. Also, there is now a tooltip to describing each character in the special character inserter (T70425).

Several improvements have been made to templates. When you search for a template to insert, the list of results now contains descriptions of the templates. The parameter list inside the template dialog now remains open after inserting a parameter from the list, so that users don’t need to click on "⧼visualeditor-dialog-transclusion-add-param⧽" each time they want to add another parameter (T95696). The team added a new property for TemplateData, "Example", for template parameters. This optional, translatable property will show up when there is text describing how to use that parameter (T53049).

The design of the main toolbar and several other elements have changed slightly, to be consistent with the MediaWiki theme. In the Vector skin, individual items in the menu are separated visually by pale gray bars. Buttons and menus on the toolbar can now contain both an icon and a text label, rather than just one or the other. This new design feature is being used for the cite button on wikis where the Citoid service is enabled.

The team has released a long-desired improvement to the handling of non-existent images. If a non-existent image is linked in an article, then it is now visible in VisualEditor and can be selected, edited, replaced, or removed.

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Wikidata weekly summary #161

Vancouver SkyTrain stations

I don't know why you are adding symbols to Vancouver SkyTrain stations? Please show me where this exists in the real world. Secondarywaltz (talk) 13:06, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

@Secondarywaltz: I didn't add them originally; I just moved them from |type=, which is where Northwest put them, to the built-in symbol parameters. The logo appears to be displayed on station entrance signage. Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use {{re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 13:08, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
Where? I don't see it in any pictures or on the website. Secondarywaltz (talk) 13:10, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
@Secondarywaltz: Some stations (Stadium–Chinatown) seem to have it, but the newer stations on the Canada Line (Broadway–City Hall) look like they don't. I don't think it's really necessary though (since |type= already has "SkyTrain station"); should it be removed? Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use {{re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 13:17, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. I could not find it in widespread use. If a logo had been in station articles before then it could have been updated, but in this application I agree that it is probably just decorative and redundant. Secondarywaltz (talk) 13:21, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #162

Singapore Train Distruptions

Since train distruptions in Singapore is common, is it okay to create a page for that. Just today, train service were already distrupted after a train fault. MarcusCheeKJ (talk) 05:29, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #163

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Template talk:Infobox television. Legobot (talk) 00:08, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #164

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. Legobot (talk) 00:08, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Station layout templates

I just closed this discussion, so it would be great if you could help with replacing the templates. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:09, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Please don't forget to update the documentation. (Adding a new parameter is a significant change.) Useddenim (talk) 14:27, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #165

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Template talk:Infobox country. Legobot (talk) 00:04, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Template editor

You're competent to be a template editor. Would you like to apply for the right? Is there anything that worries you? Alakzi (talk) 14:49, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

@Alakzi: I'd be fine with applying for the right, but I don't meet criteria 5 yet and I'd need to avoid screw-ups like this. Also, I'm not really sure what I would be using it for, except maybe adding Module:Unsubst to protected templates and fixing infoboxes affected by the MediaWiki:Common.css edit which left-aligned all the row headers. Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use {{re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 05:14, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #166

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Wikidata weekly summary #167

Wikidata weekly summary #168

Please comment on Talk:Interstellar probe

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Wikidata weekly summary #169

Please comment on Talk:Geology of Pluto

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VisualEditor News #4—2015

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The team attended Wikimania 2015 in Mexico City. There they participated in the Hackathon and met with individuals and groups of users. They also made several presentations about VisualEditor and the future of editing.

Following Wikimania, we announced winners for the VisualEditor 2015 Translathon. Our thanks and congratulations to users Halan-tul, Renessaince, जनक राज भट्ट (Janak Bhatta), Vahe Gharakhanyan, Warrakkk, and Eduardogobi.

For interface messages (translated at translatewiki.net), we saw the initiative affecting 42 languages. The average progress in translations across all languages was 56.5% before the translathon, and 78.2% after (+21.7%). In particular, Sakha improved from 12.2% to 94.2%; Brazilian Portuguese went from 50.6% to 100%; Taraškievica went from 44.9% to 85.3%; Doteli went from 1.3% to 41.2%. Also, while 1.7% of the messages were outdated across all languages before the translathon, the percentage dropped to 0.8% afterwards (-0.9%).

For documentation messages (on mediawiki.org), we saw the initiative affecting 24 languages. The average progress in translations across all languages was 26.6% before translathon, and 46.9% after (+20.3%).  There were particularly notable achievements for three languages. Armenian improved from 1% to 99%; Swedish, from 21% to 99%, and Brazilian Portuguese, from 34% to 83%. Outdated translations across all languages were reduced from 8.4% before translathon to 4.8% afterwards (-3.6%).

We published some graphs showing the effect of the event on the Translathon page. Thank you to the translators for participating and the translatewiki.net staff for facilitating this initiative.

Recent improvements

Auto-fill features for citations can be enabled on each Wikipedia. The tool uses the citoid service to convert a URL or DOI into a pre-filled, pre-formatted bibliographic citation. You can see an animated GIF of the quick, simple process at mediawiki.org. So far, about a dozen Wikipedias have enabled the auto-citation tool. To enable it for your wiki, follow the instructions at mediawiki.org.

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In other changes, if you need to fill in a CAPTCHA and get it wrong, then you can click to get a new one to complete. VisualEditor can now display and edit Vega-based graphs. If you use the Monobook skin, VisualEditor's appearance is now more consistent with other software.  

Future changes

The team will be changing the appearance of selected links inside VisualEditor. The purpose is to make it easy to see whether your cursor is inside or outside the link. When you select a link, the link label (the words shown on the page) will be enclosed in a faint box. If you place your cursor inside the box, then your changes to the link label will be part of the link. If you place your cursor outside the box, then it will not. This will make it easy to know when new characters will be added to the link and when they will not.

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