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MtC drive[edit]

Welcome! So the drive has started. Please remember to add yourself to the logs subpage. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 23:36, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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teylers[edit]

Hallo Jane,

here is a page with suggestions for articles which people could create for the teylers challenge, I bet you have lots of suggestions which could be added. Dat zou erg mooi zijn.

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Will do! Jane (talk) 00:13, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Dear Jane023, please keep the civility guidelines in mind, also when you believe some user's edits are "silly". Succes with the Teyler's Museum writing contest. – Editør (talk) 23:54, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize for seeming uncivil. I will keep my replies on the talk page. Jane (talk) 00:26, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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collaborations[edit]

Hi Jane,

is it intentional that it is quite hard to find the 'one-to-one' collaboration page and the photo request page on the Teylers Challenge pages? I had to search quite hard before I figured it out. effeietsanders 10:55, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Lodewijk, I am not even sure I made the 'one-to-one' collaboration page, since I just created the WikiProject based on work that others have done - I assumed the "Challenge" pages were copied from the Derby Museum challenge, but I am not sure about that because I think MaartenD made those. I think the collaboration page is a great idea, and as long as Geert Jan knows how to find it I am unwilling to change it (but I noticed he is getting very proficient at uploading and editting, which is also great). If you have an idea how to make the page more prominent, then go ahead! I must admit that despite my overwhelming knowledge of the English language the jargon around the WikiProject pages on the English Wikipedia regularly baffles me completely. Jane (talk) 10:14, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I was thinking about just adding a tab on the contest page leading to the collaboration page, or alternatively at least very explicitely mention them on the Help page... I agree we shouldn't start moving pages around - but focus on adding links. effeietsanders 10:37, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK I see what you mean and I added the link in two different places and also added a "TO DO" page. See what you think. Do you know how to track the participants? If I have time I will see if I can figure that out too. Jane (talk) 11:38, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

AWB[edit]

Hi Jane

Thanks very much for sorting my AWB request out, very kind of you. Best wishes Mrjohncummings (talk) 10:05, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi John, I am still not convinced that your request is still active, since I am not convinced that KingpinBot is a person who reads their talk page. I think I will also put the same note on the request page again. Jane (talk) 11:41, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

QRpedia[edit]

Thank you for joining WikiProject QRpedia. Have you been able, or do you have plans, to deploy QRpedia anywhere? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:29, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Andy, I am a volunteer at my local history museum and I have been working on them for about a year to use QRpedia, and there are two problems; one is that there is no one in a decision-making capacity with a smart phone, and the other is that we lean heavily on the North Holland archives for background information, and they have implemented QR codes on their own website (all in Dutch) for our use. So far we have only done one exhibition with their QR codes, and I still have not been able to find out what the stats were on those links except that people say "nobody used them". I also haven't been able to explain the difference between QR codes and QRpedia (nobody seems to care that foreigners are unable to understand our stuff, which is still only presented in Dutch). I haven't given up on them though! There is more hope for results in the near future from another project: this year WMNL is working with another local museum (all three institutions are in the same town - Haarlem), the Teylers Museum, and they may use QRpedia codes on specific exhibits after the writing challenge - I believe this is one of the goals of the challenge. Jane (talk) 13:22, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Good luck with that - please let me know if I can help. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:17, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Pix from Philly Museum of Art[edit]

Does the name Het Scheepje mean anything to you? Dirk Dirick? Low light and many bad pix, but I uploaded 2 Smallbones (talk) 22:31, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh that is totally cool - Smallbones, you have made my day. I'll make the article, and you can read it yourself. Excellent pictures, thanks. Jane (talk) 07:58, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Let me know the name of the article! Please see in Dutch and from PMA Smallbones (talk) 14:42, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Teylers Backstage event[edit]

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We hebben het verplaatst naar zaterdag 28 april. En je hebt je zelfs al opgegeven op nl:Wikipedia:Ontmoeten! ;-) Multichill (talk) 19:35, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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In appreciation of your work on Dutch -related articles. Keep em coming! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:30, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! It's always nice to know someone is reading them. Jane (talk) 22:36, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:GLAM/Teylers/Multilingual Challenge[edit]

Hello! I was wandering about the deadline for the writing challenge. It is only specified that it will run until May. Can you help me with a precise data? The end of May, the beginning? Thank you--Istvánka (talk) 20:40, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. Thanks for your query, that is an interesting question, and I will try and find out for you. If you have any kind of time-constraint, please let me know if I can help you with that! The museum has proven again and again to be very helpful in fulfilling all sorts of strange requests! I just sent an email to the organizer - hopefully he knows, because I don't. Jane (talk) 15:10, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your kind help! Well, I really don't have any time-constraints, but I would like to know in order to manage my time, and if it is necessary to allocate more to this project. It would be very usefull to know. Thanks again.--Istvánka (talk) 19:55, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

enddate is 31 may. Geert Jan will update the page to reflect this! Thanks for the tip - I wasn't counting on winning myself, so you can tell I didn't bother checking before. Jane (talk) 17:02, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You are most kind. Thank you! I'm not in for the big prize either, as I won't be anywhere near Haarlem and the Teylers Museum in the foreseable future. I'm in for the fun as I think these GLAM projects are very helpful for Wikipedia as a whole. Thanks again and have a very nice Easter! --Istvánka (talk) 17:34, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

me too! I love Haarlem and the Teylers especially, so it's been fun reading all of the entries so far. I really am looking forward to the edit-a-thon, where I hope to look at some books. Too bad you can't make it, but nice to know you like the Glam projects - are you subscribed to the newsletter? Jane (talk) 15:11, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've visited Haarlem two years ago, and I've visited the museum too. I am not subscribed to the newsletter. How could I? --Istvánka (talk) 17:53, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the link to the GLAM newsletter archives, and on the right there is a subscription link. The March newsletter just came out. You can just keep checking the archives link, but I like to receive the email each month. Jane (talk) 07:05, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Teylers competition was lot of fun, I've learned many interresting news things. Once again thanks for your help and guidance. By the way, will there be any barnstar rewards too? Best regards --Istvánka (talk) 20:06, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Johannes Warnardus Bilders[edit]

I believe the article Johannes Warnardus Bilders should have {{Teylers}} in their talk page. ;-) (Sorry for my bad English...) --Davidpar (talk) 16:45, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done! Jane (talk) 17:45, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What do you think about adding {{Teylers}} also in Willem Anne Lestevenon's talk page? --Davidpar (talk) 16:50, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. He was a member of the society I think and I wanted to look that up. I will go ahead and add him, thanks! Jane (talk) 17:45, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks!!!! --Davidpar (talk) 20:08, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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a somewhat odd compliment, but thanks and OK to the dates& common terms. Jane (talk) 08:18, 30 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Mont Blanc rock[edit]

Hi Jane023,

Thanks for bringing Top of the Mont Blanc to my attention. I was happy to learn about the expedition and display. I edited it to make the English flow better and gave it some structure too. (I think it ought to be "Top of Mont Blanc" rather than "Top of THE Mont Blanc" but can't change the title, although I did create a redirect from "TIP of Mount Blanc".) Also, just wanted to say I spent a long time in the exhibition on Judith Leister in Haarlem a couple of years ago. Loved it. Very impressive artist and very impressive curation. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 01:36, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What a nice note, thanks! I myself was surpised how interested I could be in a rock and was astounded to see the list of equipment they dragged up the mountain (including some fragile glass vacuum equipment to take samples of air). That Judith Leyster exhibit in the Frans Hals Museum really was lovely and I was so happy to see that. Last year that museum underwent a very long closure due to finding asbestos in the roof added in 1913. The expense nearly ruined them altogether, since the city council (whose fault it was) refused to pay. Astoundingly the news has caused a flurry of unexpected donations, and who knows, they may even be able to purchase more Judith Leysters someday! I am hoping they can revive the work of some lesser known female artists from her time, such as Maria de Grebber and Sara Baalbergen, who were her contemporaries in the studio of Pieter de Grebber. Jane (talk) 06:10, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

templates and stuff[edit]

Hey Jane,

as you may have noted, I created List of directors of Teylers Stichting, List of members of Teylers Eerste Genootschap and List of members of Teylers Tweede Genootschap. I'm not sure if you want to add the Teylers templates also to the talkpages of those lists and the people on those lists? effeietsanders 10:10, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Holy smokes, you've been busy I see! Yes definitely and I will add them, thanks. Jane (talk) 10:25, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Please note that most of the people on those lists that are blue, already had an article of their own merit :) Which is not surprising, because not every farmer can become a member of these societies ;) effeietsanders 10:54, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rhijnvis Feith[edit]

Hi Jane,

you added Rhijnvis Feith to the Category:Members of Teylers Eerste Genootschap. Are you certain of this? Asking because he doesn't appear on the list nor is it mentioned in his article. effeietsanders 09:48, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - he was prize winner, not member. Jane (talk) 11:57, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Abraham de Vries (minister)[edit]

Hi Jane,

Thanks a lot for finding this picture! If you happen to be around in the library again, would it be possible to take another picture but then from a bit higher so that the perspective is nicer? Then the picture is probably clearer, and it is more useful even for the article. Thanks! effeietsanders 13:45, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I know, it's a fairly poor picture, but it's the best I could do! I didn't upload it at the time because I felt it wasn't good enough. Someone with a better camera (and a higher reach) needs to retake this picture, and otherwise I guess it needs to get restored so someone will digitise it. What struck me about this painting is how similar it is to other Haarlem portraits with a red curtain on one side and holding a book. Jane (talk) 11:20, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm glad you uploaded it - it is much better than nothing :) I just assumed that you passed by it, because it was so quickly after the article was written - so hoped you might pass it soon again. But if you don't - do not bother of course :) Thanks again, effeietsanders 16:44, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Philadelphia Museum of Art[edit]

We've started a GLAM (Galleries, Libraries, Archives, and Museums) project at Wikipedia:GLAM/Philadelphia Museum of Art. This should be exciting! Please sign up or contribute however you can.

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Done Jane (talk) 11:20, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

FindArt[edit]

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Magnus that is awesome! I was playing around with it this morning and I love what it shows based on my location (and I discovered a bunch of institutions near me that I had no idea about)! Thank you so much! Jane (talk) 11:20, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hoi Jane, zoals een hele tijd geleden besproken heb ik nu alles in Wikipedia:WikiProject Historic sites geschoven. Multichill (talk) 10:26, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Maarten, OK prima - ik weet nog niet precies hoe het moet werken, maar dat merk ik vanzelf dan wel! Jane (talk) 10:33, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

People from Haarlem[edit]

Hi Jane,

I notice that you added the category People from Haarlem to the categories of Member of Teylers Eersta and Tweede Genootschap. I dont think this should be done, because although there will be a significant percentage of them from Haarlem, this is not absolute, and is not a requirement at all. Definitely for the modern members it is much less common to have Haarlem members. effeietsanders 22:11, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I don't know about the modern members, but actually, it is a requirement according to the rules of the Teylers Stichting, which is why I did it. It is also mentioned more than once as the reason why people could be members of the Dutch Society for Science, but not of Teylers. Jane (talk) 22:24, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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disambiguation[edit]

Hi Jane,

I noted that you created several articles with specifications as 'Jr.', 'Sr.', 'II' and 'III' in the name. I was wondering, how sure are you that these specifications are exactly correct (and that there are not forefathers with the same names)? How common are those denominations exactly? I myself tried to stick to unambiguous disambiguation (hah, pun intended), and tried to use the year of birth&death where possible between disambiguation brackets. That way it doesn't matter if Johannes Enschedé suddenly appears to have a father too, and doesn't leave odd gaps when John Doe III is irrelevant, but John Doe I, John Doe II and John Doe IV áre relevant. I'm not sure what is most common practice on enwiki, but that makes much more sense to me in the long run :) Would like your input too, effeietsanders 19:42, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, this is the en wiki, where you will rarely find consensus in these things, but in general I do two things: 1) I check the Rkd, and 2) I pick the name used in the sources. The son of Isaak is the oldest Johannes Enschede, so I started with him. As you can see I haven't quite decided yet for Enschede IV. As far as the Van der Kellen's go, it's tricky. Sr. & Jr. seem to be correct in all sources, but III is generally referred to without any suffix, probably because as a competent painter and museum director he achieved greater fame than his father & grandfather. Using the dates can be confusing for search reasons, but of course I have done that too in the past. I prefer though to use some sort of occupation, so I'll probably use David van der Kellen (painter). Jane (talk) 20:04, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I definitely agree on the occupation preference - but as you noted that doesn't work for several families where father and son do the same job. A problem I have with Jr. and Sr. is that other sources often use "de Jongere" and "de Oudere" (like with Leendert Viervant), and it gets all confusing. Then having the years (as long as not contested) is at least consistent. But you think that there is no Johannes Enschedé as a forefather of Isaak Enschedé? Considering that Johannes is such a common forename :) effeietsanders 20:55, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well it's basically about disambiguation and what's *most* convenient for the encyclopedia. So if there turns out to be an earlier Johannes Enschede, then I will probably call him Johannes the Elder. With Adriaan Loosjes for example, it seems to go Adriaan, Pieter, Adriaan, Pieter, ... In that case you can use I, Ii, III but not Sr. & Jr. as those are specifically reserved for father & son.. I tend to pick the most famous one for the one *without* suffix, in this case Adriaan II. I noticed the nl wiki has an article for the oldest Adriaan. If I ever bother with him I'll call him the Elder. Does this make sense? Jane (talk) 05:23, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As a footnote, I can add that when it really gets hairy I have resorted to location, as in Jan van Kessel (Amsterdam), or Belgian notation for suspected Belgians like Hans IV Jordaens. In the end it all depends on the most popular references and common sense. Jane (talk) 05:32, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, it doesn't really make sense to me. It sounds too much like randomness to me to just pick one of them and leave out any suffix at all - and unless you create all the possible redirects for every option, picking a different convention every time doesn't make it easier to find the article (and makes it more likely two people will create the same article with different names). I would prefer the approach that we use whatever name their 'tijdgenoten' (time companions?) used, and if there are two people who both in their time were called the same, that we'd use disambiguation through brackets on subject, city or years. Exceptions could be made. In most cases we have some source from that period of time or short after, and we could check how they were referred to. effeietsanders 08:53, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Actually the "tijdgenoten" concept can be tricky too. The Dutch as you know are always extremely accommodating, and Johann Georg Holtzhey signed his own letters with Jean George Holtzhey. Frankly I don't see what's wrong with following the RKD, since they are about 90% correct (and have much more experience disambiguating Dutch names internationally than Wikipedia does, since artists have been catalogued and collected for centuries). I really don't see the point of trying to make an exact science out of this. We're talking about people after all. Nobody is ever born with "Sr." or "the Elder" after their name! Jane (talk) 04:28, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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DYK[edit]

Feel free to modify Victuallers (talk) 22:22, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, that is so cool! You are amazing, and of course completely right. I was shocked myself to discover that he had such a big role in the Elgin marbles, and no Wikipedia article? I find it more than strange that there is no article on him in the Greek Wikipedia. Just judging from my experience in the Teylers Challenge, the biographies of artists who went through negative experiences in life, or who met their ends in a fateful way, or somehow did "something bad", seem to be the most popular. On second thought though, the Greek article on el:Ελγίνεια_Μάρμαρα is pretty short. It's amazing what happens when you ship a national treasure out of the country - out of sight, out of mind, I guess. Jane (talk) 08:52, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Geert Jan, totally excellent - you are awesome! Jane (talk) 11:53, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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If you want any articles, just give the details and I'll send them to you. Best, Fanzine999 (talk) 22:35, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wow that is cool! I will definitely make use of your offer! Thanks, Jane (talk) 05:52, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks! I would like to see articles on all the castles, but the archeological sites are very interesting too. Jane (talk) 14:37, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Credo Reference, who generously donated 400 free Credo 250 research accounts to Wikipedia editors over the past two years, has offered to expand the program to include 100 additional reference resources. Credo wants Wikipedia editors to select which resources they want most. So, we put together a quick survey to do that:

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Second half of Basisbibliotheek - Duizend sleutelteksten uit de cultuurgeschiedenis van de Lage Landen[edit]

Canon of Dutch Literature states that I should look for the second half of the list somewhere, without linking it. I find it pretty lame to only list 500 items out of a list of 1000 entries. If you make a selection, make a short selection of titles. If you go for the full list, list them all, not just half of them. Could you list the other 500 items? Sumurai8 (talk) 08:39, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to see someone is interested in that list! I checked, and the other half of the list is still linked - it's in the source link which is given at the bottom of the page. The reason I didn't include the more recent 500 books is because I felt at the time that these books would not be of encyclopedic value to the English Wikipedia. I still feel these books are less valuable to the English Wikipedia than the last 500 books are. However, you are making a perfectly valid request, because there is certainly a case to be made that these books are of interest to non-Dutch speakers. I clicked on the interwiki link however and see that the second half is apparently not considered of encyclopedic value to the Dutch wikipedia either, which is surprising. You might want to make your request there (in English) on the Dutch village pump. If someone builds the list, I will copy it over. If you are able to create the list, go ahead. Jane (talk) 09:06, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Lists of protected heritage in Flanders[edit]

Hello Jane, you use wrong titles: only the numbers with the "Yes"-flag are protected, the rest of the numbers is only put in the inventory of Flemish heritage. Regards, Sonuwe (talk) 08:45, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the feedback - why inventory if protection is not the goal? Are people allowed to modify the facades of their houses as they see fit, even if they are in the inventory list? In the netherlands you need permission to change the color of paint you choose for your windows if your house is listed (at the municipal level or at the national level). Or do you mean I should only filter the "Yes" objects because the other objects are not notable enough for the encyclopedia? It does seem (compared to Wallonia) that there are a lot more objects than I would expect for small towns. What alternative name do you propose? Jane (talk) 09:28, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, people are allowed the modify facades of the houses which are on the inventory but not protected. They can even demolish the houses after an investigation done by the municipality about the heritage value. When the house is protected (Yes-flags), you cannot change anything at the facades (and in some monuments even the interior) of the building before the agency of heritage has given his permission. A demolishion of a protected house is impossible. There must be a declassification of the monument that has to be published in the Belgian Official Journal. Please note that heritage in Flemish and Walloon region have a totally different legislation. This is not any more a federal issue. Name propose: List of immovable heritage in ... In Flanders, a lot of notable heritage relicts are on the inventory list but is not protected such as castles, churches, towers, etc... New protected monuments are mostly taken from the inventory. Best regards, Sonuwe (talk) 09:52, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK thanks, I will rename to immovable. Jane (talk) 10:26, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Jane, I see some wrong translations. A "breedhuis" is not the same as a "breed huis". Your translation into "wide house" is not correct. A "breedhuis" is a house with the top of the roof in parallel of the street. That type of house is the opposite of a "diephuis" with the top of the roof perpendicular to the street. Same with a "enkelhuis" (door at the extreme right or left of the facade) which is not a "enkel huis" and a "dubbelhuis" (door in the +/- middle of the facade) which is not a "dubbel huis". Because I'm Flemish, I don't know the exact English architectural names for these type of houses. Therefor, I suggest to translate those specific names simply by "house". Best regards, Sonuwe (talk) 08:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for checking! Those are "google-translate" mistakes - as you suggest here, I have been attempting to just trim these down to a generic "house"/"maison" wherever possible. Now and then some do slip through ("burger house", "broad house", "flat, wide house", and others). I went ahead and created categories on Commons for various types of farms, and this should probably be done for the Flemish house types too. Then a generic article dealing with the Flemish architectural types can ne created. These terms are not used in the Netherlands, where these types do exist. I am giving up on the French by the way, because otherwise I will never finish before September. If you are at all handy with lists, I would appreciate some assistance, and otherwise, feel free to correct lists as you encounter problems. I was surprised to see the lists do not come with the French translations, and I saw that on the fr wiki these lists are still in Dutch! If you speak French you can start hacking away at the translations over there. Over here I prefer incorrect English to Dutch, as long as I keep the original Dutch in there as a reference. Jane (talk) 09:45, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the answer. Unfortunately, I haven't enough time to help you at this moment. May be within some weeks. Sonuwe (talk) 10:58, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi. I've started a discussion that likely will interest you at Wikipedia:Village pump (idea_lab)#Additional geolocation data for mobile device users? I even mentioned your name. --Orlady (talk) 19:26, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I replied there. Jane (talk) 05:12, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi GLAM PMA folks! I wanted to update you about some recent events related to our fantastic Museum. I met Jessica Milby, PMA Collections Information Project Manager, at Wikimania in July. Jessica was looking for ways to improve articles on Wikipedia about the Museum and its artists/collections. We followed up a few weeks later at the Perelman Building in downtown Philadelphia where we discussed ways to increase participation in the GLAM/PMA project.

  • The first idea is to do some outreach to the GLAM:PMA project members, including mass messages updating you all about plans and, seeking feedback about new ideas, and hearing your thoughts about what's in the works.
  • The next step is a drive to improve the main Philadelphia Museum of Art article. The article is currently 'B-Class', but Jessica was confident that with the abundance of high quality sources about the Museum that it could be improved even further. Jessica recommended this extensive source from the Museum's website.
  • Another idea that came out of the meeting was a project within the Museum to assess which PMA-related topics are missing articles on Wikipedia.
  • One of Jessica's ideas is to have the knowledgeable curators of the Museum provide recommended reading lists for PMA-related articles. That should be a great first step to guiding editors towards the information they need to expand and improve that content.
  • Also raised for discussion were some ideas about how to engage the broader community. There is interest in setting up a tour/edit-a-thon, but this remains in the preliminary stage. Would you be interested in participating in such an event?
  • We have new stats! These 24 articles are all under the PMA project. I compiled the last 90-day page views and then annualized the results. PMA-related articles get almost 800,000 view per year!
See the stats!
Article Importance Class View last 90 days Views annualized
Philadelphia Museum of Art Top B 22,790 91,160
The Concert Singer High B 783 3,132
Crucifixion Diptych (van der Weyden) High C 1,500 6,000
Perelman Building High C 986 3,944
The Gross Clinic High C 12,897 51,588
William Rush and His Model High C 1,038 4,152
Nude Descending a Staircase, No. 2 High Start 26,892 107,568
Rodin Museum High Start 5,323 21,292
Soft Construction with Boiled Beans (Premonition of Civil War) High Start 11,026 44,104
The Bride Stripped Bare By Her Bachelors, Even High Start 13,639 54,556
Wedding dress of Grace Kelly High Start 5,810 23,240
Étant donnés High Stub 7,464 29,856
Bird in Space High Unassessed 10,365 41,460
Diana (Saint-Gaudens) High Unassessed 1,450 5,800
Interior (Degas) High Unassessed 2,434 9,736
The Bathers (Cézanne) High Unassessed 7,166 28,664
Three Musicians High Unassessed 9,421 37,684
The Fairman Rogers Four-in-Hand Mid C 736 2,944
Anne d'Harnoncourt Mid Stub 1,266 5,064
Lansdowne House Mid Stub 3,763 15,052
Portrait of Leslie W. Miller Mid Unassessed 362 1,448
Yellow Odalisque Mid Unassessed 817 3,268
Rocky Steps Low Start 41,341 165,364
Samuel S. Fleisher Art Memorial Low Start 304 1,216
Total 189,573 758,292
views per quarter views per year

It's exciting to have a partner in Jessica Milby and there should be a lot of good work coming out the collaboration within the next 3-6 months. Please stop by the GLAM/PMA project page and leave your thoughts. What ideas do you have? How can we move forward on the above projects? I Hope you're all well. Cheers! Ocaasi 19:05, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi - Just wanted to let you know I've enjoyed seeing all of the new material you've added for historical sites in the Nashua, New Hampshire area. --Ken Gallager (talk) 19:38, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, it's always nice to receive feedback from someone who knows the material! I wish I had more time to write about New Hampshire history. This flurry of activity is due to some pictures I made while visiting Nashua that I entered for Wiki Loves Monuments this year, and of course I couldn't help noticing the lack of information in the articles. Jane (talk) 07:19, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm afraid ...[edit]

.. that I made life more difficult for .. I suspect you (if I am mistaken, and the original introducer is someone else, please accept my apologies and please point me in the right direction): I have just meta blacklisted the website 'para.ms' - which is basically a redirect service. I don't know whether you were the first to introduce this site on wikipedia, I did notice today that there were over 15.000 additions recorded. Normally, redirect services get blacklisted .. on sight .., this one managed to escape our attention, but I had to blacklist this (as an explanatory example: the last 2 days we had on en.wikipedia.org a heavy spam attack of long-term spammers, who used redirect services to push their links). For further explanation, please see the external links guideline.

I have replaced the shortened links with the full links in the templates on en.wikipedia and nl.wikipedia (I expect the link to originate from the Dutch Wikipedia), and on a page on de.wikipedia. I don't know whether other wiki's also used the link (not on fr and on simple, at least), if so, I will be glad to help and replace them there as well. I am at the moment not capable to find them on other wikis since the database first needs to update all the transclusions on en and nl before it becomes obvious.

Mijn excuses voor het ongemak (maar daarom hebben we sjablonen op Wikipedia, die doen zo ongeveer hetzelfde, maar dan 'legaal'). Please let me know if you need any further help. Thanks. --Dirk Beetstra T C 20:39, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I have no idea what this means. The only external links I use regularly are to heritage websites, except for the commercial art auction service artnet. If you have a record of me leaving some sort of spammy link let me know, because probably I have caught some sort of virus on my computer. I do try to use templates whenever possible, such as Template:BPN and Template:Rijksmonument. I am sorry to hear there has been a spam attack originating from the Dutch Wikipedia, of all places! Jane (talk) 06:40, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK I see now that you mean the Wallonian heritage records site. As far as I know, I just copied the Dutch Wikipedia template (but it could have been the French one). Changing Template:Table row BE is the proper place, so there should be no other uses of those links anywhere else I know of. Thanks for your work. Jane (talk) 06:48, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I saw that you used it in the template, but I did not really know who put it there first or where (that is the problem with cross-wiki-copying). So probably someone on the Dutch or French Wikipedia then, not you.
The link is not 'spammy', just that we generally disallow the use of URL shortening services (and that because that type of sites get abused and are, almost by definition, 'useless' for Wikipedia). For as far as I can see, all that happened here was in good faith, and had nothing to do with ongoing spamming. No worries, all is solved, Wikipedia seems to be clean now. Hope to see you around, the link is used for a great cause! --Dirk Beetstra T C 07:13, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That's good news! You had me worried. I agree it's a good cause and I have been thrilled to see the number of Belgian photo's rolling in during this year's WLM. Next year I hope to complete the lists for Flanders and Brussels. That will be my big WLM job for this winter when I get around to it. Jane (talk) 07:27, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Have move the discussion to the talk page[edit]

Here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine/ICD11 It is an exciting proposal and would be great if you become involved. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 10:36, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Berko[edit]

Hey Jane,

could you take a look at this user's contributions? I'm not sure if his added references should be considered unwanted self promotion. He's obviously pushing his own literature, the main question is... is the literature actually helpful (more helpful than the other sources already mentioned in the article). effeietsanders 21:57, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

hmm, interesting. Definitely self-promotion, but in a niche area, so maybe he or she is an expert. If so, no problem. The books are all paper only, so I'll have to look at one in the library. Jane (talk) 22:31, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Same user as this one, but not very active. Still haven't seen the book, but maybe they can publish some bio info on their website. Looks like interesting stuff that could possibly be valuable content. Jane (talk) 11:18, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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awesome! Nice to see the conversion complete. Yes, please delete as it's no longer needed, thx Jane (talk) 21:48, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
oops! Not all have been converted, only the ones without the authority control template. It can't be deleted before those get cleaned up (see what links here from the template). Jane (talk) 21:52, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello! Can you translate an article Dutch into English? thank you--Many baks (talk) 21:26, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am not a very good translator actually. I put a tag on the page so someone from the translation group will pick it up. Good luck with it! Jane (talk) 21:59, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
thanks again--Many baks (talk) 23:08, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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