User talk:Jack4576/Archive 1

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Copying within Wikipedia requires attribution

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I provided attribution on the talk page Jack4576 (talk) 16:30, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

That's not the correct way to do it. See the above instructions.— Diannaa (talk) 10:35, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your efforts in articles such as Comcare v Banerji, ASIC v Kobelt and others. Like many such articles they could be improved with more secondary sources, particularly law journals etc, but these take a while to come out which always makes it difficult for recent cases. Thought I would let you know of a minor issue with your use of the Cite AustLII template - the link to AustLII is automatically generated and the link= is meant to be used for an internal wikipedia article. Using it for a url was causing the template to malfunction. But its a minor issue and easily fixed. We appear to have common interests so I look forward to seeing more of your contributions. If you have any questions I am always happy to help. --Find bruce (talk) 07:53, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Find bruce, I greatly appreciate your feedback. Indeed it seems we do share similar interests; I look forward to contributing together on Wikipedia with you! Thanks again Jack4576 (talk) 10:00, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Australian legal system

Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you tried to give Australian legal system a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into Legal system of Australia. This is known as a "cut-and-paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is legally required for attribution. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

In most cases, once your account is four days old and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page (the tab may be hidden in a dropdown menu for you). This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Wikipedia:Requests for history merge. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moxy (talk • contribs) 13:15, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I attempted to move it without performing a cut and paste move; but it returned an error. For that reason a cut and paste move was necessary Jack4576 (talk) 13:17, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

No, a cut-and-paste move was not necessary. Please ask an administrator for help. See WP:Requested moves for instructions. Thanks, wbm1058 (talk) 13:55, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Necessary, as in unable to do it due to a bug or whatever. Not saying that the move was necessary. Relax. Jack4576 (talk) 14:46, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

There is no "bug". When you are unable to do this, you ask, preferably, an administrator, who has deletion rights, and thus is able to properly move the page over a redirect, to move it for you. Or, a WP:Page mover who can do a "round-robin" move, which is a less than ideal way to do it, but accepted by the community. I'm here because I had to clean up after you; your move threw flags that I patrol for. This incident is water under the bridge; all I'm asking is that you become aware of page-moving procedures and do it right the next time you run into this issue. Thanks, wbm1058 (talk) 16:43, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Okay, so I'm not just taking your word for it, are you able to point me out to a page detailing that cut & paste moves are flat out banned? Haven't come across that one. Such a rule isn't mentioned in the WP:Requested moves page you linked. Jack4576 (talk) 01:39, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Moving a page. The last sentence of the lead paragraph: "Do not move or rename a page by copying/pasting its content, because doing so fragments the edit history. Instead, please follow the instructions given below." Also Wikipedia:Administrators' guide/Fixing cut-and-paste moves. – wbm1058 (talk) 03:21, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, appreciated Jack4576 (talk) 10:28, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

MIMA v Haji Ibrahim moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, MIMA v Haji Ibrahim, is much too incomplete to remain published. It needs at least some information about the result of the case, (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. DGG ( talk ) 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

The result of the case was already on the page DGG, in the casebox. Jack4576 (talk) 04:31, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

The infobox is intended as as a summary of the article, not a replacement for it. The article on a related case was well done, so fix this similarly. DGG ( talk ) 10:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

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Close paraphrasing at Board of Bendigo Regional Institute of Technical and Further Education v Barclay

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Clayton Utz page

Hi @jack4576

I'm from the communications team at Clayton Utz. We've seen that the article on our firm is somewhat out of date, and would like to update it with new information (such as deals, awards, clients, and community activities), properly sourced from third parties where possible. The guide to editing suggests that we work with a current editor to maintain its quality ie. NPOV and proper citations, rather than just going in and editing our own section as others seem to do. We saw that you have adopted the article, and wondered if we could work with you on ensuring the article is current and comprehensive.

I want to emphasise that this is not an exercise in trying to get the Controversies section removed, or otherwise to whitewash the article; we just think that we could help by providing more current information, backed by third party citations, and overall improving its quality.

kind regards

Clayton Utz Comms (talk) 06:25, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello Clayton Utz Comms. You are welcome to make proposals to change the Clayton Utz article through its talk page. The guideline for Conflict of interest (COI) editing states that "COI editors should not edit affected articles directly, but should propose changes on article talk pages instead".

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I recommend looking closely at Wikipedia's NPOV guidelines, as well as the guidelines provided on Wikipedia:Conflict of interest

Personally I have no axe to grind with Clayton Utz. Any proposed contributions that provide current information, backed by third party citations, and overall improving the article's quality; will be welcomed by myself and no doubt the other editors of legal Wikipedia.

Kind regards Jack4576 (talk) 12:24, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Labour hire (European Union)

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Allens Trust Breach

Why is the breach of trust by Powles considered "non-notable". It was a large amount of money, and involved several countries, and there are many newspaper reports and a book? Olivertownshend (talk) 04:17, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Olivertownshend lets have this discussion on the relevant article's talk page. Jack4576 (talk) 22:37, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

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May 2021

Your edit to Appellant S395/2002 v MIMA has been removed in whole or in part, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing. See Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources for more information. — Diannaa (talk) 10:35, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Diannaa the material was not taken from Cornell's entry, the material comes from the Appellant S395/2002 case itself. The Cornell entry merely summarises the content quite well, and the wiki entry that I wrote based on that summary did NOT quote directly from the Cornell entry. Please do not randomly delete my entries in this way, please raise a discussion first on the talk page. Thank you. Jack4576 (talk) 11:05, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Can you please provide me with a link that shows the case itself is in the public domain or compatibly licensed? Thanks.— Diannaa (talk) 11:13, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Diannaa The decision itself is a High Court of Australia case, Apex court cases fall within the Fair Use exception under US copyright law; and also within the 'Fair Dealing' exception under Australian copyright law. Here is a link to the decision: which as you can see is freely available on a publicly accessible database for all to access and republish(http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/cth/HCA/2003/71.html) Jack4576 (talk) 11:26, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Diannaa it angers me that this deletion of my entry occured without a discussion on the talk page first. The entry that I had made for S395 was carefully crafted for clarity, conciseness, and accuracy; and now that work has disappeared due to your use of admin privileges. I request a rollback. Jack4576 (talk) 11:26, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Besides, it isn't relevant whether or not the case itself is in the public domain or licensed. What you deleted was my summary of that decision; which has an independent copyright status from both the original High Court entry; and the Cornell summary. (Which would be inevitably similar to my summary; as both are summaries of the same thing)Jack4576 (talk) 11:26, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Wikipedia does not allow prose under fair use. Short properly attributed quotations are allowed, but not material copied from your sources, unless the text is compatibly licensed or in the public domain. The Government of Australia does release some of their material under a Creative Commons license. Can you determine if that is the case here?

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Thank you for clarifying that Diannaa. I have resolved the issue by re-stating the facts of the case whilst completely avoiding any prose used by the Cornell entry. High Court decisions aren't included within the Government of Australia's Creative Commons license, but is covered as an exception within Australia's Fair Dealing copyright law, and the US's Fair Use copyright law; as text from a decision of an apex court. Jack4576 (talk) 11:58, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a very strict copyright policy, stricter in some ways than copyright law itself, because our fair use policy does not allow us to copy material from copyright sources when there's a freely licensed alternative available. In this case the freely licensed material is prose that we write ourselves.— Diannaa (talk) 12:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

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Dietrich v The Queen

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A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Kennon v Spry is a very good page. Well done! BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 10:35, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you ! Jack4576 (talk) 11:19, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Principle of Legality (Australia) is another awesome article. Great work! BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 16:21, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the nice feedback ! Jack4576 (talk) 03:34, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Chicago CRED moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Chicago CRED, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Mooonswimmer 22:03, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

• Hello Mooonswimmer, the article as drafted referenced significant and detailed video coverage from The Economist, among other media sources. It seems to me that the notability threshold was met on that basis. Jack4576 (talk) 00:52, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

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Zoop

I have moved this article to User:Jack4576/Zoop (platform) so it can be further worked on, with additional sources. I think there's something to said about this, an attempt by the founders of OnlyFans to create an internet site that's not overrun by adult material. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:44, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you kindly Ritchie333 Jack4576 (talk) 17:47, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

As a general rule of thumb, an article should have about 1,500 characters of prose (this is the basic limit for Did you know? submissions) and ideally, substantially more, without running out of good source material. I would aim to get at least that amount in the article, then use the Articles for Creation process to review it. From my hunt for sources, my concern is there only seems to be coverage of the site's launch, and not much since then. Some more sources discussing the site in 2023 would be helpful. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:23, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Ritchie Jack4576 (talk) 06:12, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

May 2023

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I'm clearly not edit warring. I engaged on the talk page, and provided sources and reasoning in explanation prior to removing those templates. Further, I did not 3RR. Threatening a block is totally inappropriate. Shove off. Jack4576 (talk) 18:35, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Brian Slocum (law professor) moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Brian Slocum (law professor), is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more in-depth coverage about the subject itself, with citations from reliable, independent sources in order to show it meets WP:GNG. It should have at least three, to be safe. And please remember that interviews, as primary sources, do not count towards GNG.(?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:10, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Congratulations Onel5969, you’ve found one of my articles that doesn’t meet GNG requirements

In the process, you’ve removed from mainspace an entry on one of America’s foremost scholars on law and language

I can’t be bothered redrafting this

You’re obviously not a domain expert in the area of linguistics or law, otherwise you’d be competent enough to recognise that Brian Slocum is notable enough to have an entry

No I won’t be redrafting this. Why bother. I trawled all the news articles I could, but as a legal scholar, he’s not exactly the typical subject for the front page of the New York Times

Your officiously strict application of the guidelines is typical of the deletionist editors that are undermining the humanitarian mission of this site

Shame on you, but you’ve won this little battle today. Goodnight Jack4576 (talk) 16:22, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Article now accepted at RfC, without any changes, per #5 of WP:ACADEMIC criteria. Please consider the SNG more closely in future before moving articles to draftspace Jack4576 (talk) 19:03, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Common sense

Common sense is not particularly common, particularly among the type of people who spend all their waking hours editing Wikipedia. The one rule that always seems to be ignored is WP:IAR. I wish you well, but I am afraid that you will not get far with your recent comments. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:30, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

:This is a rude comment Phil Jack4576 (talk) 17:38, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

To open good faith RfCs on the appropriate interpretation of GNG, and to question whether the interpretation of it is appropriate; is not WP:IAR. If I didn’t care about the rules I wouldn’t be engaging with them.

The snide remark re: people who spend all hours editing wikipedia is demonstrably false had you bothered to examine my edit history. I live in a different timezone to most editors.

Jack4576 (talk) 17:43, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Well, that certainly wasn't the response I was expecting to a supportive message, but I still wish you well. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:46, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I’m sorry, and I sincerely apologise Phil.

I misread your message, I thought you were trying to tell me that I lack common sense. (and it’s because I edit wikipedia all day)

I can see what you were saying now. Thank you for the supportive message. I wish you well too. It’s been a bit of a pile-on today. Jack4576 (talk) 18:53, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Sports notability

Hi, I noticed you've argued at AfD that meeting GNG/SIGCOV is unnecessary when an athlete meets a sports SNG. The problem with this rationale is that most of the categories under WP:NSPORTS merely predict that significant coverage is likely to exist; WP:SPORTBASIC states the SIGCOV requirement in no uncertain terms. You might be interested in reading the WP:NSPORTS2022 RfC, particularly proposals #3 and #5 where it was decided that participation-based criteria would be eliminated and replaced by GNG. Please refrain from using arguments like "meets (sports SNG)" and be sure to cite actual SIGCOV sources to support your Keep !votes. Let me know if you have any questions or concerns. –dlthewave ☎ 03:10, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Being able to demonstrate with linked sources that GNG/SIGCOV has been met, is indeed unnecessary when one is able to rely on the criteria in WP:NCYCLING to give rise to a presumption that significant coverage likely exists.

As I am allowed to presume under the guidelines that coverage likely exists, it is unnecessary for me to wait for actual evidence of significant coverage to justify my keep vote. This is the effect of the wording regarding presumptions under WP:NSPORT

Jack4576 (talk) 03:24, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

RfCs

Can I ask what WP:RFCBEFORE you did before launching your two notability RfCs? Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 04:01, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

The scope of the two notability RfC's are broad

If these RfC's were in relation to specific editorial issues on specific pages, it would have been appropriate to directly engage with the other editor

in this case though, simply discussing the notability with only one other editor would not be an appropriate precursor to making change altering the wording of the notability guidelines. The only appropriate step prior to making a site-wide change of that magnitude is to invite discussion from a variety of editors to obtain consensus; which is why I opened an RfC

Do you think it was premature ? What steps do you think should have been taken beforehand ? For the above reason after reading WP:RFCBEFORE it seemed appropriate; even without one-on-one discussions beforehand on talk pages. Jack4576 (talk) 04:10, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Additionally, the RfCs were about notability policy.

Dispute resolution mechanisms aren't designed to resolve proposals for a change in site-wide policy. Hence I did not pursue dispute resolution. Jack4576 (talk) 04:15, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

I'd have started a discussion on those pages first to see what ideas or improvements interested editors had. Especially because the wording of the SIGCOV RfC is such that it's a general discussion anyway and thus unlikely to be closed with a meaningful consensus reached. Prior discussion might have led to an RfC that could establish an answer to the issue you see. Barkeep49 (talk) 04:17, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks I will keep that in mind prior to any future policy-oriented RfCs Jack4576 (talk) 04:19, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

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Nomination of Western Governors University College of Information Technology for deletion

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RfCs

Hey, Jack, just FWIW, not every discussion should be an RfC. In fact most shouldn't. Editors at a particular talk page, for instance, can just discuss things. Valereee (talk) 16:25, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Valereee I’ll put things to a talk discussion first in future Jack4576 (talk) 16:39, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Batman comics

When reverting my three PROD's, you mentioned you'd rather see them merged into a list article. Did you have a specific one in mind or would it need to be created? I'm thinking there must be a list of Batman comics somewhere on here... Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 16:38, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the message JACU.

You’re right, there is, I think it’d be good to merge the info onto this List of Batman comics Jack4576 (talk) 16:42, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

And would you look at that; they're already on there. Looks like a redirect would do fine for these. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 18:16, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

I think it would be good to merge the information from those pages onto the table where appropriate. Merge & redirect Jack4576 (talk) 05:33, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

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Notability and Wikipedia

Jack, I have to say your participation on Wikipedia in the area surrounding notability policy is really starting to feel a bit disruptive. Here you seem to be arguing that if there is any possibility of any coverage in any language anywhere in the world, we must assume a subject is notable. You are arguing in multiple fora that everyone else is wrong about consensus on notability. You've opened multiple RfCs on notability. You literally opposed an RfA because the candidate agreed with WP policy on notability, and in the ensuing discussion you doubled and tripled down. You've suddenly jumped into 150 AfDs within a few days time after having participated in 2 in your first two years here. It is starting to feel like you are here to WP:RGW. That is disruptive. Valereee (talk) 12:59, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

RGW is about NPOV and none of the opinions I have expressed in AfD are related to that. AfD is about notability, a separate issue.

I was not arguing that "if there is any possibility of any coverage in any language anywhere in the world, we must assume a subject is notable"

not at all

I was arguing that it is important to comply with the policy of WP:BEFORE that local sources are checked.

It is not disruptive to make arguments in AfD with reference to policy.

My RfA oppose vote was withdrawn after I read the feedback. Jack4576 (talk) 14:11, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

I would respectfully ask that you stop pinging me with regard to AfD discussions. That is not an area in which I choose to spend my time, especially on living people. Pinging me means I cannot !vote, but to respond I must spend time to research your query which could be spent on a topic which I have confirmed meets WP's criteria and has been proven throughout history to be notable. It is rare that I choose to participate in an AfD discussion and if I do, it is because I am able to research the subject and confirm that IMO it meets the requirements for the platform. I will usually not respond to debate on my opinion, as each person is entitled to their own. Whether I agree with those policies or not, the project has policies and guidelines that are required for participation. Thank you for your understanding. SusunW (talk) 14:23, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

OK I will refrain, thank you SusunW Jack4576 (talk) 14:26, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

RGW doesn't have to be about NPOV. It can be about policy, too, example here; you made similar arguments at the RfA. And you are in AfDs arguing that you "oppose" the very idea of the AfD until the nominator or someone else has shown you some proof or at least an assertion that they've done an exhaustive search in multiple languages to somehow prove a negative, or throwing in a source you've found as some sort of "Aha! Gotcha!" evidence against them such as this series of edits which made accusations against another editor when you hadn't done your own due diligence in finding sources before writing the article. Valereee (talk) 14:38, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm not asking for proof I'm asking for an assurance that WP:BEFORE has occurred by either:

(1) clarifying the depth of search with the nominator, (where the search isn't described) or,

(2) asking whether a search has been performed at all (where it isn't mentioned)

It isn't disruptive to ask nominators whether the AfD was made properly in an appropriate form.

Secondly, in regard to the Chicago CRED article;

(1) plainly when I wrote that, I thought SIGCOV was already established, as can be seen in the AfD thread

(2) after the AfD nom, I went back and found more; and found sources that showed SIGCOV had unequivocally was met

This caused me to question whether WP:BEFORE had been performed in the first place at all.

Calling any of that good-faith participation disruptive is drawing a very long bow.

It is not disruptive to air subjective and dissenting opinion in an appropriate forum. Jack4576 (talk) 14:44, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

And this AfD !vote? "Keep WP needs more Africa content, even if short; WP:IAR" is completely pointy and very much RGW. Valereee (talk) 15:21, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

That's not an NPOV discussion its a policy / notability discussion. I do think we need to take editorial steps to address WP's balance, it'd be to the betterment of this site Jack4576 (talk) 15:29, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

There's a difference between "I think policy/guidelines are wrong and want them to change" and "here's how I think the existing policies/guidelines should apply." are both OK things but are slightly different - if I think a policy/guideline is wrong (and on some of them I do) I still need to respect what it is now. At times the sense I get from you is "I think policy/guidelines are wrong and so I am going to act like the changes I want already exist." That, for me, is where it's felt like you've sometimes veered into disruption. Barkeep49 (talk) 17:19, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

There’s a third option; “I respect the guidelines as they’re currently written, wish they were written differently, but nevertheless, I disagree with your application of those existing guidelines here”; which is fine too, as it complies with existing guidelines and consensus

Over the last 2 days i’ve stopped arguing that SIGCOV is unnecessary. I admit that may have crossed the line before, and was based on my own misreading of the rules, but since that was pointed out I’ve stopped making that argument in AfDs Jack4576 (talk) 00:20, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

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Hi. Wikipedia is a collaborative project that requires civility. Comments such as this one are unhelpful at best. Please refrain from making such remarks in future. Thanks. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 11:01, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

it is not uncivil to criticise the effect of Wikipedia policy in practice. My comment was not directed at an editor; and is a form of critical support for the Wikipedia project.

If you disagree, I don't begrudge you for doing that; but please do not falsely claim that I am being uncivil when I am plainly expressing my views about the application of Wikipedia guidelines in a civil manner. I don't find your feedback here helpful and won't be regarding it with much weight. Jack4576 (talk) 11:08, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Characterising the actions of other editors or the community as "...wicked, and vile" goes way beyond reasonable criticism of how the project functions with respect to notability; such comments are not compatible with behavioural policy. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 11:26, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree Jack4576 (talk) 12:26, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Your !vote on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/KaSelly was to die for! UtherSRG (talk) 12:06, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you User:UtherSRG

I’m trying to participate to AfDs in good faith, I think it best to offer criticism of the problems of WP policy with a bit of humour

It’s a new approach, and it helps me keep things civil when discussing / calling out some of the editorial biases on this site Jack4576 (talk) 12:34, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I second what UtherSRG said. Nothing wrong with showing regret for an article excluded by notability guidelines, with a splash of humour. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:44, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

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African cycling champs

FYI WP:NCYC number 5 says "Won a UCI category race (minimum classification 1.1 / 2.1, including Continental and National Championships)." The African champs is a continental championship so it is already included in the Cycling notability criteria. Paulpat99 (talk) 20:48, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Paul. Some were arguing in AFDs the other day that the African Continental Championship doesn't count as a UCI-organised race Jack4576 (talk) 09:15, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Weird cause the winner can wear the African Champs jersey in UCI races. https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/henok-mulubrhan/statistics/overview Here you can see Mulbrhan wore the African champ jersey at Bardiani in 2022. Paulpat99 (talk) 09:27, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

They were probably ignorant, thank you for pointing me to that link; I'll keep it for reference. It's sadly typical for AfD to be trigger happy for articles about subjects outside the global north Jack4576 (talk) 09:45, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

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Hi Jack! I'm seeing you around a fair bit at the moment. I also note that you and I are pretty much alone in creating and editing Auslaw content. Given we are both Australian law degree holders and appear to share similar interests, I'd be very happy to collaborate on bringing an Australian case to GA status with you. We are in the same hemisphere and editing time-zone which helps. I've gotten three of these through alone so far. I know that some of your editing has attracted the attention of others lately (I make no comment on whether or not the attention is fair or deserved, merely that it has happened). Beavering away on some Auslaw might be a great chance to get away from it, and I would actually like an Auslaw trained colleague here. Let me know if you are interested. I was thinking Hollis v Vebu might be worthwhile. You have a talent for writing caselaw articles, and I hope you keep writing these. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:52, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Evening Maxna, nice of you to reach out. Have enjoyed your contributions in recent years

That sounds good to me. Hollis v Vabu is a great candidate for the effort I’d agree. Others with some potential for GA I think are Briginshaw, Fox v Percy, and Farah Constructions

Happy to have a go at working on this together. I have a mate coming round for drinks tonight, i’ll have some time over the coming days Jack4576 (talk) 07:24, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Absolutely agree. Never heard of Fox and Percy but they all sound good. I’d love to see all the popular high court cases brought up to GA! They’re the ones students will be looking for and will get good viewership. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 09:50, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

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Jack, I'm starting to get very concerned about your continued conduct on AfD. I believe that you have made good contributions to Australian law, and I understand that people have differing opinions regarding what should be on Wikipedia. What concerns me is your !votes being based on tenuous arguments, or against policy altogether. I also have concerns about civility, such as asking non-Australians to not comment on Australian AfDs, which, as an Australian myself, is plain and simple gatekeeping. Your frequent "Pfft" comments towards other editors when they don't agree with you, while not a personal attack, is snarky at best. You've already had conversations with myself, @Wjemather:, @Valereee: and numerous other editors just in your talk page regarding your standards of notability and civility.

It is my opinion that you are here to WP:RGW and WP:POINT. Please take this as a final warning about your conduct, if you continue, I will bring this to WP:AN/I. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 00:47, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Consider your 'final warning' ignored. Feel free to nominate at your convenience

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Good article reassessment for How to Rule Your Own Country: The Weird and Wonderful World of Micronations

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Targeting another editor is disruptive editing. You’ve been warned Jack4576 (talk) 00:57, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

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Nomination of William Street Bird for deletion

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You've overplayed your hand this time, WikiLawyer Jack4576 (talk) 05:34, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

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Topic ban imposed

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Thanks El_C. I think there are serious questions about the ban discussion and closure and have filed a case request. Jack4576 (talk) 06:30, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

NP, but as I mention there, this was a community sanction, not an ArbCom-authorized one (i.e. logged at WP:RESTRICT rather than at WP:AEL), so you appealed at the wrong venue. El_C 06:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Please. "Bans imposed by the community may be appealed ... where there are serious questions about the validity of the ban discussion or its closure, to the Arbitration Committee"

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Jack4576 (talk) 06:41, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

So, it's not a normal appeal, then? I'm not sure I follow why that is, but okay. El_C 06:58, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Appeal withdrawn, I will do a normal appeal first Jack4576 (talk) 07:05, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

What do you mean by first? El_C 07:19, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

I still believe "there are serious questions about the validity of the ban discussion or its closure", however as ArbCom is only to be used as a last resort, it appropriate to appeal to the community at ANI first. Jack4576 (talk) 07:22, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

So, if the community were to decline your appeal, then you'll try ArbCom? Also, you have not tried discussing the substance of the sanction with me, instead you filed appeal/s directly. I think I could have answered at least some of your questions/concerns. Oh well. El_C 07:32, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes. As I believe the substance of your closure was seriously questionable.

Why would I discuss "the substance of the sanction with" you (?)

You provided your reasons in your closing statement, I think they're seriously questionable. There's nothing to discuss with you, unless you have further reasons to provide. Jack4576 (talk) 07:34, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

The closure was basically the only outcome that was going to result from that discussion as it stood. Further WP:IDHT behavior on your part is just going to make getting the sanction lifted at a later date more difficult. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:20, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

What IDHT behaviour ?

I wasn’t the only person who questioned that consensus as an outcome, but I’m done litigating this. Let’s all give it a rest Jack4576 (talk) 11:23, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Companion rule (Australian Criminal law) for deletion

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Oh I'm welcome to contribute am I? Jack4576 (talk) 08:31, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Now that's an interesting question. @El C, comment? I think I've seen restrictions like [1] with the caveat "...excepting articles they started."

But as currently written, no your are not. The above message is automatic and doesn't "know" about topic bans. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:09, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

advice re t-bans

Hey, Jack, I hope you'll consider this friendly-if-unasked-for advice, but when someone warns you that you may be violating your topic ban, even if you think they're incorrect (and in this case they were), your best bet is to ask an admin familiar with your t-ban for an opinion before posting in the same discussion again. T-bans can be taken pretty seriously, and the typical response to repeated violations is an indefinite full block from editing anything except your own user talk for purposes of appealing the block. Many admins will try to give you a couple of chances to figure out the boundaries, but the safest bet is always to ask. Valereee (talk) 16:08, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Yup. RIP. Jack4576 (talk) 07:30, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Indef doesn't mean permanent. It means 'until you've convinced us it's no longer necessary'. There doesn't seem to be a time limit on the appeal. If you work productively with other editors -- and some have offered to work with you -- you could appeal when they advise it's a good idea. Valereee (talk) 23:27, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

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I have blocked you for 24 hours due to disruptive editing and casting aspersions on other editors. Eight hours after being topic banned from AfD due to battleground behavior, you posted this comment. It shows the same exact issues that lead to your topic ban. Continuing down the path of seeing Wikipedia as a war between opposing sides rather than as a group of people trying to produce the best encyclopedia possible will lead to your eventual ejection from the project. If you would like to appeal this block you can use the {{unblock}} template. -- Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 19:33, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Jack, you have a law degree for crying out loud. If you were to have this same conduct in a courtroom, you would probably be held in contempt of court in no time. Try to act as collegiately as you would if you were in a courtroom. It will do you very good. You can be better. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 20:59, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

This was a comment on a policy proposal change re: policy and I think it was fair comment, especially since it was not directed at any particular editor

WP is not a courtroom, and editors are not judges. It’s a little overwrought to draw the analogy tbqh

Nevertheless, next time i’ll refrain from calling people saboteurs Jack4576 (talk) 22:55, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

No, I wasn't trying to analogize the editors. The analogy was meant to emphasize the collegial atmosphere we need to maintain. But thanks for taking it to heart. It'll do you good. If someone really does rile you up, sometimes it's better just to step away. Closing the tab is only a single click, but it can be hard to resist the temptation go lash out. Godspeed. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 22:59, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Noted X750 thank you Jack4576 (talk) 23:12, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

• Hi, Jack! I noticed you've put a semi-retired banner on your user page, and as someone who has been indef blocked in the past under kinda similar circumstances, I have to say I think that you did make a very wise decision, and if you take a break to think things over for a while, it will serve you very well. I hope that after you mull things over, and get the right perspective so you can think critically, and logically about the situation, it will help you be able to easily interpret things in ways that will empower you to come back as a better editor who is able to hold a difference of opinion, but still get along with others. (This is advice I could use myself too so it must be good) lol. Huggums537 (talk) 01:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• P.S. Also, you should give yourself some time to think about your appeal. You made lots of articles. I understand they've moved one to draft, and nominated a few for deletion, but you've got lots of them, and there are good editors who think and believe in the same values that are voting on the same side you would, so take your time and have no worries because from what I can see the ones that got nominated were mostly kept. Keep that in mind. Huggums537 (talk) 02:20, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

  Thank you Huggums I really appreciate your messages above Jack4576 (talk) 07:14, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

  Unfortunately User:Huggums537, the goon squad have zapped me again. Peace out Jack4576 (talk) 23:58, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

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Deletion discussion about Borkonyha Winekitchen

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I’m topic banned on AfD so no Jack4576 (talk) 22:43, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

May 2023

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 2 weeks for persistently making disruptive edits. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text at the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:24, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I've blocked you for teasing around the edge of your topic ban, continuing the battleground editing that led to the topic ban, and refusing to remedy the issues with your editing that has been pointed out to you by the community. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:27, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Great, now I’m unable to defend myself at the ANI.

I’m unable to point out that the Good Article Review raised as problematic by an editor was actually made before my prior discussion and ban

Well done. The goon squad out in force today I see

Jack4576 (talk) 23:41, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

If you believe that you have something constructive to add at ANI I, or someone else, can copy your response over. I strongly urge you to think long and hard before asking for something to be copied over, as part of the reason you're in the situation you are is that you've been bludgeoning discussions and refusing to adjust your behavior. Of that continues it is exceedingly likely that things will end up worse than they otherwise would. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:47, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Please copy over to the person that raised the GAR issue, that the GAR they are raising occurred before issues regarding my GAR quality were raised, and my GAR quality has since improved Jack4576 (talk) 23:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

You are certain that you wouldn't rather demonstrate that you're understanding and addressing the community's concerns by letting the discussion continue without your input? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:03, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Jack, I am totally butting in here and have no involvement in this matter. So if what I say is unwelcome, I understand entirely, given that no one asked for my opinion, but here goes.

I reached out to you to work on an article because I was really concerned about your conflicts with others.

Until about a month ago, you were pretty much the only other active editor at the Australian Law Project, quietly beavering away constructively and largely on your own. You had created many High Court cases and expanded the encyclopaedia. This is valuable work You have created many important articles and done a lot of work on the HCA list. We have many thousands of law students in Australia who will be looking for this sort of content.

Then, in just a short time, I noticed many contributions to AFD, and in my opinion, some of the arguments you raised were incorrect. I also felt that you made too many submissions too quickly. Then you lodged an RFC. Then you started making sarcastic comments about AFD. Then you told an editor on your talk page to shove off. You opposed an editor who had unanimous support at RFA on what I think many considered to be questionable grounds. Of course, none of these things in isolation are an issue because, in isolation, everyone is entitled to their own view.

However, bundled together, it just paints a picture of an editor with a bone to pick with everyone. If you keep trying to fight everyone here over everything, someone will eventually file an ArbCom case, and you may get further sanctions. I desperately do not want this to happen, Jack.

I really encourage you to withdraw from any active discussions and let things cool down. After the block ends, why don't you work with me on a High Court case, just like I suggested? I know I have been here for less time than you, but I have taken three cases to GA now and know how to improve some of your creations.

If you work with me, we can build an article together according to the GA criteria. I have really found that going through the GA process has taught me the rules of the place and been a great training ground for writing content. I think it will be the refresh button sorely needed here. If you ever want to chat confidentially, please feel free to email me or message me on Discord. I am not a veteran editor by any means, but Wikipedia has become an important part of my life over the last 18 months of being here, and I feel I have learned a lot during that time.

I'm happy to help in any way I can. Take care Jack! — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:40, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Jack, I tried defending you in the last week but pretty much gave up. Yes, I thought some people were being unfair to you but, by gosh, it seemed like you were egging them on.

I urge you to heed the advice given by Huggems and MaxnaCarta. We need you more making your good content than we do at AfD and ANI. The world needs the articles you're not writing more than the ones you're trying to save. For example, I think the arguments for deleting the William Street Bird article are bogus. I also think some pro-deletion supporters there are hypocritically being as BLUDGE-y as they've accused you of.

But you know what, life will go on without that article. We really need other stuff like Australian law articles more. Please take Maxna up on his offer.

—A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 01:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree with this a bunch. I spent way more time and energy defending that article than I should have. There are other articles way more important to worry about, but I can see how Jack got sucked in being that the arguments made by those for deleting are just so appalling you almost can't help but respond to the sheer audacity of them. I'm only just now trying to back out of the muddy waters to hope and pray I can come through that river of shit clean on the other side despite the whole futile encounter. Huggums537 (talk) 05:03, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Indeed Huggums thank you. I agree it’s just not worth bothering with anymore. I give up on that front. Will only be contributing to articles that are unequivocally and unambiguously notable in future; mostly in my area of expertise

There are serious issues with (1) the rules as drafted, and (2) the interpretations of those rules, (3) people making up rules; however the incumbent consensus just isn’t worth engaging with on this anymore

The inclement consensus can have its day. Things change over time, maybe it will one day, but i’m not going to bother being a part of it. In the meantime there are alternative wikis to contribute to until this one sorta it’s issues out

anyway thanks for engaging in good faith and I appreciate you looking out for keeping good content online

Jack4576 (talk) 05:43, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Sure. That's a good attitude to have about it right now. The best advice I could give you from my personal experience is that by the very slim and off chance you don't get an indef block, you will need to make good on your promises and be on your very best behavior to stay unblocked, because believe me when I tell you, if you think they were stretching the boundaries of your topic ban before, then look out! I'm here to tell you right now to make the smart move and avoid testing the limits of your restrictions because they stretch in all sorts of unusual ways that aren't always easy for you to predict or imagine so you have to be extremely careful and always play it safe. Huggums537 (talk) 06:56, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Great perspective, thank you Jack4576 (talk) 07:42, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

P.S., see XKCD: Duty Calls A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 01:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Okay User:MaxnaCarta, and User:A. B.

I agree

I am happy to never comment again on RfC or AfD or on WP policy discussions and only focus on law articles

unfortunately there is an ANI discussion going on where consensus is looking like an indef block, so it may be out of our hands at this point

I think it’s a bit unfair because I didn’t see generalist policy discussions as being ‘broadly construed’ as within a particular AfD discussions. My talk discussions at the notability policy page I thought was also constructive. Seems some other editors disagree though

Oh well. Kind of out of my hands at this point Jack4576 (talk) 02:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

There is a distinction between disruption and vandalism. I do not believe you are attempting to cause damage to the project, which would be unconstructive vandalism. However, I have taken a closer look at your recent edits, and I do agree they appear to be disruptive, in the sense that you seem to be repeating the same arguments over and over to make a point, which is not okay. I'll link this to the ANI, and we can see what transpires. If you are indef blocked, there are ways to appeal after enough time has transpired. However, taking a break for a while will do you no harm. Let's see how this plays out. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:12, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

OK Jack4576 (talk) 02:28, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

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Results of discussion at WP:ANI

Pursuant to the lengthy discussion at ANI regarding your recent behavior, the following result has been enacted by consensus:

1. Your current sanctions remain in place (2 week site block, topic ban from AFD, broadly construed and clearly this also includes policy-based discussions likely to impact the AFD process)
2. You are indefinitely blocked from the Wikipedia namespace.
3. MaxnaCarta is to act as a volunteer mentor for you (at their own leisure, they cannot be obligated to do anything) and you will only appeal the bans and blocks on their advice and consent.

If you have any questions or concerns, please let me know. --Jayron32 12:12, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Jayron32 I've noticed this hidden IP posting on a few AfDs that overlap with some of the ones that I was once a part of, using similar arguments to the ones that led to my ban.

I hope this isn't another user attempting to frame me for socking. Would be a sad use of somebody's time if that were the case. The IP in question making those edits is 2001:48F8:3004:FC4:D480:5FD5:9310:3BA4.

Thanks

Also pinging MaxnaCarta , talk Jack4576 (talk) 11:11, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Here are some example diffs: (1), (2), (3), (4). I think the disproportionate number of overlapping pages from this anonymous contributor raise fair suspicions that somebody is attempting to frame me for participating in sockpuppet behaviour here. Jack4576 (talk) 11:18, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Ping also RickinBaltimore, Huggums537 Jack4576 (talk) 11:19, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Please ping me again if anything actually substantial comes out of it such as a Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigation, but for now I would just keep an eye on it and be glad somebody else is voting on things in the same like mind as yours... Huggums537 (talk) 17:33, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

OK, but am I able to appeal the blocks / bans if he one day becomes inactive ? Jack4576 (talk) 12:16, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jayron32: Would you say a standard offer could apply here, say in a year's time if this is the case? RickinBaltimore (talk) 12:58, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Also am I allowed to add sources (without commenting, and without ref-bombing) to the talk page or mainspace of articles under a PROD or AfD ?

e.g. someone PRODs my article. Am i allowed to add additional sourcing ?

Jack4576 (talk) 13:27, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I’m not an admin so please don’t take my advice as gospel, but I don’t see how adding sources would be a problem. Also rest assured that I have well and truly drunk the Wikipedia cool-aid, so provided I can type, I’m not going anywhere. Jack, I am glad you can still edit articles after the block ends.

I don’t know if you meant any harm, but you really annoyed a lot of people so while I don’t want to make you walk on eggshells, I seriously suggest you do for a while. Stay away from other editors, no joke my best advice is not to talk to anyone for quite a while unless absolutely necessary or they’re an existing friend. Everyone needs to forget your name and this heat will eventually go away.

Many editors will now know my name here and associate me as the editor who turned the comments around from supporting an indefinite block. Please know your actions will affect my credibility if you end up breaking a promise.

If you just go back to how you used to edit you’ll be fine!

Good luck and let’s work on an article sometime after your block ends. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:05, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

From my understanding of the situation, normal editing of articles, even those under deletion discussion, are not a problem per se, so long as no attempt is made to discuss the deletion in any context. Also, if you have any question about running up into the boundaries of your ban, discussion with MaxnaCarta would not be a problem, and I trust their judgement. If they say its fine, I would take that endorsement as sufficient; however if MaxnaCarta has reservations about you violating your ban, or otherwise running into trouble, I would heed their advice. If someone PRODs an article you are working on, I would also seek advice from your mentor here. They are under no sanctions, and may remove the PROD if in their judgement, PROD doesn't apply. --Jayron32 14:42, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

OK, so to be clear, I can't remove a PROD an article myself without permission ?

I'll take that to be what you mean. Noted. Jack4576 (talk) 14:49, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I think what Jayron means is that since MC is under no sanctions, they can remove a PROD if they think it doesn't apply. It's a little tricky, as if you asked them to remove it, they could be accused of proxying, but in theory you could simply point out the PROD in a neutral way. Valereee (talk) 13:49, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Can I get some clarification on this please? Am I allowed to point out PRODs to other editors or not? Am I allowed to remove PRODs after adding sources or not?

I note PRODs aren’t actually a part of AfDs? and that my ban doesn’t cover ‘deletion broadly construed’ and instead covers AfD broadly construed ? Jack4576 (talk) 14:20, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Just one person's opinion...I wouldn't remove a PROD myself, if I were you. Again just one person's opinion, neutrally pointing out to some other editor a PROD of an article I felt I'd significantly improved would not fall under the t-ban.

If you ask MaxnaCarta to take a look, they can feel free to ping me if they think the PROD can be removed but don't want to remove it themself. My area of expertise is food, restaurants, chefs; Australian legal topics, not so much. Valereee (talk) 15:35, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

OK, cool. Your opinion is well and good, but I'd like some clarity on this issue. Jayron32 am I allowed to remove PRODs? Or is this considered within the scope of an AfD discussion? Jack4576 (talk) 15:51, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

What I'd say at this point is that you can point to my opinion for not removing PRODs. Generally when an admin has given you their advice on a t-ban, and you follow that advice, other admins -- even if it wasn't the advice they would have given -- will at minimum take into account that at least one admin has given you that advice. Generally that kind of thing is argued when someone thinks you've violated your topic ban. In this case it's kind of the opposite, but absent advice from JR32 or anyone else weighing in, it's I guess the best you have. Valereee (talk) 17:30, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes that was my take away. It seems somewhat a bureaucratic solution. I'll take it to be status quo in the meantime Jack4576 (talk) 00:33, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Valereee. I may consider raising any issues with a PROD on the nominators talk page, but I won’t be removing PRODs on Jacks articles myself. Not a good look. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:26, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you MaxnaCarta

No I did not mean harm. I am passionate about expanding the notability standard. What is non-notable for some is important social information for many. This is especially the case for cultures / peoples / places that are smaller, or otherwise lack healthy press coverage. Places like Perth, for example, have only a small number of low-quality newspapers meaning so much culture is missing. Australia too is missing coverage that you'd otherwise see in the UK or USA.

...

I know that a few other users and even admins are also of this view. However I have well and truly given up lobbying on this issue personally. It seems WP consensus would rather stagnate than address this issue and embrace reform that would improve this place. The internet is a very different place to what it used to be in 2004

Appreciate your credibility as a factor here, it is top of mind

Look forward to contributing again

Jack4576 (talk) 17:35, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

• Also, to RickinBaltimore, I'm also open to WP:SO. Generally, in my mind, 6 months good behavior is always sufficient to at least ask for reduction in sanctions. Of course, as a community sanction, they would need to appeal through AN, citing WP:SO. I won't unilaterally undo any of this, so that is the path I would seek if a WP:SO return to good graces is sought. --Jayron32 14:45, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks for the reply! I used 12 months as a cushion, however 6 months, especially with no issues would be fine, if their mentor is unavailable. RickinBaltimore (talk) 14:55, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

• Jack, I wanted to comment about this before the discussion ended at ANI, but since we are here, I think it is of the utmost importance that you understand exactly what kind of a pickle you are in right now. Just because you did not get indeffed doesn't mean you got a free pass now. Restrictions are hard, and you are here because a significant number of editors wanted to show you door (get rid of you in blunt terms), but a few thought you were worth saving so it was decided to let you skate on thin ice with some long rope for awhile. What I want to impart to you is that falling through that thin ice becomes more dangerous with rope all over the place tripping you up. You need to watch out for these kind of pitfalls. One real life example I can give you to help you avoid pitfalls is your topic ban from AFD, broadly construed and clearly this also includes policy-based discussions likely to impact the AFD process). You might be thinking all this means is that I can't comment at the notability page anymore. However, like I was telling you before, restrictions can be construed in ways you might not ever think about so I would tell you not to comment at any policy page, (but this would violate the Wikipedia:Namespace anyway), or even so much as comment about these policies on a personal talk page, because I have seen it where just having personal discussions have been interpreted as a violation of restrictions, but that is just one hypothetical example. I'll let you use your imagination to work out how carefully you will need to skate with this rope. I don't remember if anybody tried to tell me these things when I was unblocked, but if they did, either I didn't listen, or they didn't quite lay it out on the line as I have here so I hope this helps. P.S. MagnaCarta has some great advice. Take it. Huggums537 (talk) 03:19, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

  That seems to me more than a little absurd, thank you for alerting me to this possibility. Will keep it in mind to avoid tripping up any restrictions

  Appreciate your comment Huggums thanks for the sage advice Jack4576 (talk) 04:03, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

  Haha, well sometimes absurdity is our specialty here. Best of luck! Huggums537 (talk) 11:45, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

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You know I can't comment on these things, please do not post these sorts of messages on my talk page. Thanks. Jack4576 (talk) 00:50, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I left it as a courtesy message so you knew what was happening with your article. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 02:50, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Its fine to let me know, but please refrain from suggesting that I participate in the deletion review. Jack4576 (talk) 03:46, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

FYI JML1148 I have added some more sources to the article. Thanks. Jack4576 (talk) 05:52, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

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Pedantry on wp en

Is truly a pain - it manifests in sometimes ugly events.(sic)

https://trove.nla.gov.au/search?keyword=court%20hotel JarrahTree 04:19, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Apologies, I thought its name was genuinely 'The Court Hotel' not 'Court Hotel'. Happy for the namespace to be changed back if you'd prefer.

I agree with your comments re: the William Street Bird discussion Jack4576 (talk) 04:35, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2023_June_4#William_Street_Bird

is the most surreal event of recent, inneresting, not sure whether it deserves comment... JarrahTree

I've moved the namespace to 'Court Hotel' to reflect your Trove find Jack4576 (talk) 04:41, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

you must have more paywall access points than people have breakfasts in a week... JarrahTree 15:25, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

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Morbidthoughts (talk) 08:02, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

My understanding from the consensus formed through discussion on that page, is that at present, consensus exists that BLP is being followed whilst including ‘war criminal’ in the lede; due to Besanko’s positive judicial finding.

Please feel free to contribute to the discussion on this issue if you have an opposing view. Please refrain from reverting in the meantime until consensus is aligned with your view

It may be worthwhile opening an RfC about this to most transparently and effectively achieve consensus on this issue IMO. However, in the meantime, that’s my read based on the number of editors expressing the above view on the page and the arguments that they have raised

Jack4576 (talk) 08:09, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

This discussion needs to happen at the broader level. Local consensus does not override noticeboard consensus nor policy. I ask again. Is there a conviction under Australian law? Morbidthoughts (talk) 08:19, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Nobody disputes the policy

Nobody has disputed notice board consensus

People are disputing whether that policy is being complied with

People are disputing whether that notice board consensus is being complied with

My view is: Somebody can be a ‘war criminal’ in a substantially true, and colloquial sense, without a formal criminal conviction. This negative claim is substantiated by very reliable sources, including my positive and serious judicial findings. Therefore, BLP and consensus is being complied

Saying “does he has a conviction” misses the point, with respect

If you would like to elevate this discussion to a broader forum, I would welcome you to do so. I am of course happy to follow the consensus of such a discussion

I can see why this is contentious, and given this is an article with 200k monthly views; it’s important that we get it right

Jack4576 (talk) 08:50, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Including by* Jack4576 (talk) 08:51, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

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I have not breached the three revert rule.

I am not engaged in an edit war, let alone "currently involved in edit warring".

I have engaged in discussion on the talk page; and have already stopped editing until that consensus is reached. This is clear from the edit history of the page, when read in conjunction with the talk page log.

There were multiple issues with the article's lede, I have made multiple edits, but most of those edits were for distinct issue. At no point did I come close to edit warring over a single issue, or come close to breaching the 3RR

Your accusation is improper. Please never post on my talk page again Nythar

Thanks. Jack4576 (talk) 13:22, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

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Draft:Brian Slocum (law professor)

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Thanks again for all the content. Happy editing. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 17:12, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for this and the kind words User:A. B. Jack4576 (talk) 02:00, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you Diannaa, I found the copy on EverybodyWiki and thought it had been removed from here earlier for lack of sources. Didn't come across that site you have linked. I re-added it here with additional sources; but as you have noted it appears to be a Copyvio.

I might re-add the article in future while avoiding the copyright issues. Kind regards Jack4576 (talk) 15:04, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

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Absent copyright issues, that issue you identify can be fixed by adding attribution afterward

It’d be good for non-admin users to have access to deleted drafts / articles to confirm these issues in advance. Although I don’t expect that to occur anytime soon. Thanks again

Jack4576 (talk) 22:48, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

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He unequivocally meets #5 as he is Distinguished Professor at University of the Pacific

Why do you not think the eight academic-specific criteria has not been met?

Per criterion #5: "The person has held a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research, or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon." Jack4576 (talk) 04:18, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you ! Jack4576 (talk) 18:58, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Would have been nice for other editors to have considered the SNG properly at an earlier stage; instead of inappropriately moving articles to draftspace. At no point was it in question whether or not Slocum met #5 of the academic SNG Jack4576 (talk) 19:05, 24 June 2023 (UTC)