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Happy editing! Mattythewhite (talk) 23:24, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Ramos[edit]
Hey, it's 26+50+655 which is 731. Sorry for the messages, i got confused. I still don't see the issue, because the numbers are correct. Kante4 (talk) 08:17, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
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Much of Transfermarkt's content is user-edited. According to the site's login page: Whether player info, coach info, club info, or match report – as a Transfermarkt user, you can edit and add to almost all data by yourself. As such, the site is considered self-published source and not reliable]]. Please do not cite it in articles. Sir Sputnik (talk) 13:24, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
hello, I'm a basic user of transfermarkt and I can say that I can propose a modification but I can't do that without the agree of admin of the site. This is not an user-edited site but if you think that... Tell me if you find an other reliable sources for dean lewington because I don't see any other --JOGIROX (talk) 14:01, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- While there is some oversight on Transfermarkt, this does not change the fact that most of the site's content is user-submitted, with all of the issue that that entails. Notably, there was an incident several years ago where mistakes added to Wikipedia by a very prolific, but misinformed editor began showing up on Transfermarkt as well. Obviously, this raises serious circular reporting concerns. As for sources for Dean Lewington, I'd suggest starting with sources cited in his article. It's reasonably well sourced, so I expect you can probably find what you're for among those sources. Sir Sputnik (talk) 17:51, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Ok no problem. My last question is Dean Lewington has played 701 matchs in football league "without play-offs" and 712 if we count regular league + play offs. What is the number I must write 701 or 712 ? Thx --JOGIROX (talk) 08:33, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
- You're probably better off raising this question at WT:FOOTY. I don't know the statistical conventions for the lower divisions of English football. My read on the key listed at the bottom of the table is that the number should not include play-off appearances, but I could easily be wrong about that. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:39, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
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CR7[edit]
Hello!
First of all, sorry for the so much delay to respond...
Now, I must say I am writing on your talk page instead of the article's talk page so as to not deviate from the subjects of the sections there, and also because we are not allowed to turn it into a discussion forum, as per rules and regulations.
Regarding Buffon, I think his last three years are lost years. Knowing he would be treated as a reserve player in Juventus, it was of course a good choice to leave, but a bad choice to go to PSG, a team that already had two other basic goalkeepers (I guess he went for PSG because he thought he could win CL), where he was the 3rd choice goalkeeper, and then made again a mistake to return to Juventus without making sure first (before returning) he won't be used as a reserve goalkeeper. Had he been these 3 last years in Parma, he would have amassed many more appearances, but of course that's the least of his concern. He should have thought earlier of returning to Parma, as a person who is still on top level and is eager to play as the basic goalkeeper, and not for the record in appearances. This time he took the right decision by returning to Parma, declining the offers he had from top-level clubs and those were offers from clubs that will play in CL or EL qualifiers this season (and often win their domestic league) so to go to a Serie B Parma, because there he will be a regular, and a player who likes football and enjoys playing football shouldn't be on the bench. The offers he had show that even now he can still perform on top level in Europe, even at 43.
Of course, Casillas could have reached bigger numbers in official appearances, but, unfortunately, his years after Real and even his last year in Real weren't that good. In fact, he was sloppy and not a reliable choice. I could say he was good until 33, then something happened (no idea what) and lost his shape. He won 1 league and 1 super cup in 5 years in Portugal, which is a very bad record, especially if we take into account the fact that the super cup is a one-match trophy, and of course wasn't always the basic goalkeeper those 5 years, because of not having stability in his performance (like in his last season with Real). In addition, the way he left football (the heart attack) was shocking. If that hadn't happened, he could probably be still playing. He is only 40 years old and so had many years left to still play, but better to not risk it with health issues.
Now, responding to the question if CR7 can reach 1000 official club appearances is easy for me. He can 100%, and not only that, but he could beat even Shilton's record, which automatically responds to your other question, the one asking if he can make 1200+ official appearances. It's a matter of his will of how long he wants to keep playing, not a matter of if he can. Football nowadays has become so professional, and it's all about the physical condition, and not so much about talent-natural talent (thankfully, because it is fairer like this, since the one who works gets awarded), and the fittest (physically) players that I know at the moment are CR7, Sergio Ramos, Zlatan Ibrahimović and Dani Alves (more than the rest, the younger ones), so this means these players could play many more years football in the top level. Also, the clubs nowadays in Europe don't have the same mentality they had before 10 years, when a player would be considered "old" as soon as he would reach 32, but they sign players as long as they perform on the level required, e.g. an example of this is Ibra's return to Milan. I think CR7 could easily play in Europe and a club from the top 5 in rankings country until 43, 44 or even 45. Then, if he is not willing to stop, I am sure he could make a career until 48, 49 or even 50 in South America (preferable to other continents, if it's for outside Europe), and, if not there, I am sure he will find clubs from the USA or Asia (mainly Arabian ones, but he could play even in the East, e.g. in Japan or South Korea that have the best level in Asia) that would be eager to keep him in a top-level league until 50. You see, there are various cases of players playing until their last years in their 40s in South America, since many years ago, because South American clubs never cared so much about the age. Finally, there is the example of Kazuyoshi Miura who keeps playing at 54, and if one can do it then others can do it too. So, yes, CR7 is one of the people who can beat all records existing now, even Soh Chin Ann's 221 international caps. Now, if you had asked me the same questions about Messi, I would have said no, because Messi isn't that fit. Messi isn't a gym's "beast" like CR7, Sergio Ramos et c., so I don't see him playing beyond 40 (injuries will appear after that year that will oblige him to seize football), but CR7 could play until an age of 50+, if that's what he wants. By the way, even Messi is not a natural talent, despite what media claims, because the way he runs, the way he sprints, the way he dribbles, the way he stalls the ball, the way he controls the ball, the ways he passes, and even the ways he celebrates are all "stolen" by Maradona. Everything on him was Maradona's, but Messi perfected them. It's like he studied Maradona's way of playing and took it to another, maximum, level, so he is not a natural talent, but another hard work result, and that's the football of our days: exercise and hard work.
So, to sum up, in a football that has become "evolutionary" because the "fittest" lasts longer, CR7, as one of these people who go to the gym even on vacations, could play football for 15 more years, and of course by that I don't mean as a reserve, and so break all the existing records...
P.S. I prefer Messi to CR7, but facts are facts...
Kind regards!
Nialarfatem (talk) 03:23, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
Hello!
Speaking of records, I forgot to mention that I think one of the biggest possible coming soon facts would be Neymar beating Pele's goals' number with the international team, which will also be a record for a CONMEBOL player. Being the top goalscorer for the national team of Brazil is something, but also being the top CONMEBOL scorer in national teams makes it huge. Neymar is as liked as Pele at the moment in Brazil, because mainly due to him they won the only trophy that Brazil didn't have, a gold medal in football in the Olympic Games, and that turned him into a cult figure in Brazil. Yet another player who had three difficult last years, with many injuries, too much media doubt and even a rape accusation, but seems to be slowly finding his good shape again and is expected to return to his better scoring days...
Cheers!
Nialarfatem (talk) 00:35, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
Hello again!
However, it seems Messi will beat Neymar to that record (regarding the CONMEBOL player with the most international goals), since he now has 75 international goals, it's only 2 left to reach Pele's tally. I guess both will do it, but Messi will be the first...
Regards!
Nialarfatem (talk) 05:04, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for all these informations, we will see if Ronaldo can do it ! (The record of Soh Chi Ann is incredible if he is true btw).
P.S. : When I was young I prefered Messi (I started the football in 2009 in barcelona legendary season) but with the time I understood to like ronaldo, the "gym monster".
--JOGIROX (talk) 14:54, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
Hello!
The record of Soh is true, it's just that many records for many countries hadn't been gathered before, and they are slowly being recognized, with great delay in fact, because it takes years to get validated. The Malaysian FA has Soh with 252 matches and he has 18 more matches with Malaysian Selects (270 in total), so 221 is not the ceiling, but there is room for that number to go up. There are many matches not categorized as A-level, but this could change in the future. Let's say, for example, you play with the national team of France in a friendly vs. Barcelona, wouldn't you consider this as A-level? Similar matches could easily change to A-level, or even matches against Malaysia vs an U-23 or U-21 national team, because an U-23 or U-21 national team could be a senior national team, those teams aren't U-18, U-17, et c., they are adults (men), so to know there is room for more and not "fall from the moon" if there are updates that increase his appearances. Also, for the same reason, I must say the Malaysian FA recognizes Mokhtar Dahari with 125 goals, not 89 (that's what RSSSF recognizes), and FIFA only recognizes 85, but, as I said before, things may change, so it would be better if CR7 scored 126 goals with Portugal, so to be certain he'll keep the record, which I am sure he will soon have, 1 goal away is nothing for him ;-)
Greetings!
Nialarfatem (talk) 21:33, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
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Gareth Bale[edit]
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At the time that match was played, it had the status of a friendly match, so I wouldn't include it on a table or a list with official matches. It doesn't matter if the matches of the later versions of the tournament become official or (to me) even if there is a case that it retrospectively gets an official status, since what counts is what was the status of the match when it was played.
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List of men's footballers with the most official appearances[edit]
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I believe the next 5 would be Zlatan Ibrahimović, Luka Modrić, Sergio Ramos, Pepe Reina and James Milner.
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