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Equine Tapestry is a self-published book, as such, per WP:SELFPUB, it is not deemed reliable. see this. Sponenberg is reliable, as is anything out of the Veterinary Genetics Lab at UC Davis. Those are the main RS on coat color genetics. Montanabw(talk) 15:17, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for noticing. Looks like I used it in dominant white too. Please let me remove those ones, as I might be able to find alternate sources for some. Iamnotabunny (talk) 00:15, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
- Done. Iamnotabunny (talk) 03:19, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Tiger eye[edit]
I like the work you did on Tiger eye, only made a couple small tweaks. Montanabw(talk) 16:11, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks! Iamnotabunny (talk) 01:28, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
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Sabino[edit]
In light of recent research, it looks like Sabino (horse) may need some updates. You’ve been doing AWESOME work maintaining these equine genetics articles, and I wanted to swing by and say thanks! Montanabw(talk) 02:02, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Montanabw: Thanks, it's always nice to feel appreciated
. I took a look at sabino today and cleaned up some stuff. I'd really like if we could merge these two articles about the same gene, and just have a "Sabino and Dominant White" article. I might play around in my sandbox this week or next and see how the length would be. There's a lot of repetition between the two articles, both in the visual description, since Sabino 1 is not distinguishable from other sabino-phenotype KIT alleles by sight alone, and in the genetics obviously since the gene is the same. - As an aside, I was trying to figure out what to call the gene where all those W series alleles are located, so I looked at the titles of papers where the alleles were described, and to my surprise not a single one called the gene itself "dominant white". Instead they were always careful to only call the gene/locus KIT. The appearance, the phenotype, had various names including sabino (1 paper), dominant white (2 papers), white (3 papers), white patterning (2 papers), and white spotting (4 papers). So I guess "KIT gene in horses" would be a more accurate title for our current Dominant White article, but that would be even more confusing for many. Iamnotabunny (talk) 20:55, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- We can’t move or dump the Sabino article, I don’t think, because the term is still being used. But we could trim it and use it the way we do White (horse) to give an overview of the patterns with links to the articles with more technical details (a lot of stuff we now know is linked to splash also gets called “sabino”, particularly in Clydesdales and Arabians). Montanabw(talk) 23:41, 17 October 2021 (UTC) Follow up I went in there and did some cleanup, trimming and restructuring. It will need more citations and links to the right articles, but hopefully there’s a better framework for you to work from now…Montanabw(talk) 02:26, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
As for dominant white, that title was created by Countercanter, who I believe was getting a graduate degree in genetics at the time. It is a W gene, thus “dominant” and “white.” I suppose if Samantha Brooks or Phillip Sponenberg are calling it something different now, we could look at that, I think they are still the color genetics gurus. I’m hearing some chatter on Facebook about saying “white spotting” — except many W alleles can create pure white horses, so that isn’t a good name either. (Plus lots of other genes make “spots” — splash, frame, leopard, tobiano…) I’d be all in for expanding the KIT article with more material on horses, or if it’s undue weight, then a separate “Kit gene in horses” article, as roan and other colors are also related to KIT, as is Tobiano. Montanabw(talk) 23:41, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- I think the move to call W something other than dominant white came around when W20 was discovered and named, as that allele often gives even less white than sabino, and like SB1 is homozygous viable. Looking at Sponenburg and Bellone's book was a good idea. I'll toss in some quick quotes here before work, and figure out which/how to use them later. "Equine Color Genetics Fourth Edition", page 171 "...this overo group actually contains multiple patterns, including frame, splashed white, manchado, and sabino. Sabino likewise includes sabino 1, white, dominant white, and polygenetic sabino." p 188 and 191 (in the section titled "Sabino and White") "The relationship between sabino, dominant white, and white is complicated because the phenotypes overlap and they are also genetically related. They are somewhat easier to understand when discussed as a single group." p 191 "Multiple distinct alleles cause the patterns that are grouped together as sabino or (dominant) white. These all occur on the KIT locus, which is involved in several white patterns, including tobiano, white markings, and classic roan.(Table 7.1) The variability of color distribution in maximally patterned horses has long suggested that multiple patterns existed, and the genetic findings have now confirmed this. Sabino and white are therefore seen most accurately as a group of patterns rather than a single one, but the separate types have overlapping phenotypes that defeat any attempt to neatly separate them out from one another. Sabino and white overlap and are genetically related, so any discussion of them goes best when they are considered together." p 194 "In it's strictest sense, dominant white is reserved for those KIT alleles thought to be lethal to homozygous embryos." Also, looks like they're using white as the catch-all term for the W series, p 194-195 "The alleles have been given the white name, followed by the number indicating the sequence in which they were discovered." That's the first time I've seen that; I'll have to keep an eye out and see what terms others are using. Gotta go now but I can take another look after, I see you've made lots of changes :) Iamnotabunny (talk) 13:51, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- I moved the discussion begun on my talkpage to the talkpage of the Sabino article so we can hash it out further at the article in question. Overall I think you are on the right track, basically, but there’s a lot of old history that I am aware of (I’ve known a fair number of color breeders over the years out here, lots of paints and appies in Montana, and oh god the horse politics…) that probably needs context. Also, Brooks is a brilliant geneticist, but she sometimes shoots from the hip when it comes to suggesting new terminology… like the decision to use the SB-1 label instead of the W label…lol. Montanabw(talk) 14:18, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
Hello. I strongly apologise to bother you, but if you do not mind, I would like to ask a question regarding the article Transposable element. I believe it should include some information on the so-called Class III TEs (see: Pierre Capy et al., Dynamics and Evolution of Transposable Elements, 1998).
- E.g. some papers refer to MITEs as Class III: Multigenome analysis implicates miniature inverted-repeat transposable elements (MITEs) in metabolic diversification in eudicots.
- Another example may be Foldback (FB) elements, see e.g.: The transposable elements of the Drosophila melanogaster euchromatin: a genomics perspective.
- John Baez (2017) described Class III TEs as
a grab-bag consisting of transposons that don't clearly fit into the other two categories
, and added:Examples include the "Foldback" elements in fruit flies, the "Tu" elements in sea urchins, and "MITEs", or "miniature inverted repeat transposable elements", which are found mainly in plants and fungi.
If you find some time, could you briefly describe Class III TEs, please? Thank you very much. Kind regards, --Pinoczet (talk) 17:35, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
Bay[edit]
Sorry we had an edit conflict on the bay horse article. I think I got all of your edits put back into place, though I put the history at the end instead of at the beginning, and then I tossed a section header because it was redundant. Anyway, once I cleaned up the mess I made in the genetics section, I realize the rest of the article is kind of cringe worthy also, so if you wanna just take a whack at the whole thing, I am going to leave it alone now, and you can have at it. Montanabw(talk) 19:12, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Montanabw: Thanks for letting me know! Iamnotabunny (talk) 20:10, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
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