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Improvement District No. 349

Since you'll probably have the same thought I did after making this edit, I'll start the conversation. Let's wait until Friday to move the article, when AMA publishes their weekly update, to see if they have given 349 a proper name. 117Avenue (talk) 07:14, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

But it isn't the equivalent of a city! ;o)

Improvement District No. 349 is the official name. An approved order in council is required to change the name of a municipality and no such O.C. has been approved thus far, but waiting until Friday is reasonable in case AMA appends anything to the end of the official name like with other IDs.

On a related matter, I've been thinking of converting some of the redirects of the other IDs to articles, particularly No. 9 and No. 12 as these local governments don't represent either applicable national park as a whole. Such articles would focus on the local governments and would allow the respective national park articles to focus on other matters. Thoughts?

Also, Happy New Year! Hwy43 (talk) 05:38, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Regarding this, I'll search for a verifiable source to confirm which census division it will be assigned to. My guess is CD12 as the majority of the land for the ID came from Lac La Biche County which is in CD12. If nothing, it is a matter of time before it appears on StatCan's annual Interim List of Changes to Municipal Boundaries, Status, and Names publication, at which time we can assign to the proper CD. Hwy43 (talk) 05:53, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Kananaskis Improvement District is the only other ID that is located at its official name, and it doesn't need a ", Alberta". I thought the boundaries of 9 and 12 were identical to the Banff and Jasper National Parks, so I don't see the need for separate articles, as they would be on the same thing. I think the addition of a Governance section would be best, unless the article was already running long, then "Governance in Banff National Park" could redirect to Improvement District No. 9, Alberta. The WP:SIZERULE says 57kb is enough, but I wouldn't since it is a featured article. 117Avenue (talk) 23:20, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Also, I intended to say "proper" rather than "official", because often people refer to a place by a common name, rather than a number. 117Avenue (talk) 01:07, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
Municipal Affairs' municipal profiles and municipal officials search is now showing "Improvement District No. 349".

ID 9 is coincident to BNP, excepting thereout the Town of Banff. ID 12 isn't coincident with JNP[1] as it was split in 1995 into two IDs - Jasper ID and ID 12. Jasper ID changed to Municipality of Jasper in 2001 (specialized municipality). The MofJasper represents 8.3% of JNP's land area, while ID 9 represents 12.2% of BNP's population (Banff's area is <0.1% of BNP).

A Government section for BNP should summarize both the ID 12 and Town of Banff governments, while the same for JNP should summarize its two governments. As WP:SIZERULE indicates >50 may need to be divided and >60 says probably, I think separate articles on just the IDs are appropriate, modeled on Kananaskis Improvement District (less the G-8 Summit section, plus other relevent sections per Wikipedia:WikiProject Canadian communities#Structure guidelines to bring it beyond stub status).

On an aside, how did you check the current size of the BNP article? I don't know how to check article sizes. Hwy43 (talk) 17:57, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

So we can drop the Alberta then?

Right, right, right, the town and SM are separate, I should have known that. But is the Town of Banff considered part of Banff National Park? I am guessing so. Now that I consider a governing section would cover two places, that all makes sense now.

The page history lists the size of each revision. Also, the +/- on the watchlist is how bytes it changed. 117Avenue (talk) 02:30, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Drop yes, as you've already done.

Town is part of BNP. So we can create separate articles for these two IDs then (without the ", Alberta")?

Thanks for advising. I suspected it was right there staring at me. Hwy43 (talk) 07:20, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I've Googled and Wikipedia'ed Improvement district, and it seems only Alberta numbers them, so we shouldn't have a problem with the lower numbers. 117Avenue (talk) 03:16, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Okay. Improvement District No. 9 and Improvement District No. 12, or Improvement District No. 9 (Jasper National Park) and Improvement District No. 12 (Banff National Park) per official legal names? Hwy43 (talk) 05:11, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
AMA has to make things complicated, don't they? Can we just pretend the parenthesis aren't apart of the official?

But seriously, we could do a mix of common name and official name, with the article at "Improvement District No. 9", but the lead sentence saying "Improvement District No. 9 (Jasper National Park)", like what you've done to the highways. 117Avenue (talk) 06:32, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

100% agreed as suggested. Historically, I believe their official names have included the parentheses content for less time compared to when they didn't include this content, hence their former official names remaining the current common name. Hwy43 (talk) 06:45, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Improvement District No. 9‎ and Improvement District No. 12 created. Hwy43 (talk) 08:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Barrhead TownPost

Greetings & happy new year,

TownPost is a completely legitimate community site in the Barrhead / Westlock area, the site is free for individuals, policed locally (so that only locals can post), as well as free listings for Barrhead based businesses. It has been operating as such since March 15, 2010 (via whois). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dexcts (talk • contribs) 02:10, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Happy New Year to you as well!

I understand your addition of the TownPost external link was made in good faith. However, you may not be aware that one of Wikipedia's policies is that Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising. It is clear that the purpose of the TownPost website is to advertise. Therefore, it cannot be listed as an external link at Barrhead, Alberta. WP:LINKSPAM indicates that "adding external links to an article or user page for the purpose of promoting a website or a product is not allowed, and is considered to be spam." Hwy43 (talk) 05:38, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Townpost is a community site and directory, it's primary purpose is informational and local only. There appears to be a double standard, see the external Links in Cold Lake, Alberta an identical type site exists with the same anchor text and the site has the exact same purpose. Why would identical sites in other communities be permissible but Barrhead is not entitled to the same community awareness? Dexcts (talk) 05:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
No double standard. It is a matter of these things being noticed. Didn't see that one previously. I clicked the link and it was dead. Based on your description of the website, I've deleted it. Thanks. Hwy43 (talk) 06:00, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
I am still mystified that community based publications are irrelevant for the informational purposes of wiki, large corporations (who profit from their ventures) are cited often on similar pages. Whitecourt has a similar link to it's "Community Advisor" although this link also seems broken currently. Dexcts (talk) 06:17, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Additionally there is a page for Whitecourt Star a one line "stub" page for a small newspaper with 2755 circulation, would this not be considered for the purpose of advertising as you cited? Dexcts (talk) 06:23, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
The Community Advisor is/was a regularly published newspaper. There is a new newspaper in Whitecourt (forget the name), so that, and the dead website, are likely indications that the Advisor may no longer exist.

The Canadian communities WikiProject, under its structure guidelines, indicates complete articles about communities should have a "Media" section, which should include elements on local newspapers, hence the content on the Star and Community Advisor.

However, per the same structure guidelines, neither the Whitecourt Star nor the Community Advisor websites are official links of the community for the "External links" section, so they can be removed from the Whitecourt, Alberta article.

A stub article for the Whitecourt Star is a different issue. According to WP:ELYES, "Wikipedia articles about any organization, person, website, or other entity should link to the subject's official site, if any." Therefore, linking the paper's official website in the Whitecourt Star article is appropriate. Hwy43 (talk) 08:22, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Member assessment at the Canadian Roads Wikiproject

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Fort Mac Economy

These are not all mining operations, Suncor has Firebag which is a SAGD operation, in addition to mining.

Nexen is based entirely SAGD extraction.

These companies are by far not the only ones operating in Wood buffalo, there are dozens, however the ones I mentioned all operate Upgraders, which upgrade the bitumen into sythetic crude. 156.44.158.2 (talk) 05:05, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

If they aren't all "mining" companies, then why did you leave the term "mining" in the sentence when you added CNRL, Shell, and Nexen? Regardless, I've since removed "mining" on your behalf.

The fact that there are many more oil sands companies operating in Wood Buffalo is exactly why I changed "The largest oil sands... companies are" to "Oil sands... companies include"; because the five don't represent all, and all five listed may not be the five largest (a reference would be required to verify that claim). Hwy43 (talk) 05:22, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

10 Largest Canadian cities by census

Thank you for picking up on those errors! Some of those pdfs were extremely difficult to read and I guess my eyesight is not as good as it once was. --- Profe DB

No problem. I'll continue improving as and when time allows for further research. Hwy43 (talk) 04:27, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Population centres

Baaa, thanks for that. I didn't even know that the urban areas list already existed, so yeah, I'll merge the two. But yeah, as you'll notice, while I've gotten a lot of the work started I'm far from done yet; for most provinces all I've done so far is copy-pasted a fairly standardized introduction and an empty table to be filled in later. So anything you're able to contribute, by all means, go for it. Census. Bleah. Bearcat (talk) 05:21, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't know how to convert a CSV file into a Wikipedia table if I tried — so if you're able to, then hellz to the yeah. And some kind of way to include the large/medium/small designation would probably be a good idea, too; I couldn't decide whether to add a column which would contain the letters L, M or S in each line or to do separate tables for each class. I certainly know which would be simpler, but what's easiest for an editor isn't always what's most useful for the reader, so I didn't want to presume. Bearcat (talk) 05:35, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Wow, that CSV conversion is working out nicely. Bearcat (talk) 06:39, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

List of census divisions of Canada by population, 2006

Oops, I did go ahead and move the article to List of census divisions of Canada by population, 2006 and then copy-pasted the old contents on top of the redirect. I did this after I saw the notice of the new census, but before I read your reply in the talk page. Sorry about that... an administrator can undo this and re-merge the histories, even if people already start editing the new article. -- P.T. Aufrette (talk) 21:17, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I put a {{db-move}} tag on it, hopefully that will restore it relatively soon. -- P.T. Aufrette (talk) 21:35, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
No worries and it all worked out. Updating the table line by line is a significant and lengthy undertaking as you know (first 100 complete thus far). I can rebuild the entire table for the article from scratch quite quickly using the same method described to Bearcat here (see his replies in the section above). Let me know if you want me to take a stab at it. I can probably get to it within the next 12 hours. Also, do you agree that the last column should be removed? Hwy43 (talk) 20:15, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Deleting links to valid wiki topics

More than once you have deleted links to active pages. What this essentially says is that you will decide what is linked or not. This is not, In my opinion, constructive editing. Yaloe (talk) 06:09, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Deleted here as I noticed the article was proposed for deletion, and had the intent to return it if the article survived. Pardon the lack of edit summary the first time, but that was indicated the second time.

Third time was reverting after you reverted the prod decision claiming the seven days weren't up when they were up, hence this.

As the prod has since moved onto the WP:AFD process, the wikilink remains at High Level, Alberta for now. We'll now see how that plays out. Hwy43 (talk) 07:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Template:SCref

You expressed an interest in {{SCref}} a few weeks ago on Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board. I just wanted to let you know it's been updated since then. -- P.T. Aufrette (talk) 18:30, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I've been meaning to look a little closer at that after I got through my census update to-do list. Looking forward to using it. Hwy43 (talk) 20:15, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Request

Just wondering if it would be possible for you to go to this page, and do the same CSV chart conversion in order to update List of cities and towns in Newfoundland and Labrador (the final list should include only those places whose CSD status is either T for town or CY for city, and should exclude anything else.) This list has an especially extreme problem with people constantly trying to add every little unincorporated outport instead of restricting it to incorporated municipalities, so I'm hoping that upconverting it to a table format with columns for population and area and the like will resolve the problem. I'm also probably going to move the page to "List of municipalities..." instead, but that's for later. Bearcat (talk) 17:50, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

 Done If you can, please resolve the broken TOC. Otherwise I'll return later this evening. Hwy43 (talk) 18:59, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks so much. I'll take a look at what else I can do with it. Bearcat (talk) 22:25, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Census

You're correct, we should retain at least a brief summary of past census information, as growth patterns over time are relevant to an encyclopedia article. Bearcat (talk) 13:24, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your edits to Princess Theatre (Edmonton)

Thanks for your continued edits to Princess Theatre (Edmonton). I have nominated the article for GA status, but have yet to find a willing reviewer. Would you consider the job? --Rawlangs (talk) 21:21, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

No problem. I've never conducted a GA review before, and don't know if I'm eligible to do so. Good luck. Hwy43 (talk) 22:32, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Cold Lake

Why do you have two numbers for the 1996 and 2001 censuses of Cold Lake? Should there be a better explanation on the article? 117Avenue (talk) 06:29, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

When a municipality dissolves or amalgamates, Statistics Canada publishes a before and after community profile for the municipality. Go to the 2001 Community Profiles and search "Cold Lake". You'll find a hit for "Cold Lake, Alberta (Town / Dissolved)" and "Cold Lake, Alberta (City)".
There should and will be an explanation. I'll be adding a note similar to the note I included at Demographics of Ottawa#Population history. Hwy43 (talk) 06:53, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Azure, Alberta

Hi, You created this redirect saying "(create redirect of Statistics Canada locality to applicable municipality)", but didn't then mention Azure on the target page of Foothills No. 31, Alberta. I'm going to add it to the dab page at Azure, but it would have a better chance of surviving there if you could mention it on the page with a source! PamD 10:50, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I've made it into a stub, but a ref would be useful. Thanks. PamD 11:09, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi PamD, your message serves as a reminder of my intention to mention all of these redirected localities in the articles of their applicable municipalities. I'm not certain Azure, Alberta is notable enough to warrant an article, so I may return it to a redirect once Azure is mentioned at Foothills No. 31, Alberta. There are a lot of named locations within Canada's rural areas that have little or no history other than being named in the first place for whatever reason. Hwy43 (talk) 05:34, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Alberta Transportation photo gallery

Thank you for your assistance. You talk of interspersing some of the photos at other places in the article. As you "trim," perhaps you can find some more appropriate places for photos to go that would be satisfactory to you. I tried to find photos that were interesting, showing the wide range of transportation and unusual offerings and differing vistas throughout Alberta. All photos come from Wikipedia.Steverelei (talk) 17:25, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Neighbourhoods in Calgary land areas

I am getting the areas from the respective wiki articles and I (and other editors -- maybe) will be filling in the rest of the info as time goes on. If you check out the article's talk page I put on some indirect sources. They at least show the city has the info but they don't want to put it on the web for some reason. Trfs (talk) 05:30, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for dropping a note here and for explaining at Talk:List of neighbourhoods in Calgary#Area section. Your efforts and attention are appreciated. Like Calgary, Edmonton publishes a lot of great information on its official neighbourhoods, but little or nothing on their actual areas. Hopefully one of us can eventually find a complete listing of neighbourhood areas from a a reliable source. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 05:44, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

List of designated places in Quebec

Greetings, Now I did a little bit of editing by removing a few redirects. Now, If you want more help on the designated places in Quebec article, Could you talk to User:Bearcat to check the article and make sure there's no redirects. Also, there Is some French words on type it's written "Municipalité dissoute" etc. please talk to Bearcat to translate all of the French words into English above "type". User:Bearcat does a lot more editing than I am. So talk to User:Bearcat right now on this Designated places in Quebec article to be fixed. Thanks. Steam5 (talk) 21:23, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

I posted to the talk page of this article about why it's problematic to identify just what the heck most of the "dissolved municipality" designated places are supposed to represent... from the Map tab at the Statistics Canada page, they often consist of some oddly-chosen set of non-contiguous parcels of land within the eponymous municipality. They are not the eponymous municipality itself. -- P.T. Aufrette (talk) 19:29, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Area data

I asked someone from the city of Calgary about area data and he gave me a copy of it and this link [[2]]. Also, this stuff is copyrighted and the city has denied permission to copy it. It has a lot of source material for the City of Calgary. I believe this is part of the city's Open Data initiative.Trfs (talk) 23:56, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

What exactly did the city provide, and is it the same as what can be obtained at the public data link provided? To confirm, which of the two has the city denied permission to copy?

I've downloaded the GIS shapefile version of the community boundary dataset from the public data site. The associated database already had pre-calculated areas for each community/industrial area in m². I've converted the areas into ha and km² and ran a semi-automated process to build the following.

Does the above match what you have?

Before we start using it, I'd like to consult with some further experienced editors to confirm if using GIS-derived data can be used as a source. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 03:58, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

The data does match. The guy from the city was saying don't post the spreadsheet on the internet, just provide the link. I found this license:
License
The City grants you a non-exclusive, world-wide license to use, modify, and distribute the Data contained on this Site for any lawful Use. (Derivative Work) means a work that is based in any way or to any extent on the Data including without limitation any work that uses any of the Data in a modified form. You may use the Data to create Derivative Works using the Data and distribute said Derivative Works for any lawful purposes. You will be fully responsible for any consequences resulting from any use of the Data. Any unauthorized use of the Data, this site or content, will terminate the license and all the rights or permission granted by The City.
Anyways, I cease editing the area data. If we can't use the GIS data then all the neighbourhood articles will have to be scrubbed. I didn't edit them but the area data that is there doesn't seem to be referenced and some of it is wrong according to the GIS data. Trfs (talk) 16:59, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
My interpretation of the license is that we are free to use the data so long as the use is lawful. Unauthorized use would likely include, for example, reselling Calgary's "free" data to other users, among others.

I will invite another editor this evening to review this discussion and confirm if we can use and reference the GIS-derived data on WP. Hwy43 (talk) 19:22, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Also, what did you use to do the semi-automated process? I was editing by hand. Trfs (talk) 17:03, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
I used a semi-automated process outside WP in Excel to generate the row data within the table above. I did this using Excel's concatenation formula function, allowing me to combine the wiki code and the spreadsheet data to build each row. From there, I copy and paste the results of the processed formula into WP.

I don't have a similar process for doing spot edits to previously built tables, templates, or prose within articles. Hwy43 (talk) 19:22, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I saw the request to comment on another user's talk page and thought I'd chip in. I really doubt you will find a secondary source for the data with that much detail, so we can safely WP:IAR around WP:PRIMARY. Go ahead and use the data and cite it with {{Cite web}} and use |format=Esri shapefile, similar to how you should handle a PDF. As an added benefit, you can use the KMZ version of the data to create an interactive map showing each of the neighborhoods! –Fredddie™ 03:05, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Fredddie! I am comfortable sourcing the open data shapefile given WP:IAR and the following policy excerpt from WP:PRIMARY.
"A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that any educated person, with access to the source but without specialist knowledge, will be able to verify are supported by the source."
Trfs, I'll add the citation to the area column at List of neighbourhoods in Calgary#List of communities. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 07:41, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
No problem! It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to use {{Convert}} and have the area column convert to square miles for the metrically disadvantaged like myself. |disp=table will do all the fancy table formatting for you. –Fredddie™ 22:37, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Shirley, Canada

Hello! Can I ask you a question Hwy43? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xyepz4 (talk • contribs) 01:08, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Xyepz4, and welcome to Wikipedia! No permission is required to ask questions of other editors on their WP talk pages, so go ahead.

If it relates to my reversion of your edit at Western Canada, please review WP:OR, and if reliable sources exist, review in particular WP:SYNTH within WP:OR. Also note that Western Canada is an article about a region of Canada. Regardless if there are "published sources that.. directly support the material being presented" (per WP:OR), comparing weather conditions of a specific community within the region to another community outside of the region (and Canada even) is not really relevant to the article itself. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 21:49, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Template:Subdivisions of Alberta

Both "Improvement districts of Alberta" and "List of communities in Alberta#Improvement districts" are redirects, they redirect the browser to the target section. When a redirect page (Improvement districts of Alberta) targets a section in an article (List of communities in Alberta#Improvement districts), I prefer to use the redirect title for a number of reasons. If a section were ever to move, or be renamed, only one edit is required to fix all of the incoming links to the section, retargeting a redirect is easy, searching for incorrect section links is difficult. If a section gets a main article (I'm not saying this one should), linking to it would again be easy. If a user was to hover over a link, to see the target article name, or a blind user wanted to use a link, the user would read the name of the faux article (Improvement districts of Alberta), and know that it is the most likely place were the desired information is, where seeing a section link or target page name (List of communities in Alberta), might be confusing. So, I respectfully revert your edit to Template:Subdivisions of Alberta. 117Avenue (talk) 03:03, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I recall it being preferred to avoid double redirects (though this not being a true double redirect), but your detailed explanation makes sense. I reverted because of this, and that the edit summary was ambiguous about why the redirect was better than the 'more direct' redirect to the targeted section. I see that an edit summary probably wouldn't have had the sufficient amount of space to properly explain your rationale, so I appreciate you letting me know here. Hwy43 (talk) 03:54, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Help re.: collapsing tables

I can't figure out how the Template:Collapse works. I'd like to collapse the table of "Secretaries-General of the General People's Congress" at the List of heads of state of Libya. Please advise also if you think it's not a good idea; thanks.02:00, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

It appears that Template:Collapse is only for collapsing discussions on talk pages. The table you would like to collapse can be done by expanding the content within the table's "collapse" parameter.
Try changing:
{| class="wikitable"
to
{| class="wikitable sortable collapsible collapsed"
I've tested it and it worked for me. Hope this helps. Hwy43 (talk) 04:35, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Specialized city

hi. can yuo pleas help me with this article ? ===>>>>Specialized city ......; i wrote this a year ago and now he it is proposed to be deleted.

another article that i wrote has been deleted.

Thank you very much for the treatment and attention and listening. פארוק (talk) 11:15, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll have to decline the request for help. Sorry. I'm leaning on the side of delete, but will withhold comments on that discussion out of respect for you requesting help. Good luck. Hwy43 (talk) 06:37, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Alberta Avenue demographics

Hello Hwy43,

I removed the demographic information from the Alberta Avenue wikipedia page because it is 11 years out of date. The City of Edmonton held a Census this year (2012) but they no longer record income statistics so no comparable information is available. If you have knowledge or access to more up to date demographic information on income, please let me know. In the future I will add a edit summary.

Thank you,

Smithereen20 (talk) 18:10, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

2005 household income data from the Canada 2006 Census is available here. I anticipate the City will publish the 2010 numbers sometime after the income data from the Canada 2011 Census is released (if the data is of satisfactory state given the long-form cancellation in favour of voluntary survey constroversy). Although the 2008, 2009 and 2012 municipal censuses did not record income, it is still possible that they will in a future municipal census. Regardless, it is never good practice to remove referenced information simply because it is out of date. It is still encyclopedic, even if more current replacement data is not available at this time. Any referenced demographic information is better than no demographic information. Hwy43 (talk) 06:51, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

oldid

Hello. By the looks of your addition to Talk:List of neighbourhoods in Edmonton, it seems you may not understand how old page revisions work. I hope you don't mind me giving you some pointers. Each revision to a page is given a unique oldid number. Through the history page you can compare the differences (diff) between any two revisions, it is this URL you can link to, when referring to a specific change. To help me load pages faster, I have changed my preferences to not see the article below the diff, thus your links did not work for me. Instead you were referring to a specific page revision. You can access this by clicking on the time and date of the revision you want to see, in the page history, this is also a permeant link that you can copy from your URL bar, and contains the oldid of the revision. For one click access to a permeant link of the current revision, see the "Permanent link" link in the toolbar on the left of any page. For more fun you can go to Special:ComparePages, which is an easy way to compare the oldid's of different pages. Hope this helps, 117Avenue (talk) 00:14, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

So that's what the linked time and date are for. I'm behind the curve on realizing that one. Thanks for that tip. Hwy43 (talk) 04:24, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Fort Saskatchewan - FortRadio.com

Hello Hwy43

I am new to editing Wikipedia so I would appreciate it if you bear with me. The addition to the page regarding the new FM Station in Fort Saskatchewan is based on information available at http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2012/2012-9.htm

Further, I am one of the co-owners of FortRadio.com as well as The MediaList in Edmonton. Any help you can provide is greatly appreciated. MediaList — Preceding unsigned comment added by MediaList (talk • contribs) 03:00, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for dropping a line. I have converted the wikilinks you subsequently added with inline citations with this edit. The general rule of thumb on Wikipedia is to not add external links within the prose of articles. You'll see in the "References" section of the article, the external links are now embedded within the inline citations.

Also, I want to provide a cautionary advisement about copyright violations and conflicts of interest (in the spirit of providing you help as requested). Regarding the former, it appears some of the content you subsequently added was copied and pasted from the CRTC link you provided. I have revised that content so that it no longer infringes the source's copyright. Regarding the former, you've indicated your ties to FortRadio.com and MediaList. Be careful to not use Wikipedia to promote these (note I don't see your edits thus far as being promotional). Please review both WP:COPYVIO and WP:COI to learn more. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 04:08, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Hwy43
Thanks for the technical assist. (I'm learning).
With respect to Cite requirement for start date of FortRadio.com, I am one of the co-owners (Paul Preston) along with Gary Gordon. How does one note this, that we are confirming this information?— Preceding unsigned comment added by MediaList (talk • contribs) 04:28, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
OR, perhaps I can simply send you any new information regarding media in the Fort Saskatchewan area and you can post it? As much fun as this is (learning about Wikipedia), you obviously have much greater experience and an obvious connection to The Fort. Is this forum the best way to reach you? -Paul — Preceding unsigned comment added by MediaList (talk • contribs) 04:43, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
I will have to respectfully decline your request to edit on your behalf. Regarding how to cite the start date, I presume the unveiling of FortRadio.com must have received some local media coverage. My suggestion would be to conduct searches of the local newspapers' websites for past stories on "FortRadio" or "Fort Radio". If you find a news story to support the start date, use Wikipedia's cite news template to replace the citation needed template. Simply copy and paste the blank (and trimmed) cite news template from below into the Fort Saskatchewan article, and fill in the parameters that are known from the supporting news story you found.
{{cite news | title= | author= | url= | newspaper= | publisher= | date= | accessdate=}}
Hope this gives you the advice and tools needed to cite the start date. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 07:11, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Alberta GDP

Hi HWY43,

Curious why you are pushing for the listed GDP figure to be real as opposed to nominal? GDP figures are assumed nominal unless the adjusted figure is denoted by 'real'. Both the GDP ranking above the figure and the GDP per capita ranking below the figure lead to charts listing nominal GDP.

Cheers, camspring —Preceding undated comment added 09:08, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm not intentionally pushing one over the other. What I observed however is that the 2009 number that was listed corresponded to a source in which the number was real GDP. The edit that updated it changed it from 2009 real GDP to 2010 nominal without discussion. If all other provinces and territories use real GDP rather than nominal, then the GDP should remain real in the Alberta article to allow for consistency among all province and territory articles. If it is the reverse, than Alberta's should be changed to nominal as you intended. Admittedly, I've been meaning to check this myself, but it slipped my mind. Hwy43 (talk) 18:36, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Population

I understand why you undid my edit on the Edmonton Capital Region. I looked at the figures wrong and added incorrect numbers. One thing I don't get is where you get the Calgary Region total population from, and would Edmonton Capital Region not be considered a CMA not Metro? Also one thing would this (User:Kyle1278/sandbox) work the bottom number is all the areas 2011 population added together. Kyle1278 03:03, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey Kyle1278, the Calgary Region total population is a sum of the populations of all municipalities within the region, which happens to cover more area and therefore people than the Calgary CMA. See Calgary Region#List of municipalities.

For the Edmonton Capital Region, the CMA and metro populations are one in the same, hence the usage of the ready-made Metro parameter. However, in now comparing with the infoboxes at Calgary Region, Greater Toronto Area and National Capital Region (Canada), looks like using the blank parameter to show CMA would be more appropriate for consistency among Canada's metro region articles. I'll change.

Also, the total row at Edmonton Capital Region was a good addition. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 05:16, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

OK thanks for clearing that up. Kyle1278 05:51, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

?Ejere K'elni Kue 196I

Yup, it's even on my trusty old Alberta Sustainable Resource Development map. I can't believe it. 117Avenue (talk) 06:25, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

And I saw the same on the provincial website as well when I did a web search a half hour ago (which I can no longer find). The First Nation's website refers to it as Pejere K’elni Kue Indian Reserve No. 196I. The letter "P" and the symbol "?" are similar in shape (maybe I'm feeling a tad creative in interpretation). I wonder if it is a question mark because there is not an letter within our alphabet that can be used to pronounce the name. Another one of life's mysteries... Hwy43 (talk) 06:44, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
With only one source I too first assumed that the question mark was used by the AANDC website for a character it couldn't render. But then I googled ?ejere K'elni Kue, and there's plenty of results. 117Avenue (talk) 18:39, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
The question mark is used in Latin-alphabet transcriptions of Dene languages to represent a glottal stop, probably because of its resemblance to the IPA symbol. In other languages the sound is more usually represented by an apostrophe or opening single quote; in some Polynesian languages there’s a special character for the purpose called the ʻokina, identified in Unicode as a “turned comma”.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 05:03, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you ‎Odysseus1479 for shedding light on this! Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 06:32, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
On Wikipedia we are not limited to the Latin alphabet. Should we be using ʔ instead of the Latin question mark? Google produces one result. 117Avenue (talk) 06:43, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

(←) Ideally I should think so, especially if the question-mark version is retained as a redirect: few users will have their keyboards configured to have the character at their fingertips—and surprisingly few seem to be aware of the system accessories or app-specific shortcuts for accessing extended character sets. BTW, according to this Dene pronunciation guide, “ ʔ ” is only used at the beginning of words or after vowels; after consonants it’s “ ’ ”.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 07:10, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

I've just transfered the above discussion to Talk:?Ejere K'elni Kue 196I for the benefit of future readers of this new article. I've also created redirects of the three name variants to hopefully thwart any potential hasty moves of the article by readers that don't review the talk page first. Hwy43 (talk) 06:54, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
I've witnessed some pretty passionate debates about the use of diatrics within English WP. Would using ʔ, a character from different alphabet, ruffle feathers to the same degree? Hwy43 (talk) 08:14, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Since there are several Indian Reserves named after terms in other languages, I wouldn't think so. 117Avenue (talk) 18:48, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Alberta notable people - Thank you for your help

Hi Hwy43. I just wanted to thank you for your help on the Alberta notable people section I am a pretty new editor and I am still learning a lot. Thanks again. Much appreciated!--Fraulein451 (talk) 14:33, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

No problem! Hwy43 (talk) 07:58, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Beat by 30 Hours - Sorry :D

To be fair, I got an e-mail from stats Canada a while ago regarding the revision... Benefits of being the Mayor out here on the raggedy edge. Thanks for the help. Weaponofmassinstruction (talk) 03:52, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

And you probably received that email sometime before StatCan published Lynn Lake's revised count on its website on October 24 when I became aware of it. Did you receive the email regarding the revised count from StatCan unexpectedly, or was the revision in response to a formal request for StatCan to review the Town of Lynn Lake's 2011 census results? If the latter, how long did it take for StatCan to turn around the review after the formal request was submitted?

I ask as I am awaiting word on potential revised population counts for two of my municipal clients in Alberta. I assisted in determining where census blocks and dwellings were missed in the respective municipalities, but am removed from the actual request submission and review processes. Hwy43 (talk) 08:12, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

We made the request for a revision of the StatsCan original Census numbers (which put us at under 500 people and was having a huge impact on a value of grants and rebates that would be reduced proportionally) as soon as the official numbers were published last February (?). It took until early/mid-October for them to process the request. Weaponofmassinstruction (talk) 06:06, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

GAR

Edmonton, an article that your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TBrandley (talk • contribs) 04:40, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Edmonton Good Article Criteria

Wikipedia:Good article criteria this is the link to the what the page should follow continue to meet a good article standing. After reading it I don't think Edmonton falls into any of the Quickfails but the article dose need improvement. I would do more work but I have university and a job so I don't get much time on here to edit. Kyle1278 18:41, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

  • I'm not sure when he says and other unreferenced statements without the templates on the reassessment page if you come across any let me know and ill try and find a source or they can be removed out right.Kyle1278 17:52, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
I think what is meant is and other statements without supporting references. I'm fairly busy right now as well, but there are a couple unreferenced things in the article that bother me right now:
  • lead section, 3rd paragraph, particularly everything after the comma in the third sentence – I don't think there is a reliable source out there that can verify that Edmonton "has sustained much of the region's suburban growth within its own boundaries" (it is original research)
  • Climate section, first sentence in second paragraph – is there a reliable source that states that prevailing winds from the Pacific are the reason why it has milder summers than the two others despite its more northerly latitude? Having a milder winter than the other two should be verifiable, but verifying the second half of the sentence to explain why the first half is the case is likely a tall order.
Now, although I have not yet reviewed Wikipedia:Good article criteria, I personally felt the article was in good shape when I read it a couple nights ago. However it does need improvement and I'm sure a more detailed review will find some additional glaring issues such as those listed above. I just won't have the time to do so until the weekend. Hwy43 (talk) 09:30, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks I will take a look at those.Kyle1278 18:34, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Fixed up the two you mentioned. Kyle1278 23:31, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

The neighbourhood subsection is in poor condition. Very little references and lots of original research. List of neighbourhoods in Edmonton was recently revamped based on reliable sources (some of which I've yet to add however). This subsection should be a summary of the list article, describing that the city is divided into sectors and sub-areas (e.g., Central Core). Hwy43 (talk) 06:15, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Ill take a look at the section. Kyle1278 01:26, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
I'm going to work on it in my sandbox before i make any major changes to the article. Feel free to edit it as well.Kyle1278 01:30, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Sounds good. Hwy43 (talk) 02:23, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

I have made a shorter rough version on in my sandbox ill wait for your opinion on it before I change anything on the Edmonton article, and again feel free to change anything as you see fit. Cheers Kyle1278 04:04, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I trust your invite is to change anything I see fit in your sandbox before pushing it to the article? Hwy43 (talk) 05:21, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Yes.Kyle1278 05:44, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 Done It is now an even higher level summary, and I think it would be a solid base to push to the article. We can always add some more flavour to it later (referring to rural areas, town centres/TODs, etc.). Let me know what you think. The only thing we don't have a reference for yet is confirmation that the eight Mill Woods communities that surround its central core are named as they are. Hwy43 (talk) 06:24, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Ok ill push what we have done to the article, ill keep looking for a reference for the Mill Woods communities. Kyle1278 18:19, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks and good job. I'm going to return the TOD stuff to the article as it was the only existing content that was well-referenced. As for the Mill Woods communities, I've found a reference that confirms seven of the eight (as community leagues), but the eighth (Millbourne) is divided into two (Leefield and North Millbourne). This reference shows the same (see map). Hwy43 (talk) 20:31, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
I added the two references but what i'm wondering is if the two are split up should Leefield and North Millbourne have there own articles? Kyle1278 01:28, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
As the two references confirm the same thing, I'm going to remove the second one. The Mill Woods Presidents' Council surficially seems more reliable than Millwoods.net, which appears not much more than an advertising website targeting the Mill Woods and Meadows areas. As for Leefield and North Millbourne, they appear to be community leagues each representing two of the four neighbourhoods within the Millbourne community. I don't know if community leagues warrant their own separate articles. I would suggest making Leefield, Edmonton and North Millbourne, Edmonton redirects to Millbourne, Edmonton instead. Hwy43 (talk) 03:27, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Confirmation! third paragraph third paragraph third paragraph and second paragraph Hwy43 (talk) 03:38, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Good i'm glad this has been figured out. Kyle1278 20:23, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Sherwood Park

I'm sorry about that verification issue back in June, I didn't know about the original research rule, as i'm quite new to editing on wikipedia. I would greatly appreciate any help you might be able to give me with making citations. Chasmosaurus13 (talk) 02:59, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

No worries. It's a learning experience! Hwy43 (talk) 05:27, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Calgary post-secondary institutions

How can those two institutions be a public AND a private funded ones at the same time? You may want to change the Wikipedia entries about Ambrose and St. Mary's because both of them stated that they are privately funded. Rockies77 (talk) 07:21, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

As the reference at Calgary states, "There are 26 publicly funded post-secondary institutions in Alberta." The reference then proceeds to list the 26 under two subsets – Public Institutions (21) and Independent Institutions (5). The term "private" is not used anywhere within the reference to describe the latter.

Up one level at the AEAE website, it states that publicly funded institutions are "institutions (both public and independent) that receive several types of funding from Enterprise and Advanced Education and are accountable to the Minister." Therefore Ambrose and St. Mary's must receive at least some of the types of public funding from AEAE if they are listed as a publicly funded independent institutions.

Educational institution articles are outside my area of interest. Feel free to revise those articles using the above links. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 16:57, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Edmonton Clinic

Since there are two separate buildings Edmonton Clinic North, and Edmonton Clinic South now known as the Kaye Edmonton Clinic [3] [4]. Should they be separate articles or should the article be named Edmonton Clinic's and list both as per there names? Kyle1278 00:38, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Not sure. WP building articles aren't my forte. What I can glean is neither of those articles nor the official news release explicitly refer to an Edmonton Clinic North. I can only gather that the north building is now Edmonton Clinic Health Academy. Exercise your discretion and be bold. If you rename rather than split, be sure to drop the apostrophe though as it is plural rather than possessive. Hwy43 (talk) 02:57, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Merry merry

Merry Christmas
Season's Greetings to one hard workin' Canadian editor. Thanks for all you do, Hwy43. The Interior (Talk) 07:07, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


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