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This page contains discussions dated during the month of December 2011 from User talk:Hersfold. Please direct all current discussions there. Thank you.


Metalman59 topic ban

Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I've raised the question of topic ban evasion with User:Metalman59 on his/her talk page, based on recent edits of White people. While this article isn't on the topic of the Middle East or India, at least some of their edits have been within this topics, and WP:TBAN suggests that topic bans cover parts of other articles unless clearly and unambiguously stated otherwise. I'm not asking for any action, as I understand it's appropriate to discuss with the user first, but I thought, as the unblocking admin, you should be informed. I should also note that I am undecided as to whether the edits are problematic - I don't have the standing and haven't done the research to tell whether the edits are accurate, or are pushing a POV, or anything like that, though they feel as though they could be either (or even both). SamBC(talk) 13:19, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Just thought I should let you know (again) that the user in question, despite accepting my warnings about interpretation of topic bans, has returned to editing related areas of other articles, specifically White people. I have no idea if any action is justified or not. I simply let you know as the unblocking admin. SamBC(talk) 14:20, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Ack, sorry, I missed your earlier message. I'll take a look shortly. Hersfold (t/a/c) 01:22, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
I've blocked him 24 hours. While this does look to mostly be a misunderstanding, your explanation seemed very clear and yet he's continuing the same edits. Hersfold (t/a/c) 02:10, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Archiving

Hi, regarding this, does the discussion exist in an archive somewhere or do all the Requests just get deleted when they're resolved?—Biosketch (talk) 14:35, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

All amendment and clarification requests that relate to a previous arbitration case are archived on the relevant case's talk page (in this case, here). Hersfold non-admin(t/a/c) 01:11, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Self-redirects

Hi Hersfold. Do you use a script for edits like this? If so, you may want to tweak it so that the redirect points to the user page instead of to itself. Cheers, 28bytes (talk) 19:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Oops. That's actually me using the mass blocker on checkuser; I must have entered the wrong prefix there by mistake. Thanks for letting me know, I'll make sure to double-check that in the future. Hersfold non-admin(t/a/c) 01:08, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Concerning the Arbitration Committee Elections

Hersfold,

As a candidate for the Arbitration Committee elections, please be aware that your name has been entered into the SecurePoll ballot and can no longer be removed barring the most dire of emergencies and direct manipulation of the database. While you may still withdraw from the election, your name will not be removed from the ballot, but only struck through. If you have any further questions on the process, feel free to contact myself, the other election administrators, or the election coordinators. --Tznkai (talk), 2011 Arbitration Committee Election Administrator. 21:18, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

A question about AC-stuff

Not sure if this is best here or on your candidate question page, so feel free to move it if you see fit. This is a followup to your answer to general question 4, "ArbCom and article content". This provides an example of the sort of issue that comes up occasionally: The committee not making any binding content decision, but prescribing a method by which such a decision is to be made. What's your opinion about decisions such as this? Heimstern Läufer (talk) 02:37, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

I'll respond on the questions page, this seems best suited there. :-) Hersfold (t/a/c) 03:11, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your clear answer. I'm not sure I can agree with you completely, but I do at least see that you've given thought and have all the right ideas in mind. I think a critical part of your reply is "... but given the fact it's at arbitration and considering the subject matter, I suppose that would be a bit too much to hope for." I think that's a very critical thing to be aware of when dealing with certain disputes (ArbMac2 had a similar issue), and do hope you will keep that in mind if you are elected to the committee. Best wishes for your candidacy! Heimstern Läufer (talk) 01:38, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 November 2011

The Signpost: 05 December 2011

A request to reinstate a page

first, I apologize if I'm not following protocol on posting here. the following is the log of a page you removed back in '08. We would like to reinstate it somehow. It sounds like it didn't follow "bio" protocols - and that can be fixed. Just please help me, how should I proceed? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Montalbano thank you in advance. please reply to <email redacted> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slyonsny (talk • contribs)

You're welcome to recreate the article, however any article needs to assert why Montalbano is "notable"; you can find information on what this means at our general notability guideline and this one specific to biographies. The main thing to be aware of is that you need multiple significant reliable sources that talk about Montalbano in detail. If you'd like, I can restore the article as a draft to one of your userpages; just let me know. Hersfold (t/a/c) 23:29, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for the advice and links. And "yes" if you could upload/drop in the existing page as a baseline for me to review/edit/revise.
That would be most helpful. Not sure if I need to create a new tab/page, or if you will just drop it onto my general page?

either way - just let me know what to do to facilitate. thank you. Slyonsny (talk) 17:57, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Done, it's at User:Slyonsny/James Montalbano. Turns out it's only a sentence, I hadn't looked at it until just now. Anyway, if you need any help with the article, make sure to look at the guidelines I linked to; you can also get general help at the Help Desk if you need it. You might also find our talk page guidelines a useful read. Hersfold (t/a/c) 03:10, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


Thanks for your help. If possible, would love to get your feedback (and other admins?) on the proposed page User:Slyonsny/James Montalbano. Thanks again.Slyonsny (talk) 18:40, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Rollback

Hi Hersfold. What happened to my rollback privilege? Might be useful if I could have that again? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:30, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

It was removed when you were blocked; since the block didn't have anything to do with either rollback or reviewer, I've re-added both flags to your account. Hersfold (t/a/c) 23:33, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

User:Jerrymeng/draft

Hi. Please take a look at User:Jerrymeng/draft and its author in light of this block log entry. Thank you.   — Jeff G. ツ (talk) 16:24, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. We'll see what he says to your note on his talk page, it doesn't look like he's edited in the past week. If he persists in editing about his client outside of those fora, then I'll reinstate the block for violation of terms. Hersfold (t/a/c) 23:23, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Opinion on inclusion of keys?

Hi, I noticed you participated in discussions on Talk:Texas Instruments signing key controversy in the past and now that there are the keys are restored wanted to get your opinion there of which keys if any should be included in the article. Please respond at Talk:Texas_Instruments_signing_key_controversy#The_keys. Thanks! Dcoetzee 07:00, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 12 December 2011

A possible Checkuser needed.

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Cossde Intoronto1125TalkContributions 18:43, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Then request it following the instructions provided. I can tell you right now, however, that without any suspected account socks, any request would be declined. We don't connect users to IP addresses. Hersfold (t/a/c) 18:47, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
Okay then its not necessary then at this point. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 18:51, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Good on ya

I appreciated your stepping in on that question about what "awai" means. I went though this him with last year, trying to find out what it meant, and got the same rude behavior, which seems to be the whole point of the (apparently invented) word, i.e., "Go away, fuck off, I have no intention of discussing this further." I was tempted to step in, even if only to offer the definition, but I couldn't see how that could possibly help, given other history between us that once got him blocked. Still, I hold no grudge and I hope you can persuade him of the benefits of collegiality and communicating respect for others. I think he's a bright guy, but I also think he has trouble seeing himself as others see him. Msnicki (talk) 02:06, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. Thanks, I appreciate the support and background, although knowing that this has come up before is rather concerning. It's really not a huge deal by itself, but the refusal to answer a simple question (and rudeness in doing so) is concerning. Hersfold (t/a/c) 02:07, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Start here. Msnicki (talk) 02:18, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Kudos from me, too. Interestingly, the response here states, "in the context of Wikipedia, it's the equivalent of counting to ten". What status does this editor think he has which grants him the standing to publicly "count to ten" in judgment of other editors? I do not think this either helps other editors, or builds an encyclopedia.
He's been meting out this public opprobrium for years, ever since 2007 when he first deleted an appropriate caution from an editor he disparaged in public, and hundreds of times per year ever since. This year, 17 times so far in December [1], 8 times in November, etc. Given its sole use, I cannot conclude it's simply a made up word, or simply "counting to ten". He used it on me [2] [3] as I worked (and sought cooperation) to bring a list of software products from unsourced spambait into RS guideline compliance in Plagiarism detection (edit history). My edits were upheld by WP:3O, and he used "awai" on that editor, too. It should be noted that in this discussion the editor maintains and defends the belief that a single source must support all claims in a section or embedded list, and that multiple independent overlapping sources don't count, and never relinquishes it.
This is a sour editor who refuses to publicly agree, cooperate, admit a mistake, or (apparently) read policies or guidelines. When he was blocked for outing in November 2010, he repeatedly requested to be unblocked without apparently reading the guideline for requesting unblocking, and had to be pointedly spoon fed the words to copy/paste in order for his unblock request to be (finally) accepted. This editor is (in my opinion) unacceptably tone-deaf to cooperative, constructive editing or helpful discussion. --Lexein (talk) 07:54, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Here's another helpful link. Msnicki (talk) 08:29, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
My main concern here was his unresponsiveness; if that is indeed his answer, then that's that. If you do feel there are other conduct issues at play here - and I do admit that given his answer there may well be some - I'd encourage you to seek some form of dispute resolution to handle that. It's not my intention here to block or otherwise sanction Tedickey; I haven't observed anything that merits that. Hersfold (t/a/c) 00:10, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


ANI notice

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. It's not directly about you, but about the Golden Glory logo placed on your page. --NellieBly (talk) 18:19, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice, looks like it's been handled. Hersfold (t/a/c) 19:55, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you!

Congrats on your ArbCom appointment! Logan Talk Contributions 21:44, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Thankee muchly. :-) Hersfold (t/a/c) 21:53, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
You got it --Guerillero | My Talk 22:04, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Yes, congratulations. Alas no wafels available. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:08, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Welcome to the team! Jclemens (talk) 22:12, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, all! Jclemens, I was just about to leave a note on your page. :-) Hersfold (t/a/c) 22:14, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
DRAMATIME!

Congratulations! You get to handle all the wiki dramas now. Be sure to act with wisdom, honesty and justice, even with people who exhibit none of those characteristics. —Tom Morris (talk) 23:45, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Congrats! Intoronto1125TalkContributions 04:52, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Congrats on your appointment Hersfold ;) œ™ 09:46, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

We have an helper! Congrats! --Katarighe (talk) 12:41, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry

for not taking it directly with you before taking it to the community. I'm not used to questioning actions by others, so I just brought it up at the first place that came to mind... Again, apologies. And congrats on your ArbCom appointment! CharlieEchoTango (contact) 02:47, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

It's alright, it's just I'd rather that I hear about such concerns by an orange messages bar than second-hand on IRC. And thanks :-) Hersfold (t/a/c) 02:49, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

User:HersfoldOTRSBot

Hi, on Commons User:HersfoldOTRSBot hasn't edited in July, but is still listed as "operational". Can you clarify? Rd232 talk 17:44, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

It's manually run and I haven't run it in a while. I ca take a look at it later tonight and possibly send it off on another run. Hersfold (t/a/c) 23:15, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

User:HersfoldOTRSBot

Hi. At Commons I've received the message that 'Files you uploaded may be deleted' (File:Marmota menzbieri.jpg) because of OTRS procedure. I am afraid that this file does not need OTRS procedure as is the Flickr CC licnece per Commons:Stamps/Public domain templates Jacek555 (talk) 05:51, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

You need to tell OTRS that - the file was marked with an OTRS pending template, which means someone's expecting something. You can get in touch with OTRS at commons:COM:OTRS/N or at permissions-commons@wikimedia.org . Hersfold (t/a/c) 22:47, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 19 December 2011

Thanks for the help with JessicaZaluzecCM‎

Hi Hersfold, many thanks for the swift help with the JessicaZaluzecCM‎ situation. Best, Sparthorse (talk) 21:06, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

No problem, like I said, she came in the help channel on IRC and her story didn't really seem to match up. It was raising red flags for a couple of us. Hersfold (t/a/c) 21:07, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Request

Hi Hersfold, when you're online, would you please take a look at this request. Thanks and cheers. Salvio Let's talk about it! 18:39, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Looked, but I'll not rename an indefinitely blocked user. Hersfold (t/a/c) 03:03, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

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The Signpost: 26 December 2011

HersfoldArbClerkBot on user space

As Ents are notoriously longwinded, I was wondering if there is a quick easy way to temporarily point HersfoldArbClerkBot at a user sandbox? Nobody Ent (Gerardw) 16:16, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Um... not really, no. The enforcement of evidence length limits on subpages has always been a bit inconsistent anyway. If you're concerned about getting warnings from the bot multiple times, it's set to warn you only once per case. Hersfold (t/a/c) 03:02, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Thought that might be the case but thought I'd ask. As it turns out, I have room under the 500 word limit -- if I extend the submission does the bot rescan? Nobody Ent (Gerardw) 03:07, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Yep, it runs every two hours. Hersfold (t/a/c) 03:08, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Moni3's comments at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Civility enforcement/Evidence

I appreciate you have rules and whatnot. I only say what I think needs to be said, both in posting it in the first place and the words used in the posting. I attempted to go back and cut material, but gave it up. Everything I posted is necessary. If you end up refactoring my comments, please include a diff with the original material. --Moni3 (talk) 18:26, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

As I myself am not a clerk any more (I just run the bot), I likely won't be doing that myself, however due to the extreme amount of evidence we've received already I do plan to ask the clerks to enforce length limits fairly strictly. If you truly believe that everything you posted is necessary, and that there is no way to reasonably shorten it, we (you, the other drafters, and I) can discuss giving you an extension which the clerk bot will acknowledge. Keep in mind, though, that many diffs will speak for themselves, and tend to be preferable for us rather than paragraphs of text. I see you've only included two diffs, so adding some more may be helpful. Hersfold (t/a/c) 19:44, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Replied on my talkpage. Sorry for the orange bar. --Moni3 (talk) 19:52, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
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