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adoption

could you please adopt me? Tennislover1 (talk) 20:43, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I've already got an adoptee and I'm not sure I'd have time to finish my program with you anyway. I hate to turn you down like this, but there are plenty of others available here. Welcome to Wikipedia, all the same, and until (and even after) you get adopted, please let me know if you need any help with anything. Happy editing. :-) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 02:21, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Unblock

hi hersfold i want to shout at you but i will do it politly can u please unblock User: Sylvan Wu because i wasn't vandilising anything, please reply on my other account, Sylvan WuWuSylvan (talk) 12:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes you were, and now you're evading your block. No. Shoo. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:24, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Please consider joining the working group for the WMF DC Chapter

Please consider joining the working group for the WMF DC chapter. Since we have a very active and very community oriented DC/MD/VA area group of Wikipedians, it only makes sense to develop it as a chapter, especially given the recent changes to the Board of Trustees structure, giving chapters more of a vote. Hopefully we will be either the first or the second officially recognized US Chapter (WMF Pennsylvania is pending as well), and hopefully our efforts will benefit WMF Penn as well. Remember, it's a working group, and this is a wiki, so feel free to offer changes, make bold changes to the group, and discuss on the talk page! I hope to see you there, as well as Wikimeetup DC 4 if you're attending. ⇒SWATJester ^{Son of the Defender} 16:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll take a look at it! Thanks for the invite. :-) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Backlog at Category:Wikipedians seeking to be adopted in Adopt-a-user

Already have an adoptee, sorry. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 19:44, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

What and you can't handle more than one at a time :>Eoag (talk) 22:22, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

It makes things easier. :-) Plus, I'm not entirely certain I'll be able to finish things up with you, since finals are coming up soon for me. If that does turn out to be the case, I'll try to find another user who can take you on. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:25, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Good Enough

I have replied also at Talk:Good Enough.

However, I am concerned that you stated this was discussed on IRC, and that the page was immediately move-protected. Why was it on IRC? - it is hardly an emergency.

I did check the talk page before moving and saw that there seemed to be no serious objections - the post from Hunster in January in fact says 'If you want to move to your proposed name, I don't think there would be a problem.', which seems to imply no objection. I hope that this does not show an objection to me rather than to the move. The way, the truth, and the light (talk) 02:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

It was on IRC because we both happened to be in the same channel at the time. The move protection was my decision, to encourage the formation of a consensus which had not yet formed - Huntster's comment made it clear he thought there was a reason to keep the article where it was, and the fact that he contacted an admin to undo the moves confirms this. I'm also concerned you listed the page at WP:RM, then immediately made the move yourself before there was a reasonable chance for anyone to review it. I've had no interaction with you at all until now, so I don't see how you think this has anything to do with you. I myself have no opinion in the matter - I just want to make sure that whatever is done is done with community consensus. Talk things over, and once the protection expires, you all can act on whatever was decided. If you end up coming to a consensus before the week is up, let me know and I'll remove the protection for you if needed. Happy editing. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:08, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, I accept that this had nothing to do with me.

I did post at WP:RM. Because I though it was uncontroversial, I started the move myself so that an admin would only need to delete the main article and move it - I've done that before and it hadn't been objected to. It's true that someone moved it into the 'contested' section, but his edit summary implied that he did not object personally.

Also, there's no need to reply in two places - I see it here, anyway. The way, the truth, and the light (talk) 03:16, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I usually do, unless there's a notice on the other person's talk page telling me not to. I'll keep in in mind from now on, though. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:22, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Message box standardisation

I know you are interested in message box standardisation. We have now made the {{imbox}} for image space and {{cambox}} for category space. But before we can deploy these new message box standards we could need some more editors adding their opinions over at the talk pages of those meta-templates. And you might have some good points that we haven't thought of yet.

--David Göthberg (talk) 12:33, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll leave a note. Funny that last time I tried this, it got turned down. :-D Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:42, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I am aware of the standardisation effort you did that time. But there are some tricks to getting things like this done that you did not use. The old {{ambox}} standardisation effort also almost came to a halt before we applied them there. Since I think you will do more standardisation in the future I'd like to share the methods with you:

• You need a single talk page to discuss the standard. And you had Wikipedia talk:Category message boxes so you had that.
• You need a front page where you show off a single ready made suggestion that already looks good. You had the front page Wikipedia:Category message boxes but from what I see you did not show a ready made suggestion there. People need something to which they can say: "Yes that looks good, lets do it."
• The ready made suggestion if possible should be similar to the de facto standard for the area.
• You need to supply a ready made meta-template with the style so people feel that it is already "built" and so they can easily test it and use it.
• And in this case people preferred two good but opposing styles, coloured borders and coloured background. So I started standardisation of both image and category message boxes at the same time, so both styles were suggested and going to be used, thus making everybody happy. This I realised after reading the discussions at Wikipedia talk:Category message boxes, so that is thanks to you!
• You need to start with a handful of people to work out the kinks first. Since people get tired and leave pretty soon, and as long as there are serious kinks they won't say: "Yes, lets do this!"
• Then you need to advertise the standardisation project everywhere so enough people come and discuss, so that there is enough people to call it a "consensus" and so that they dare to deploy it site wide. When I didn't get enough people into this round of standardisation I made a watchlist notice and that seems to work.
• And this part is probably controversial: It seems you might need to have 1-3 persons acting not like a neutral Wikipedian editor, but more like a chairman. Leading the discussions and explaining things and behaving like you have some authority and expertise. But still being prepared to compromise a lot.

And I think that your first round of trying to standardise category message boxes probably paved the way for this round, so you did some of the heavy work. Thanks!

--David Göthberg (talk) 11:45, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow, you've definitely got this planned out. I'll make sure to keep your "guide to getting things done" in mind if I ever have need to do it again - with the work we're trying to do in establishing a Washington, DC WMF Chapter, I probably will. Thanks a lot, and I'm glad I was able to help in some small way. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 12:04, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

the thousanth time

Those images were a 100% free. I don't know how everyone mistaken it for being non-free. Anyways, what was the correct licenseing? --Condo lence> 03:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Microsoft's legal site (here) states that their clipart can be used for "personal, noncommercial uses". While that may have been what you intended to do, that's not acceptable on Wikipedia. Since our content is mirrored elsewhere, sometimes for commercial purposes, we do not allow non-commercially licensed images to be used here. CSD I3 clearly states that such images can be deleted on sight. Even if those images were not non-commercial, you would need to provide a copyright tag and an appropriate fair use rationale; however, fair use images can only be used (in limited amounts) in articles, not in userspace, so they would have been deleted eventually anyway. On another note, the term "non-free" does not refer to what you paid for a particular image or file; even if you were able to obtain it at no monetary cost, it is often still copyrighted and subject to various terms of use. I hope this helps some, but if not, let me know. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

DYK:Baseball uniform

The DYK nom passed yesterday but I haven't recieved the template. What do I do? Also, I fixed my nomination but I haven't had a responce yet. Do you mind checking the May 1 section on the DYK Template?--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 19:47, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Baseball uniform hasn't been put on DYK yet. As for your nomination, it will be added to DYK at an administrator's discretion when it expires, which shouldn't be for a couple days yet. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:03, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I see. Thanks.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 20:10, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

User:Hadsomefun

Thanks for protecting the page. However, you protected it with the abuse still in place. It should be removed. HtD (talk) 20:18, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't matter too much - there's no blatant attacks, and all the unblock templates have been disabled. Leaving it up also gives evidence for why the page was protected. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:22, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

OK! HtD (talk) 20:24, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Girls Aloud vandalism

Hey Hersfold. Yet another GA vandalism IP added to your vandal watch page. I suspect it is now a case of blocking that eircom range for the time being. ~~ [Jam]^[talk] 21:55, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Done. I kept it as limited as possible, so it doesn't cover the entire Eircom range, but should hopefully keep the vandal from doing much more for a while. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:44, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Hersfold. More vandalism - this time from the school of the person involved. Seems that, since they can't do it at home, they've decided to take to doing it at school. ~~ [Jam]^[talk] 11:08, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

List of Presidents of the Council of Ministers of Italy

Would you mind moving List of Presidents of the Council of Ministers of Italy back to List of Prime Ministers of Italy? It was moved unilaterally by Checco only 36 hours ago. Therequiembellishere (talk) 22:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Done. Let me know if you need someone to lock it there. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:30, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Therequiembellishere (talk) 22:48, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Blechnic

I don't think you would be able to ban this user, only block him. He has way too many constructive edits to be considered a simple troll or anything. A ban might be justified, but it sounds like ArbCom material. Certainly, a block was in order though. Aaron Schulz 00:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I never said I was banning him. He's just blocked until he learns to stop attacking other users. In the event he doesn't learn, then yes, I'll bring it up for further review at an appropriate venue. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:15, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

You're a big meanie!

Providing cites and evidence to my poor little troll like that! --Orange Mike | Talk 19:55, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, don't do that, I saw the header on my watchlist script and I thought someone came to yell at me for a declined unblock. X-D Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:00, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

REKillZone

Is a warning really necessary? An editor who jokes about anal rape isn't really here to edit constructively. Sceptre ^(talk) 20:25, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Had it been an attack directly at you, I would have blocked them immediately - since it wasn't entirely clear what he was talking about, I just considered it vandalism that merited a warning prior to a block. The user has been blocked, in any event. Sorry for the delay. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 02:17, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

User:Collectonian and User:Ryulong

OK, perhaps I've jumped in here when I should have left it to those already involved, but... from an outsider's perspective, it does kinda seem that Ryulong is just as much at fault as Collectonian. Correct me if I'm wrong, but surely current guidelines (i.e. in this case those relating to the MoS for TV programmes) should be adhered to up to and until any new guidelines have been implemented by consensus. I didn't realise that you as another admin were involved, and if I had I'd probably have steered clear and left you to it, but as I didn't, I don't really see that Ryulong's behaviour is much better. Please do prove me wrong ;). _TalkIslander 21:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I logged in for a quick check of messages before I went to class, and wasn't expecting to have to back up my actions on that. I have seen this, and will reply soon, but I'm unable to just now. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:55, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Not urgent - I think I'm getting to the bottom of it myself now. It does look odd to an outsider, but look more closely, and it makes more sense. _TalkIslander 23:43, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, from what I could tell, and what Ryulong was explaining to me, he was trying to improve the layout of the article to match others of the same topic. It may have seemed somewhat unconventional and contrary to existing guidelines, but he was also working on setting those up at the same time. Collectonian saw those edits and (I assume) didn't quite understand the context behind them, and reverted them, originally in good faith. At that point, Ryulong tried to explain the situation while reverting his one time, however Collectonian continued to revert the page despite the ongoing discussion and the involvement of two other editors (myself and User:Ohnoitsjamie). As I told Collectonian, I really don't care about whether Ryulong's edits are appropriate or not - the problem I had with the whole situation was the manner in which Collectonian continued to revert, in violation of the 3RR, and abusing their tools to do so. Ryulong, on the other hand, had stopped editing after his first "undo" edit, in an effort to explain the situation and stop an edit war. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:40, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Elitism

You said "marking edits made by administrators as vandalism is a violation of our policy on no personal attacks." Why is marking an admin's edits as vandalism considered a personal attack? Howa0082 (talk) 21:42, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

When involved in a dispute with anyone, calling their actions vandalism when they are not is rude and offensive. I brought the administrator bit in because Ryulong is an administrator, and one would assume he's not vandalizing pages. I was simply trying to make my point clearer, I was not implying that administrators are better than anyone else in any way, as I thought would have been clear in my later comments, particularly "Admins have no more right to edit pages than other editors do." Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:50, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. I just get really touchy when I see one admin saying, as it appeared to me at the time, that criticising an admin is against policy. I was wound up from the massive argument earlier today, and while I do remember reading your comment, I didn't remember that passage at the time I wrote my comment. Although, if I can point out, the average user like myself really dislikes it when someone's adminship is brought up in virtually any context of argument. It tends to feel almost like a statement of "It doesn't matter how good your point is, this other combatant is an admin. Thus, you are wrong." which can be frustrating, I'm sure you can agree. Anyway, I just meant to apologize, not filibuster. Sorry, fellow traveller. Howa0082 (talk) 03:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

FYI : ReUser_talk:Gnevin#National_sport

Wikipedia_talk:Consensus#WP:CON Gnevin (talk) 14:10, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm leaving a comment there. You should be aware that bringing up old issues in a forum where people are unfamiliar with your actions does not mean you an interpret guidelines however you like. This was clearly explained to you, by several different users, more so than was necessary. If you continue to deliberately misinterpret guidelines and policy, you may be blocked again. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 14:17, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

So wp:con is wrong too ? The moving admin was wrong to ignore my WP:CON I was simply reverting the incorrect change .However that is not the issue here, the issue is that no-one needs to object or approve for WP:CON to be formed, which is not what you said , i though you appreciate being made aware of the fact Gnevin (talk) 14:21, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Once again, you are deliberately missing the point we're trying to make. Notice that User:Kesh said "If there is an objection, then it becomes necessary to generate a consensus through discussion first." By reverting your move, the admin made an objection. A discussion was needed. Instead, you persisted in a disruptive edit war and refused to constructively participate in discussion. Now, you're posing leading questions in a forum where people don't know the whole situation, and using that as a justification to wave in everyone else's face to say "Hey, you were wrong." The fact is, you're still ignoring what we tried to tell you for hours the other day. I'm tired of explaining it myself, so go ahead and discuss it at WT:CON. However, please be aware that continuing to ignore consensus will lead to further blocks. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 14:30, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

So what your saying is and correct me if I'm picking this you wrong but admins don't have to discuss reverts even if they are using their Admin power to push it through? I am am trying to define where consensus lies ,do you acknowledge that as per the discussion above i had formed a consensus ? Gnevin (talk) 14:36, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, this is honestly the last time, before I bring someone else in to try and explain this to you, because I've already told you this at least once before.

Wrong. Admins are in no way more important than other editors. They also must respect consensus when it has been formed. However, silence does not necessarily imply a consensus, and it is within the right of any editor to revert you if they contest a change you have made, even if you proposed it previously and got no response. This just shows that no consensus exists and you need to discuss things in order to form one.

When no discussion occurs, no consensus has been formed. You can go ahead and make your change (that's why we have WP:BOLD) but if someone undoes your edit, you must stop then and discuss things before continuing. It's good to go to other forums for other opinions where appropriate, but when doing so you need to make sure you provide all the facts, not just the ones you want people to know.

I really hope you've got it this time, but if not, let me know and I'll ask someone else to try to help you out on your talk page. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 14:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok i've got all that ,and knew that long ago , what got my goat in this case is (apart from the con i formed which ok you don't acknowledge or consider that strong, but lets leave that for wp:con ) The use of administrator powers to delete the page to force the page move through surely that is an trying to be more important than other editors, I don't understand why I find a page moved and can't move it back I list it as contested at WP:RM why this didn't apply to the admin ? Gnevin (talk) 14:57, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) In this case, the administrator was acting on behalf of another regular editor, who requested they revert the move. It is probable the regular user could have done this themselves: see Wikipedia:MOVE#Moving over a redirect. For whatever reason, they didn't, and requested admin help. When administrators try to move a page over a redirect, we get a little warning message to delete the redirect to make way for the move, instead of the process listed at that link. This is considered acceptable and uncontroversial under Criteria for Speedy Deletion G6. In general, it has the same effect as moving a page over a redirect, so admin tools aren't even necessary; they just get used because it makes the software happier. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 15:06, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

user block

I reported 94.82.220.9 for vandalism, and you blocked the user from account creation (again). Does that prevent them from vandalizing or only from creating an account? Bubba73 (talk), 15:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

A block stops the user from editing, except to their user talk page in case they want to request to be unblocked. The other options we can apply just add on to that - so a block that's marked "account creation blocked" will stop them from editing, and from creating other accounts to get around the block. Help:Block and unblock has more information, if you'd like. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 15:30, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, now I understand that the block you did encompasses more! Bubba73 (talk), 15:33, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Coren bots

You are the man Mr. Brett. Thanks for helping a Bald Guy out and white listing me ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 15:32, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Quite welcome. Good luck flooding out Special:Newpages. ;-) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 15:33, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Could you add me to the whitelist? I have been doing a lot of what the Bald guy has been doing and the bot has been aatacking me. Just see my talk page. I would do it myself but I don't know if it would be interpreted correctly. Editorofthewiki^{review my edits here!} 17:06, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Done, and I've notified Coren that you two are now on there. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:18, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Urgent change in RfP for Tiananmen Square self-immolation incident

As the original creator of the RfP, the original edition as per Wikipedia policy was not the one which was protected. Instead, the new radical edition has been protected for 1 week. According to Wiikipedia policy, When protecting a page because of a content dispute, administrators normally protect the current version, except where the current version contains content which clearly violates content policies, such as obvious vandalism or copyright violations [1] As noted in the original RfD that I made yesterday, I clearly mentioned what the original edition was (not the new edition), which was what needed to be protected. I believe this to be a mistake on the part of the admin who protected the page. EgraS (talk) 16:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

That's a content dispute, not vandalism or copyright problems. Take it up with the administrator who protected the page, or talk it out on the talk page. I'm not going to revert anything unless there's a clear consensus. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:09, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

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[2] So do I re-revert with the summary "2 other admins and a steward think your wrong"? MBisanz ^talk 15:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Erm. I'll leave a comment on the talk page - he did at least mention something there. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:20, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

The COOKIE MONSTER ate the cow

Fattyjwoods ^{Push my button} has given you a cookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy munching!

Spread the goodness of cookies by adding {{subst:Cookie}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Hi, just to make sure you’re not too hungry, I gave you a cookie! I would’ve given you milk – but the cow just died and I tried to milk the bull but it kicked me in the face. *sob*. Anyway, enjoy the cookie!! Fattyjwoods ^{Push my button} 04:59, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, don't forget to have a few yourself. Get some ice for that bruise. ;-) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 05:04, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Won't repeat the mistake!

I finally logged in! KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 (talk) 06:10, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

May 13 - 31

Hang 'em both?

In all honesty, it feels like you're going to a mugging in progress and telling the two involved, "just knock it off." User:AppleTrees has been wiki-stalking me, and I'm starting to realize that he's just looking for the free English lesson. It's creepy, and it's emotional diarrhea... and I've done nothing to perpetuate the situation, just looking to defend myself against a serial attacker. -WikiSkeptic (talk) 18:55, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

My comment was intended to stop the argument before it got even more out of hand - and also hopefully edit conflict any escalation-in-progress. Administrators will be reviewing both your actions now that this has been brought up, and will determine if any action is necessary. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 19:00, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Well as Appletrees and my differing responses to your attempt to impose order demonstrate, it's the people who have respect for others, who actually have manners, and who don't "just try to get the last word in" who lose ultimately, isn't it? -WikiSkeptic (talk) 19:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

ETA: case in point: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Flying_tiger&diff=prev&oldid=211927446 You've told us to shut up and await judgment, and he's racing to find additional, currently uninvolved people to join in the fray. I think a block would be in order. -19:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

You're hardly one to talk at the moment. Keep this off my talk page - it's being handled on ANI and I won't tolerate lobbying here. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 19:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

In a moment of stupidity, I blocked you for 24 hours

I accidentally blocked you for 24 hours earlier when I had the wrong window open. Sorry for sullying your clean block log.-Wafulz (talk) 19:42, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Hersfold ^(t/a/c) lightly smacks Wafulz with a minnow. :P You rogue admin, you. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 19:46, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Now, if I had a vote here.......  :) OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 20:37, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Uh huh. ;-) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:42, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your caring the case and time. I owe a debt that you were accidentally blocked instead of Wikiskeptic. Your advice at ANI also calmed me down (you're a good speaker) and I also appreciated that. Best luck for you. --Appletrees (talk) 21:24, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

You owe me nothing of the sort - mistakes like that happen; I've made a few, and other admins have certainly made worse ones (see WP:STOCKS and Jimbo's block log. I was simply doing my work as an administrator, as was Wafulz. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Best and most sincere unblock message I've ever seen, too :) - Alison ^❤ 04:30, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Death threats

Hi there. I have the IP address now, in case it's needed - Alison ^❤ 20:54, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I already got it from Sam Korn, and finished the call. Thanks. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, great. Thanks - Alison ^❤ 21:26, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello Hersfold

I am sorry for not really contributing extremely much to Wikipedia, but i havebeen busy. Also, alot of my contributions have gone to my own page because i have been testing my signature and various writing implements. Gracias for the notice, but personally i shall not really need to post that much more on my talk page since i now get the hang of it. Oh, one more question though. How do you adjust the color on your signature? Au Revoir, ^{(no lie)}Iamagenius_{So bow}^{(my talk)}_{(my contributions)} 01:09, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd like you to make some improvements to articles before I tell you. I don't mean to seem as though I'm blackmailing you or anything, but like I said, we're here to build an encyclopedia, not make a cool signature. You'll notice a lot of the more experienced users simply have a default signature. Let me know when you've made some improvements and I'll show you the code. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:21, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

A Long Time Ago

Remember how you made that Userbar for me? (which I really appreciate :D), but now that I understand Wikipedia a bit better, I was thinking of getting an awards page. coul you please make that icon for me on my User bar. (Please reply on my talk page. I check mine more often and barely check other people's talk pages.) Chimchar monferno (talk) 02:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Sure, it's now up. The icon links to User:Chimchar monferno/Awards - enjoy! Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:16, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for all the help with the block situation.<font color="red">Battoubro</font> (talk) 16:25, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh!

I just heard about your Wafulz situation, and I'm sorry that he sullied your block record.<font color="red">Battoubro</font> (talk) 17:02, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

As I said above, it's not a huge deal. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:34, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey,

Hersfold, im a fast learner. As you can see, i have now learned how to utilize colors without having to be told. Im a genius, arent i? ^{(no lie)}Iamagenius!_{So bow}^{(my talk)}_{(my contributions)} 22:16, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, very curious question indeed...

Um, hello hersfold. I was in school one day and i heard someone talking about animal abuse. So, my curiosity was peaked slightly, and i decided to join in. After talking, they told me about a cruel, cruel maliciously sadistic video called NEDM. They told me to search it becuase it was banned from the internet. 2 weeks later, i decided to search it on Wikipedia, and no results came up. So, i was going to make the page (i saw the video, i cried) and i clicked "create this page". But, when i went to create it, it said something about being Administrator protected or something, and that i had to request permission to see it. What is that all about? Yours truly, ^{(no lie)}Iamagenius!_{So bow}^{(my talk)}_{(my contributions)}

Looking at the deletion log, it seems that several articles on several different topics have been created and subsequently deleted for various reasons at that title. At least one such article was about the video you mentioned; you can see the deletion discussion on it here. If you truly want to write an article on that, I'd suggest you do some considerable research into it, as the page is not likely to be unprotected unless you can demonstrate that you are able to write a fully fledged article that is capable of establishing notability for the video according to WP:WEB, as well as our numerous other policies which will need to be closely followed for an article on such a controversial subject. This page may also be of considerable help. I'd suggest working on a draft article on a user subpage of yours, such as User:GENIUS(4th power)/Sandbox, so you can show administrators what you have ready when you go to request unprotection of the page.

On an unrelated note, the contributions links in your signature and on your user page are incorrect. The correct link is Special:Contributions/GENIUS(4th power). Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that last tip by the way, i was wondering why it wouldnt link to my contributions page. Thx, i have fixed that. ^{(no lie)}Iamagenius!_{So bow}^{(my talk)}_{(my contributions)}

Do you know of any more vids like that,or did you find it in a shock site? If question 1 applies start a list of controversial videos. If question 2 applies add it to Shock site. <font color="red">Battoubro</font> (talk) 00:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, nother question

So, if Special:Contributions/(your name) means your contributions, then would Special:Barnstars/(your name) mean a page for your barnstars?

^{(no lie)}Iamagenius!_{So bow}^{(my talk)}_{(my contributions)}

No. You can find a list of all special pages here. Note, however, that you are unlikely to get any barnstars until you start contributing to articles. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

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Obsolete move protect template?

Why can I see the green lock and the move button at the same time at your user page? Alexius08 is welcome to talk about his contributions. 11:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Oops, I temporarily deleted my user page the other day to get rid of some nasty vandalism, and it looks like that cleared out the protection. I've reinstated it, thanks for the heads-up. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:03, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

WP:HAU

Hello again. The Highly Active Users project has gone through a complete revamping per popular demand. We believe this new format will make it easier for new editors to find assistance. However, with the new format, I must again ask you to verify your information on this page. I attempted to translate the data from the old version to the new, but with the extensive changes, I may have made some errors. Thanks again. Useight (talk) 04:24, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I added a few checks, but thanks for the update! Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:09, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

HAU/StatusBot

Thanks for fixing that. P.S. StatusBot works pretty good now, and you can use {{Truestatus}} to modify the time interval updates. cheers, xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 17:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'd kinda prefer to do it myself anyway, as there are times I come on to do a quick check of things and I don't always want the bot shouting to the world that I just made an edit when I really just want to head back off in about ten minutes. It does seem to be a lot quicker than it was though, the last status update it gave me was near-instant, it seemed. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:17, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Yea, I noticed your nifty little one-click-to-update thingee up there after I left you the message. Very cool. anyways, happy editing! xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 17:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Sock wars

Hi there Hersfold thanks for locking me out of the account creation was in the middle of creating an account when you blocked it for this sock wars. Stunner2008 (talk) 19:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

That's funny, since I didn't block any of the IP addresses you were editing from. Feel free to take a look at my activity logs if you like, but I'm requesting the other two administrators you contacted look into blocking you instead of allowing you to continue evading your block. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:20, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

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Question regarding coaching

Hey, Hersfold, I'm currently a a first-time coach (User:Hopiakuta is my student) and I was wondering if I could create a user talk page for my student and I to communicate in the hopes of better privacy. May I? --Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 19:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Of course! I've got a jillion subpages set up for my adoption program, take a look at User:Hersfold/Adopt (and all the rest). Your userspace is open to do (almost) whatever you want with it, so go ahead! Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 19:43, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! --Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 19:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't you actually wait for a person to accept your offer of adoption before you declare that they're your student and set up pages for that user? Hopiakuta's last edit was a week before your adoption offer which was close to three weeks ago. Metros (talk) 20:00, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I guess so. ^_^; --Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 23:24, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hi, Hersfold. I got help by you again! The vandal is like a sock of someone I know of (of course, indefinitely blocked user)Thank you for your hard work. Have a nice week!--Appletrees (talk) 04:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Listen, Darling

Hersfold, I'm not sure if you noticed, but User:Clarityfiend had a request over at the helpdesk regarding the Listen, Darling you deleted. It doesn't look like there has been any follow-up to the user's request. :) Thanks. Tiggerjay (talk) 04:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Not sure if you've noticed, but I just replied. Thanks for the heads-up, though. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:56, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Great... just trying to keep the helpdesk tidy. :) Tiggerjay (talk) 05:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

How to draw bob and bobilina

I think that's what is known as being too efficient! -- Roleplayer (talk) 00:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip.

Thanks a lot, seriously. I hadn't been quite sure... Thought I'd go with what looked good. But thanks again.

Peace, --~**_mustafarox_**~ (talk) 03:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Sure, thanks again. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Heads up

At User talk:Gp75motorsports, he's been saying that his conversation about you about creating a subpage for his "student" was your explicit permission to edit outside his topic ban. Are you aware of his topic ban? He is not allowed to edit outside the article, talk, and user talk spaces. Creating this adoption program would be outside the restrictions. On top of all that, his "student" never even accepted his adoption, and hasn't edited since over a week before the offer. You're welcome to weigh in if you please. Thanks, Metros (talk) 21:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

No, I was not aware of such a topic ban, although I did wonder why he thought he needed to ask someone about it. I had noticed the resulting comment that he should wait for acceptance, which is understandable, but no, if he's banned, he has no reason to be doing that at all. I fully endorse the block you placed - he was fully aware of the ban, and made a conscious effort to request "permission" from someone uninvolved with the ban and avoid mentioning it. Sorry for the confusion, but generally I don't expect people to be under restriction. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 02:04, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, no, it's not fault of yours at all, don't worry. You weren't aware of it and he probably played on it. A "mother said no so let's ask daddy and hope he says yes" kind of situation. Metros (talk) 02:11, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Almost exactly what I just pointed out on his talk page - this wasn't an accident, not if he's got any sense. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 02:23, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Why was my article deleted?

ok, first off, please dont block me if im commiting a violation by making this edit. im new. i dnt know how everything works, but anyway, i wrote an article about my movie making company Darkwind Productions and you deleted it! Why? I never had anything bad in it at all! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmoore2345 (talk • contribs)

You're not in trouble for asking - actually, I'd much rather you do that instead of repeatedly recreating the article like most people do, because that WILL get people blocked. It was deleted under Criteria for Speedy Deletion A7, because there was no assertion that it was notable enough to be included in an encyclopedia. Subjects have to establish that they are notable according to at least one of our established guidelines, or the general one that applies to all subjects. This is to prevent people from making articles about their cat, and so forth, mainly, but does apply to other things as you've seen. Since you do have a conflict of interest with this particular company, it may be best for you to simply request an article be created for it; this allows other independent editors to judge the notability of your company and write a more neutral entry. Thanks for your help, all the same, and thanks very much again for asking for help - it gets irritating having to delete the same thing over and over. If you need help, feel free to let me know, or ask at the help desk. Welcome to Wikipedia! Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:25, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Courtesy ping

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#STBotI --Duk 23:37, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

And replied. Thanks for the notice. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:36, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Ducksofmercy

How can you say that I will be IP blocked for block evasion. I'm not trying to evade a block - I am simply trying to clear up a misunderstanding. The reason I keep posting requests for reviews is that I believe the reviews have been flawed. Each time, I am greeted by the same formulaic response, which suggests to me that no-one has even considered my case. So far, I have only encountered one user who has been civil with regard to this issue. I would like to know if I can view this checkuser that you used as evidence to ban me. Also, I do have a theory. I have noticed recently that my IP address tends to change - therefore, isn't it possible that I recieved that same IP address as Zippygup did, and as a result looked like a guilty party. I look forward to your response 86.135.194.220 (talk) 15:42, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

The users with access to the Checkuser tool know to check for dynamic IPs. They would not mark you as confirmed unless they were certain you were the same person as Zippygup. I should note, however, that when contributions indicate a relation, even a "likely" checkuser result is often sufficent for a block. We call it the duck test - if you look like a sockpuppet, act like a sockpuppet, and talk like a sockpuppet, you're probably a sockpuppet, or at the very least a meatpuppet who is here for a single purpose. Checkuser evidence, due to privacy reasons, is not released except when required by law. I haven't seen it myself, as I am not a checkuser; I just looked at the contributions of you and Zippygup and agreed that the relation between you two was far too similar for mere coincidence. As for your IP, as I said before, continuing to evade your block will result in further action. Your block has been reviewed multiple times, enough that your user talk page is protected. Further appeals should be directed to the Arbitration Committee at arbcom-l AT lists DOT wikimedia DOT org. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

In what way have I acted like a sockpuppet. All my edits were fair. Also, there is very little correlation between the edits of myself and Zippygup - we only edited one article that was the same. I am not trying to evade blocks by using an IP - however, this is the only way I can communicate with any other editors. I can't help that my IP changes, because that is down to my internet provider. 86.135.194.220 (talk) 17:27, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not answering that question, because it would involve explaining how we look for sockpuppets, which isn't something that most people would share with someone accused and blocked for sockpuppetry for obvious reasons. Again, if you wish to make further appeals, go to ArbCom. As a blocked (and by default banned) user, you are not entitled to edit Wikipedia. Further comments here will be reverted. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:35, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

FYI

Dmitry Medvedev (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) doesn't like you very much. =) -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 03:12, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

No.... at least he made the sockblock easy for us. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:24, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Compromised account

Recently on #wikipedia-en on IRC there was a report by a user that they took over someone else's account by stealing their password. It seems there are no active admins on IRC right now and StatusBot showed you to be recently active. I've messaged 4 admins including you and was wondering if if you would mind looking into User:rory096's claims. Thanks! §hep • ¡Talk to me! 03:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Made a post on his talk page, looks like he was just goofing off. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

If that's what you really think, you should seriously consider whether you should keep your admin privileges. Blocks are only for preventative purposes, and even if somebody blew a sarcastic comment I made on IRC out of proportion, it was clear the entire time that I would not cause harm on the encyclopedia. A block would be entirely punitive and against policy. --Rory096 23:49, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

in reply

In reply to the question that you left on my talk page: the answer is "for privacy reasons."

Thanks for the thoughtful comments, by the way. Bwrs (talk) 21:33, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome, happy editing. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:35, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

RE: A Long Time Ago

I'm growning and moaning and trying to figure this out! Now, I'm stuck and I have to ask you another favour for making a few more things to my User page.

There is a border around the box that says something about leaving me a message and my User bar. Could you make that border go around the whole User page or its contents? Chimchar monferno (talk) 03:35, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I've moved the border further down and fixed how your bulleted list was displaying with the userboxes. Just so you know, I'm out for a couple months, so you may be better off asking someone at Wikiproject User Page Help if you can't work things out for a while. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:52, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I;m part of Wikipedia:WikiProject User Page Help. I've actually redesigned many userpages. Just visit my userpage for a list.--RyRy5 (talk) 17:53, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Ry, I think you need to focus on your adoption more than other's userpages. ;-) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:54, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Alright. Thanks. By the way, sorry for butting in. I couldn't help noticing this while I'm on RC. My adopter is currently reviewing my last 100 reverts, or so. --RyRy5 (talk) 17:57, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

		The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
		I award my first barnstar to Hersfold for making many edits on Wikipedia and helping people in need (like me). You might've gotten this award before, but you might as well get another one. Chimchar monferno (talk) 02:33, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, as always. I'm glad I could help out. Hersfold non-admin (talk) 22:54, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Semi Page Protection - User (talk) page - Permanent

Hey,

My userspace keeps getting vandalised, twice tonight by 2 diff users, can you apply semi page protection to some pageS? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prom3th3an (talk • contribs)

It's already been done. In the future, you'll usually get a faster response at WP:RFPP, and it also helps to sign your posts on talk pages. I'm not currently active, so it's good to see someone else took care of it. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks anyway, i usally do sign my messages (quite odd that i didnt :-) Prom3th3an (talk) 22:21, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

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User:DirtyEuropeanSocialist

Hello Hersfold. I consider this to be a very bad block,[3], and it's clearly rightly pissed him off. One link, once, on a talk page and then hardblocked without further ceremony? Will you consider reversing your block please, or at least be a bit kinder to genuine contributors? Thanks. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 21:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree. This is the user known as DirtyEuropeanSocialist. Hersfold banned me as soon as I had simply added a link to my own user page. I did not realise this was seen as spam. It was my own user page. Yet I was banned immediately without even the right to simply remove my link on my own user page. What really annoys me though is that Hersfold even removed a totally acceptable edit that I had made on the Scottish MA wiki page. I had created my account specifically to point out a fact on the Scottish MA wikipedia page that scottish MAs are ranked in cycle two of the Bologna accord. And this edit was simply removed. Why? You did you not even look up why I had made this edit. I do not know what Hersfold is upto. But I am very annoyed. I will complain to wikipedia. You cannot simply ban people without warning. Do you get a kick out of annoying people or banning them or bossing them around, are you a bully? I am not surprised people have vandalised your page is this is how you treat people. Wikipedia is not somewhere for you to ban people. It is bloody infuriating. As this is an issue I take seriously. And I seriously doubt you have any concern on the issue at all. :

Blocked as a ban evading sock. MBisanz ^talk 00:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

And that's an even worse block. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 00:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

You get to appeal your block on your main account, to the unblock mailing list, to arbcom, etc. Regardless of how bad a block is, it does not give one permission to sock to get around it. MBisanz ^talk 01:07, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

It was more than one link, the username is problematic in itself, and his personal attacks and socking after the fact aren't helping the situation either, of course. According to the username policy, we block usernames that have a clear and distinct conflict of interest or are clearly promotional. This one also has the additional pleasantry of being potentially offensive to boot. I'd be more than welcome to give him a {{2nd chance}}, but he's got to stop the attacks and socking first. Since I am, as the banner at the top of my talk page clearly states, on vacation, I'm not really able to actively involve myself in extensive reviews of cases that I believe to be good, or at least justifiable, blocks, nor do I feel comfortable logging into my admin account over what I know to be an unsecured connection. You're free to unblock him if you feel he is here to usefully contribute, but judging by his more recent conduct, I doubt he is. Hersfold non-admin^(t/a/c) 23:19, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Continued sockage

Rubbish no one would ever be able to reply then. This guy banned someone without a good reason. He could have just given a wanring and then gave him a total ban. Those e-mails take weeks to respond too. Stop standing up for bad officiating.

And reblocked for further block evasion. We have channels to process unblock requests, use them. MBisanz ^talk 21:17, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

AFD Closure

I nominated Toronto West Detention Centre for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toronto West Detention Centre. The creator fixed it up so I closed the AFD. I need to make sure that I did everything correct in closing it. Thanks LegoK^ontribsT^alkM 23:18, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Looks good! Main reply left on your talk. Hersfold non-admin^(t/a/c) 23:25, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Help page patrol

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Hersfold is on a three month no-interent break. MBisanz ^talk 19:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm off for a bit, but thanks for the note! I see the discussion's already finished, I'll try to keep it in mind for when I come back. Hersfold non-admin^(t/a/c) 23:28, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Permanent IP Block or Extended (5 Yr intervals)

Dont Worry :-) Its on admin notice board now Prom3th3an (talk) 07:54, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, best of luck with that. Hersfold non-admin^(t/a/c) 12:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

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