User talk:Haus/Archive 7

Infobox Ship Class

Are you still in the mood for more box conversions? Template:Infobox Ship Class is another one that has to go and despite how much I try to inform people that it's deprecated, they still keep using it. I assume anyway that once it's deleted people can't use it anymore? --Brad (talk) 21:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey Brad. I can't promise anything, but I can probably help speed things along. I see that there's between 500 and 1000 uses, so that's not horrendous. I can put together a doggie-door converter to make it a 1-click process in AWB. Do you happen to have WP:AWB access? (And yes, after it's deleted they can try to use it, but it won't do anything.) Cheers. Haus^Talk 22:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I started writing a converter at User:Haus/9. It's not quite ready for prime time, but I have left some notes on the page. There are a bunch of undocumented fields that I didn't notice, so I'll have to put in support for that as well. Cheers. Haus^Talk 22:43, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey Haus! Wanted to give my thoughts on the conversions, and the fields that don't quite carry over.

First, we left "Ships fitting out" off of the new box because it seems almost indistinguishable from "Ships building". I mean, where's the transition? At launch? Why? I doubt the field is used much, and I seriously doubt any article uses both "Ships building" and "Ships fitting out". I'd put the value in "Ships fitting out" into the new box's "Ships building" field; if both "building" and "fitting out" are used on an old box, I'd consider adding the numbers together.

I don't know quite how to deal with "Ships converted". I've seen it used, but I'm just not sure if it's useful info. Could we just lose it?

"Ships out of service" maps to "Ships retired"; we felt like the new phrasing would make it more clear how the field should be used.

"Ships sunk" maps to "Ships lost"; again, we felt like the new phrasing would be more clear. The number of ships lost is very useful, while "Ships sunk" could imply ships sunk as a target, or even ships lost + ships sunk as targets, which is less useful.

We intentionally left off "Ships scrapped" because essentially, "Ships out of service" - "Ships preserved" = the number of ships which left service but were not preserved, and were therefore scrapped.

"Ships unbuilt" maps to "Ships cancelled".

The "Characteristics for" field prints text in parenthesis next to "General characteristics"; this will map to the "Header caption" field of Infobox Ship Characteristics, but you'll need to add the parenthesis, because "Header caption" doesn't provide them automatically.

"Class ships" should go. I really don't think it's desirable to have a text list of all the ships in the class in the infobox. The proper place for that is in a footer template, and possibly in a nice table in the article which provides a nice summary of important dates. TomTheHand (talk) 03:37, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Tom. You, as they say, da man. I'm not entirely awake yet, but at first glance, I think that clears everything up. I'm thinking that stuff that maps outside of {{Infobox Ship Begin}} can literally map outside of the template, wrapped in comments and nowikis. I'll let you know how it turns out. Cheers. Haus^Talk 10:05, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I do have AWB access but have never really used it much. I found it more difficult to use than I was willing to learn but I understand the basic concept of it. I would likely need some coaching. --Brad (talk) 02:36, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll be happy to walk you through it: it's a snap, and saves a lot of wear an tear on the fingers when doing mass conversions. If everything goes well, I should have a converter working today. Cheers. Haus^Talk 10:05, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

(← outdent) The converter User:Haus/9 seems to be more-or-less working. There are two comments at the top about ships scrapped and converted that aren't being generated correctly. Other than that, I've done about 10 conversions and haven't seen any peculiar behavior. I'll see if I can fix the comment dealies late tonight or in the morning. Cheers. Haus^Talk

I did around 100 conversions this morning and only noticed one problem -- there's an article where {{Infobox Class}} is inside a {{Infobox Ship Begin}} which I skipped. I also added AWB instructions. Cheers. Haus^Talk 13:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I do have a comment: "Class type" in the old box should map to "Ship type" in Infobox Ship Characteristics, not "Ship class"; "Ship type" displays as "Type:" and is intended to receive something like "aircraft carrier", while "Ship class" displays as "Class and type:" and is intended to receive something like "Essex-class aircraft carrier", which isn't useful on a class article. TomTheHand (talk) 13:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Changed as suggested, thanks! Haus^Talk 13:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem. It also appears that image captions which are specified as "Class caption=" are getting lost rather than converted. I'll let you know if I see anything else. Great job, and awesome idea doing conversions with a subst'd template! TomTheHand (talk) 13:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I added support for "Class caption=" as you suggested. Gonna let things settle for a bit and get back into conversion later. I ran across maybe a dozen pages like O and P class destroyer which, at first glance, might best be converted by hand. Haven't really thought it through yet, though... Cheers. Haus^Talk 14:02, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

(← outdent ) OK, 26 remain, and they'll need some degree of squinting at to convert. Cheers. Haus^Talk 19:45, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Seems I missed all the fun. Thanks once again! --Brad (talk) 23:49, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Not all, if you feel like digging in on the ones that are left, that'd be helpful. I'm currently hiding behind a coffee-table, avoiding them. :) Haus^Talk 23:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I see what's left over and will start doing the rest by hand. I've no idea what people were thinking when they placed two ship templates on the same article. Hopefully it won't be as bad as it seems right this minute. --Brad (talk) 01:47, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that in most cases, you can do most of the work with the substitution. If you remove {{Infobox Ship Class}} from inside the {{Infobox Ship Begin}}, then convert, and then put humpty dumpty back together. I was just a little burnt out to start fooling with it. G'luck. Haus^Talk 01:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Done 3 articles so far and it's not too bad if you paste the new box above the old and then just drag and drop the information. Since I can't figure out what the editor intended by using two boxes I'm just parroting the dual boxes. Anymore than that and it will be weeks till this is done. --Brad (talk) 02:59, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Organized Labour

Hello, I was wondering why in your edit summary you stated you're withdrawing yet on the nomination page you said it's not promoted? It's norm not to have the nominator to close their own nomination (either promote or not promoted, except withdraw) so I would like to hear clarification from you. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 17:43, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

It seemed like the consensus was to fail, so I figured I'd spare you folks the housekeeping and fail it myself. I guess I should have said "failed" instead of "withdrawn." Before closing it, I read that "Any editor in good standing is welcome to analyse consensus in a nomination, and close it accordingly," and assumed that applied to me as well. Sorry for any confusion. Cheers. Haus^Talk 17:57, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

HMS Cardiff "A" review

Hi, as a former contributor to HMS Cardiff's peer review, I thought you maybe interested to see I've nominated the article for an "A" class review here. Don't feel pressured to vote, a mere comment on the articles progress (or lack of) since you last night would be muchly appreciated. Ryan4314 (talk) 15:14, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Something for you

		The WikiChevrons
		In recognition of your diligent work to convert deprecated infoboxes, on many military ship articles, I hereby award you the Military History WikiProject Chevrons. -MBK004 20:59, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks MBK! Not quite as pretty as my old ones, though :) Haus^Talk 21:05, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Ping!

In case you don't check it regularly, just wanted to let you know that I sent you an email earlier today. Maralia (talk) 23:32, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Roger, thanks -- it ended up in my junk e-mail. I'll hail you on another channel. Haus^Talk 23:34, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Automated tank cleaning machine

On 17 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Automated tank cleaning machine, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 13:43, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Sierra

Cool, thanks Haus :) Gatoclass (talk) 11:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I put the bad name tag on it as you suggested. Some admin should delete it now. Gatoclass (talk) 11:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

The Burke Group

Hello Haus, would you like to comment on the proposed deletion page? Here it is: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Burke Group. I'm feeling a bit embattled! Though what I think is going on is Guy is just testing the page in good faith to make sure there is a firm consensus that it should stay. Wikidea 15:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I understand. Haus^Talk 16:40, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

What goes around, comes around

Haus, I think you may have taken a fancy, as I did, to this image of the helmsman on duty in USNS Southern Cross wheelhouse. Meanwhile, in a bit of a twist of fate, one of the SC's wheelstands shown in the pic has shown up on eBay: [1]. The SC was long ago scraped. But an eBay trader in South Texas has picked up a some of her now-surplus equipment from the bridge. I do know that the wheelstand and, naturally, the mother ship Southern Cross, has been around the world many times, to Antarctica about 6-8 times, Greenland, and, more. SC started out as a Mormac ship, essentially a tramp steamer, with accommodations for a few passengers, although as a MSC ship, she carried hundreds of passengers out of Antarctica in her center hold tween deck as a Military Sealift Command ship under command of the late Capt. Bjorn Werring. Werring was the great newphew to the famed Norwegian explorer Roald Amundsen, first to the South Pole in 1911.

The Southern Cross in the early 1980s made one of the few, if not the only, non-stop voyage (at the time) from the United States to McMurdo Station, according to a U.S. Navy dispatch.

So much for history. Now you can pick up the Southern Cross wheelstand for your collection, Haus, for $400 shipping with current biding at $325!

Meanwhile, Bravo Zulu for the full-speed ahead on the incredible array of recent edits. What are you runnin' in your boilers? Nuclear power????!!!!Fishdecoy (talk)

I dunno what to say about the helm other than that's nuts. I forwarded the info to a friend of mine that's a retired captain and hardcore collector. We might be able to keep it in the family. If you have some good sources on the Southern Cross, you ought to start an article here.

As far as my edit count goes, I'm just trying to fix some of my pet peeves on ship pages. For better or worse, there are about 14,000 ship pages. So, I'm a victim of the math on that front. For the record, your question about the "most memorable character" is still flitting about on my "to-do list," but I seem to be experiencing some kind of block in answering it.

Cheers. Haus^Talk 15:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

exxon valdez

you just edited that article i want to know somethin would that article be considerd a stub because i mean their are whole books on the subject and i don't see how you might be able to summerise that in one pargraph... but i didn't read it so ahha ya.. any just thought i might point that out.ANOMALY-117 (talk) 17:57, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

The guidelines for quality assessments are here. I'd say it's start class. Haus^Talk 19:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Yay, you got a DYK.

On 28 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Fednav Group, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 12:41, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

HMS Cardiff Featured Article Candidate

Hello, this is a generic message, as a contributor to a previous review of HMS Cardiff, you may be interested to know that I plan to submit her for an FA review. Would you mind taking a quick look at the article and letting me know if you think it's ok, would be muchly appricated, cheers. Ryan4314 (talk) 13:06, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Could you do me a favour plz mate, could you end/archive Cardiff's peer review so I can nominate her for FAC! cheers Ryan4314 (talk) 18:26, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I think it's all set — bots should handle the rest. G'luck! Haus^Talk 19:22, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Cheers, filling out nom now. Ryan4314 (talk) 20:58, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Stephenson Clarke

Is this the same Stephenson Clarke that had contracts to supply coal to many Pre-Grouping railway companies? Scope for expansion if it is. Mjroots (talk) 14:40, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I honestly don't know much about the company beyond what's in the article. It's part of a series I have to write to support the bulk carrier article, and these articles are kind of cookie-cutter affairs. On the other hand, it's a large company, an old company, and almost certainly made a lot of money carrying coal. So, my wild guess would be "probably." Cheers. Haus^Talk 14:52, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Pumpman

On 3 May, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Pumpman, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 12:10, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Regarding the page Template:Infobox vessel type/doc, which you tagged for speedy deletion on the basis of the author of the only substantial content has requested deletion in good faith, either explicitly or by blanking the page, I wanted you to know that I have removed the speedy deletion tag. This page does not qualify for speedy deletion under that criterion because you are not the author of this page and do not have the right to make this request. If you still want the page to be deleted, please re-tag it under a CSD criterion that applies, consider redirecting the article, or use the templates for deletion processes. Thanks! Stifle (talk) 08:34, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I see now. You tagged the documentation page instead of the template itself. I've deleted both. Stifle (talk) 08:36, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Sealift Incorporated

On 10 May, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sealift Incorporated, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 08:34, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 13 May, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article MV Ascension, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Another one. --Gatoclass (talk) 09:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Ack!

Well, anyway, be safe and thanks for all the infobox conversions. --Brad (talk) 14:27, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Brad! So you know, my schedule was abruptly changed this morning. I put Bulk carrier up for review thinking I had about 3 more weeks left on my vacation. Haus^Talk 14:58, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

5/14 DYK

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--Bedford 04:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC)