User talk:George Ho/Archives/2017/December

File:Rodney Bewes 1973 screenshot.jpg

Hi, George Ho! It seems I have run into a looky likey problem with this file as you did with Reg Grundy. "Stephen" has taken it upon himself to delete this photo from an obituary article. So I sent him a message: This file is unlicensed for use on Wikipedia and allowed only under a claim of fair use per Wikipedia:Non-free content, because the man is deceased. As the source programme is still under copyright, and any similar image meeting the stated purpose would by necessity be derivative of the original programme, a free replacement cannot be provided. Question: What do you mean by: "rm NFU image, no evidence of sourcing another image". What policy are you using. And where is there an example of "evidence of sourcing another image"? How is this different from Reg Grundy? George, I don't want to get bogged down with this 1 click deletist accumulator. Do you have any advice for me? --BeckenhamBear (talk) 19:44, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

@BeckenhamBear: Here are my advices:

• If you try reinserting the image, you might risk edit warring unless that admin won't re-remove it and anyone else won't remove it.
• If you try reinserting it and then taking it FFD, there must a legitimate reason to take it to discussion, but that would lead to either "deletion" or "no consensus to delete". Nevertheless, that's worth a try, I guess?
• Before taking it to ANI, you may want to read this: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive949#User:Stephen removing image with no basis in policy. However, I wouldn't encourage it yet.
• You may want to evaluate WP:NFCC's clause, "A file with a valid non-free-use rationale for some (but not all) articles it is used in will not be deleted. Instead, the file should be removed from the articles for which it lacks a non-free-use rationale, or a suitable rationale added," and discuss it at WT:NFC. I plan to discuss it at a later time, but you can discuss it as soon as you want to.
• Best not to propose adding another rule as I tried but failed.

I have encountered with this admin before. George Ho (talk) 20:04, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

@George Ho: Thanks George, I've read your advices. The stuff of nightmares. I have done a diligent search for free images already, but proving that will be difficult. There are no free images on the net. His fame dates from the 1970's, so no fan club of note. He was known to be largely non-cooperative in the main with fans requests,and why should he since he had ongoing income problems. Indeed there are very few photos on the net at all, despite how well known a face he was in the UK. This Admin is going to play the "three month" and show us your diary card. Well! Nothing has surfaced as a free image of this guy in 40 years. I'm guessing that I'll just have to lay down some markers in the Talk page as suggested by "Beyond my Ken". There seems to be no common sense here at all. Please keep me posted on any progress you make on this issue. A key part of this is that the Agencies; Alamy, Getty etc. are in the main not interested. This is very fringe stuff. What's painful for us is (I suspect strongly) that the agencies are in the habit of fishing for free images and slapping watermarks on them, thus confusing our bots. I have seen this on photos dating back to 1865. The Wiki death roll is an easy trigger for them to start a search. Regards --BeckenhamBear (talk) 21:51, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

I contacted the photographers who created those photos, asking him permissions to use them. However, I won't guarantee 100% success or 99%. Most of the time, they either do not respond or do not grant permission. In some cases, they do, like that of Alex Tizon. --George Ho (talk) 04:29, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Your very kind and considerate. Some of the photos are crackers. Strangely I've recently been through a firefight over a photo of Keith Barron; the one here by Steve Cowgill, is very good. Now I'm resigned to yet another Admin rejecting it any time now. Sadly the photos of poor Rodney are awful, though he's pictured signing a fairly nice one. He and Alexei Sayle are unrecognisable against their public image. I thought it was only me with photogenic problems. The Admin now says "A screen grab from a TV show showing an actor in a role is not fair use to illustrate the individual, it should only be used to illustrate the role." I replied "The screen grab of the title card in this instance is fair use to illustrate the individual, as he is not in costume and he is actually named (in the shot). It couldn't be better" --BeckenhamBear (talk) 13:42, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

@George Ho: Hi George, Have you ever had a "deletion Review" for such a photo of a deceased person? Time to raise the ante... --BeckenhamBear (talk) 10:18, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi George please e-mail me, you will find an address on my User page. --BeckenhamBear (talk) 20:41, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Catalan_Republic_(2017)#Merge

Hi After the AfD, the merging have been done, so could you close the request merge ? --Panam2014 (talk) 14:45, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

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