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edit summaries[edit]

Here's a sort of technical question for you and anyone who reads your talk page. I just saw what looks like an experiemental edit summary here that I thought was quite interesting in a WP:AGF sort of way. It got me wondering: Can monobooks and scripts be set up to allow you to choose from multiple edit summary options quickly, so that this sort of edit summary could be used (on a case by case basis) by people while on RC patrol? NoSeptember 19:19, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Given the way people often complain when rollback is used for something other than obvious vandalism (seeing it as an attack even if it was not intended to be one), having a bunch of friendly summaries to choose from could be useful. This could start a good trend :-). Thanks, NoSeptember 19:37, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit]

Hey george, do you like the banner I made for the wikiproject? Tell me what you think. Thetruthbelow 19:34, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rfcub[edit]

I don't know what you and VOA are doing; it seems to work either way, but your latest change seems to have a typo somewhere in it as the page now reads eonly>eonly>. Thatcher131 21:38, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

When I actually use the template (subst'd, if that makes a difference) there is an extra "<includeonly></includonly>" in plain text at the bottom of the page. Thatcher131 22:33, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I made some tests with different versions of the template. As it is at this moment, the templates work fine if subst'd but do not work if not subst'd. I won't pretend to understand why. I think some of the archived cases are not subst'd, which may have made it look like it was broken. I've been substituting all along and if that's what it takes to work right that's fine with me. If there is a way to make it work both subst'd and not that would be best I guess. Thatcher131 23:23, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to copy the templates into my sandbox and play with them a bit. If I can't make them work when transcluded, I'll go with your plan until someone can figure out something better. Thatcher131 00:10, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RFCU Clerks discussion page[edit]

I moved most of the discussion to the talk page, so the main Clerks' Noticeboard can have the requests from checkusers rather than boatloads of discussion. Its a boldness, and I hope it makes things easier for us. If the watchlists don't work out, it the talk may have to be moved to yet a different page, but for now I think it looks pretty good. Kevin_b_er 03:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User Page[edit]

I like what you did to my talk page. --AirforceguyScramble! 15:13, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks :D[edit]

Yay! Thanks for the lovely cake :)

I'm going to have to exercise later to burn off those ASCII calories. -- Where 19:35, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks[edit]

Thanks for the guidance on the sandbox constructionLindsay658 04:42, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Spam #2[edit]

You are receiving this message, because you signed up to my spamlist

I'm sure many of you who are using monobook have noticed recently an ugly sitenotice saying something about wikimania and scholarships. Well, to remove that, put the following in your monobook.css:

/* rm sitenotice */

#siteNotice {
    display: none;
}

I hope this is of any help to you!

Thanks, --GeorgeMoney T·C 19:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

George, it's cool that you're trying to help others, but please remember that Wikipedia is not your own site. Wikimedia has certain messages they want to get across, and if you don't want to see them, fine, but describing it as an 'ugly site notice' is kind of... 'biting the hand that feeds you', isn't it? In the future, please to keep it kind of neutral, I don't think the thing would have worked less without the 'ugly' in the description. Kind regards, --JoanneB 20:08, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sure[edit]

A watchlist and sig page would be nice. A userpage it fine by me, as long as there's no policy against anons having them. And I use Mozilla Firefox. Thanks, 69.145.123.171 [[User talk:69.145.123.171Hello!]] Wednesday, June 21, 2006, 19:51 (UTC)

Awesome! Thank you! And I think I'll go without the trick templates for now, as they usually drive me nuts. I can't stand those 'you have new messages' boxes. :) 69.145.123.171 [[User talk:69.145.123.171Hello!]] Wednesday, June 21, 2006, 20:27 (UTC)
Wow! That is just plain cool. Thank you very much! :) 69.145.123.171 Hello! Wednesday, June 21, 2006, 21:10 (UTC)
Erm... I'm not quite sure. I didn't realize that it already had a 'recent IP edits box'-I'd actually never scrolled that far down the page! O_O I knew the other one had a box for specifically watching IPs; I wasn't aware it already did... Oops! Sorry this took so long, I was asleep. --69.145.123.171 02:03, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much![edit]

I don't know how to say thank you, but my page looks great! Thank you! 69.145.123.171 Hello! Wednesday, June 21, 2006, 21:38 (UTC)

Indeed! My HTML knowledge is just plain sad, but yours is really good. Again, thanks! 69.145.123.171 Hello! Wednesday, June 21, 2006, 21:42 (UTC)
Yup, that's me! This IP is static, so I don't have to worry about it changing. And I saw the test Wiki, I think I'm going to mess around there... :) 69.145.123.171 Hello! Wednesday, June 21, 2006, 21:54 (UTC)
Cool. Thank ya' kindly. I have to go, though, so I won't respond to messages until later. --69.145.123.171 22:11, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Beautiful! Wow, that's cool. Usually I have to spend hours choosing what colors I like, but this banner just fits! Thanks! 69.145.123.171 Hello! Wednesday, June 21, 2006, 23:32 (UTC)
Javascript makes me dizzy. All those letters and such... Blah. I don't think I'll ever really understand it. :) 69.145.123.171 Hello! Thursday, June 22, 2006, 02:44 (UTC) Guess what? I substituted that siginature! Ha!
I think I'll do that. Although it will probably have to be later, as I've been on here for hours... Again, thank you so much for all the help! :) 69.145.123.171 Hello! Thursday, June 22, 2006, 02:57 (UTC)
Ha ha... Beautiful. 69.145.123.171 Hello! Thursday, June 22, 2006, 18:15 (UTC)
That one will probably make things easier. I hate checking back at their pages to make sure they aren't removing warnings again. 69.145.123.171 Hello! Thursday, June 22, 2006, 18:59 (UTC)
I though about that, but I kind of like the way it looks now. It's a mite confusing, but still... 69.145.123.171 Hello! Thursday, June 22, 2006, 19:26 (UTC)
Well, I was going to... Change of plans. Don't ask. :P 69.145.123.171 Hello! Sunday, June 25, 2006, 05:57 (UTC)
Sigh... Well, I really was going to... Kinda confusing. A real-life thing, and a little hard to explain... I really want to, though, and I know I will soon. 69.145.123.171 Hello! Tuesday, June 27, 2006, 03:33 (UTC)
It's sort of like-well, it's not my choice, per se. I want to sign up. But it's not my decision. Again, it's really confusing. I'm working on it. :) 69.145.123.171 Hello! Tuesday, June 27, 2006, 03:40 (UTC)

RE:GE SOCKS[edit]

As long as he don't use them in an abusive manner I won't do anything to him. GangstaEB EA 17:19, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I know GangstaEB EA 18:39, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

substing[edit]

The templates {{tl}} and {{tls}} are now able to be substituted themselves. :-) --GraemeL (talk) 19:02, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar[edit]

The Graphic Designer's Barnstar
For giving me a page and making it super-spiffy, not to mention helping me out quite a bit!

69.145.123.171 Hello! Thursday, June 22, 2006, 19:25 (UTC)

No problem, you deserved it! 69.145.123.171 Hello! Thursday, June 22, 2006, 19:28 (UTC)
Ha ha... I love patrolling RC and warnings the anons who vandalize... They don't like it very much. :) 69.145.123.171 Hello! Thursday, June 22, 2006, 19:46 (UTC)
Sounds good to me! I hate clicking the names and typing {{Subst:testwhatever}} ! 69.145.123.171 Hello! Thursday, June 22, 2006, 20:54 (UTC)
Okay. Seeing as how I can't program worth anything, I'll stay out of your way... :) 69.145.123.171 Hello! Thursday, June 22, 2006, 21:20 (UTC)
Can do. 69.145.123.171 Hello! Thursday, June 22, 2006, 21:25 (UTC)
I never understood how to get the blinky thing to work. :) Oh, and I recommended that this new user come to you for questions regarding watchlists and such; I hope you don't mind. You just have more experiance in the area than I. 69.145.123.171 Hello! Tuesday, June 27, 2006, 21:38 (UTC)
Yeah, well... Hey, look over there! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! --69.145.123.171 20:21, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Try doing it without a monobook! --69.145.123.171 21:51, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've almost got it memorized from constant copying and pasting. ;) 69.145.123.171 Hello! Saturday, July 1, 2006, 20:31 (UTC)

RE:Welcome back[edit]

I was back a week ago, but I'm on a bit of a Wikihiatus; got my first job, and plus am taking a bit of a break. Will be back on soon. Thanks for the welcome, though! Nice to see people still care about me. ;) Cheers, Master of Puppets Giant Enemy Crab! 23:58, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mm, Wikipipe. Thanks! :D Master of Puppets Giant Enemy Crab! 00:03, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty nice, except I'm trying to kill the white space between the top of the page and the header. I like the graphic! Master of Puppets Giant Enemy Crab! 00:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Spam #2[edit]

How do I put this in my monobook.css?

/* rm sitenotice */

#siteNotice {
    display: none;
}

--FellowWikipedian 01:02, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RE:talk page[edit]

I didn't notice. However, I think he was looking for the span style. Cheers, Master of Puppets Giant Enemy Crab! 03:32, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vertically aligning images[edit]

Any idea how to vertically align an image in a table? In particular, I need it for Portal:Music/Subportals (so the images don't float above the text). I tried using style="align:center;" valign="bottom", but it didn't do anything. Thanks, Λυδαcιτγ 04:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, the way it is now: the images above the text. I just want them right above the relevant text, instead of floating way up. Λυδαcιτγ 04:15, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, great, thanks! BTW, the reason I asked you was seeing your name at the top of Wikipedia:WikiProject User CSS. Is that ever going to get off the ground? Λυδαcιτγ 04:27, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just Joined the Test Wiki[edit]

Hi can you make me a sysop there? Anonymous__Anonymous 11:02, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that you have been reverting a lot of vandalism. I'm giving you a barnstar. :-) Anonymous__Anonymous 11:32, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-Vandalism Barnstar[edit]

I give you the Barnstar of Reversion for helping others in fighting vandalism. Anonymous__Anonymous 11:32, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks[edit]

Hey George, thanks for the help with the superscript

--Col.VonPastryAnybody Out There? 16:24, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey this is fun

Better CSS?[edit]

#wikimania2006 { display: none; }"

I have a feeling sitenotice is permanent, and you might not want to remove it, whereas wikimania is only that one notice. Λυδαcιτγ 20:19, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Copied your "Note"[edit]

I copied the "Note" on your userpage. I hope that you don't mind. :-) Anonymous__Anonymous 21:40, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not a clue[edit]

I decided to try my hand at-what is it? 'ASCII'?-art, and used the subject of many a vandalizm: pie. It started off as a kind of sailboat, so the 'pies' would move progressivly father across the page. That tuned into a 'V', and the rest kind of spelled itself. Then I made it 3D.

Or in other words, I have no idea whatsoever. I like the word, though. I'm going to keep it and make it my catchphrase for vandalizm boxes. :) 69.145.123.171 Hello! Saturday, June 24, 2006, 05:17 (UTC)

Looks good. I need to shorten mine by quite a bit... 69.145.123.171 Hello! Saturday, June 24, 2006, 22:10 (UTC)
Ha... I use 'em just out of habit. When I can't think of anything I write stupid things like 'ehhhhhh...' or 'meh' or just plain 'rv'. 69.145.123.171 Hello! Saturday, June 24, 2006, 22:19 (UTC)
Monobooks scare me. Other than edit count, I'd probably never use it. 69.145.123.171 Hello! Saturday, June 24, 2006, 22:58 (UTC)
Oh, so it's automated. Good, I thought it would involve programming on my part. :P 69.145.123.171 Hello! Saturday, June 24, 2006, 23:02 (UTC)
Copy/pasting I can understand...There's a plus for signing up! 69.145.123.171 Hello! Saturday, June 24, 2006, 23:17 (UTC)
Well, I know it's been said hundreds of times before, but I just might register later today... 69.145.123.171 Hello! Saturday, June 24, 2006, 23:26 (UTC)
Really? I was wondering if you could actually do that. I mean, I know how to redirect pages and such, but I didn't know you could move an IP page to a normal userpage... 69.145.123.171 Hello! Saturday, June 24, 2006, 23:28 (UTC)
Okay. I'll find out later today... Dun dun dun! 69.145.123.171 Hello! Saturday, June 24, 2006, 23:33 (UTC)
Yeah, I've got to admit it gives me a heart attack from time to time. 69.145.123.171 Hello! Saturday, June 24, 2006, 23:44 (UTC)
Just the fact that it's not yellow is enough for me. 69.145.123.171 Hello! Saturday, June 24, 2006, 23:57 (UTC)
Meaning plans changed in real life. Should have it soon... I hope. 69.145.123.171 Hello! Sunday, June 25, 2006, 06:01 (UTC)
Ha! I copy/paste my sig and {{subst:welcome}} whenever I see a newcomer. Mine's a bit less automated. --69.145.123.171 21:59, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moe[edit]

Hey george, I finally found a computer on my vacation. I was just wondering what happened to moe. He seems really different. For a while, I was wondering if someone had hacked his account. I really don't know what is going on. Thetruthbelow 19:14, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

External links[edit]

I know how to link to Wikipedia articles in an article, but not how to link to a anchor in the page. Example: Elementary particle#String theory Note the #, the anchor in the article.

Oops ^^;

I know how to link to Wikipedia articles in an article, but not how to link to a anchor in the page. Example: Elementary particle#String theory Note the #, the anchor in the article. Nobodymk2 02:07, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Someone Has Vandalised your Template!!!!![edit]

FYI, somebody changed the links on the new messages tricktemplate to one and two. p00rleno 16:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Forced Save (question on Village Pump (Technical))[edit]

King of Hearts wrote:

Ever since the 2006 FIFA World Cup began, I've been forced to go through so many edit conflicts when editing that page. I think that for extra-frustrated people who can never get their version in, there should be "force save" button to paste in their version no matter what. However, since two people might both press "force save", causing another conflict, then perhaps make the "forced save" option available to only those who have gone through at least three edit conflicts. How's this idea sound? -- King of 21:17, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You wrote:

Yeah. I really get tired of having to go through multiple edit conflicts when I just want to save. Because of this, sometimes I edit in a hurry to not get into edit conflicts, and sometimes make mistakes. --GeorgeMoney T·C 21:58, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have a response there, which may be of help to you:

I created some "In Use" templates more than two years ago — November of 2003 — to take care of just this issue, so that you could save a page with a flag to ask people to give you a short period of time – say 5 minutes to 1/2 an hour – to make a change and not cause a conflict. Some people have even improved on them to make the message work better. There are two forms, {{Inuse|5 minutes}} or {{Inuse|5 minutes}} or {{Inuse||for=|until 3:20 PM EDT 6/26}} in which case you get either of the following:
5 Minutes: {{Inuse|5 Minutes}}
Until 3:20: {{Inuse|until 3:20 PM EDT 6/26}}

Save the page first with this message, then re-edit. Make the changes, and, of course, remove this template reference when you re-save. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) 19:03, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GeorgeMoney.com[edit]

Who did you go with your website hosting? I am gonna start my own website, so I need to know. GangstaEB EA 00:39, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Any reason[edit]

Any reason you blanked User:GeorgeMoney/nms and User talk:GeorgeMoney/nms? 72.134.40.173 00:58, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

George see User:GeorgeMoney/nms. It maybe good to speedy delete it. 72.134.40.173 03:29, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Status[edit]

Hey George, can you help me with the status thing? Every time i put it in my monobook, it doesn't work. Let me know, Thetruthbelow 01:24, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nah, its alright. I used what you are currently using before, but I decided to discontinue that. Oh well! Thanks for the help, Thetruthbelow 01:28, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry!!![edit]

My bad, I completly forgot about that. I am so sorry about that, as I forgot that entire conversation of my vacation. My bad! Thetruthbelow 05:08, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It feels like the project sort of died out after moe left. What can we do to bring it back to life? Thetruthbelow 05:16, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I edited that section too, but I was away until today. I will definetly keep on watching it, and will respond as fast as I can. I added info about us at Wikipedia:User page here. We just got to keep the project alive and expanding. Thetruthbelow 05:26, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Test Wiki[edit]

Hey George, I just joined your test wiki. I would like to become an admin/b-crat if possible. Let me know!!! Thetrutbelow 22:05, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion[edit]

Please confirm that you want every page listed at User:GeorgeMoney/delpage deleted. Prodego talk 22:24, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

All done. If I may ask,
  1. Why did you want that many pages deleted, and
  2. How did you get that many in the first place ;-)
Prodego talk 22:44, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Also do you want User:GeorgeMoney/delpage deleted? ForestH2 00:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, I want that for reference. --GeorgeMoney (talk) (Help Me Improve!) 00:16, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See MediaWiki talk:Anontalkpagetext#Div id. — xaosflux Talk 04:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lemon_D[edit]

Thank you for your kind help. It solved my problem – I had not asserted the notability of my subject. xander 18:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You[edit]

Hi GeorgeMoney, Thank you for my welcome message. DrK 05:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Test Wiki[edit]

Hey george, just wanted to let you know that after those skin changes, all of the projects history before today have been erased. I don't know what happens from here, but I would like you to know that I am here to help. Shalom--Thetruthbelow 06:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about the confusion. Now that i look back at my message, i have no idea what I was talking about. It was about two in the morning when I wrote that message, so I must have been so tired I was delusional :) Shalom--Thetruthbelow 17:55, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just a little something...[edit]

...to cheer you up! Thank you for your extremely kind and beautiful words, my dear George! -- Phaedriel tell me – 17:58, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Cats[edit]

GeorgeMoney/Archive08, I can see from your userboxes that you love cats.

Would you be interested in joining the WikiProject Cats?

If you want to join, you can add yourself to the participants list, and [[User talk:{{{1}}}|contact]] me, [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]], on my [[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk page]].

Thank you very much! :)

Hey there[edit]

Can I be made sysop on Where's Test Wiki? Thanks... --Osbus 23:25, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. --Osbus 23:33, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have decided to retire[edit]

Hello GeorgMoney. I just wanted to come here and thank you for everything before I retire from wikipedia. I have decided not to stay for various reasons, mostly from the past. I have seen what this place has done to people, and I have decided to not let it happen to me. I don't know if I will come back, but regardless I wanted to thank you. You were always nice to me, and for that I am forever greatful. Thank you my friend for everything. Matt B."aka" Thetruthbelow 04:36, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry George, but I must leave, at least for a while. If I come back, you will be the first to know. Matt B."aka" Thetruthbelow 04:50, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah...the Test Wiki is fine. Matt B."aka" Thetruthbelow 05:00, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"I have seen what this place has done to people." LOL

A word of thanks[edit]

Yep, that was exactly what I wanted doing, thank you for helping out! --robertvan1 18:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Userpage redesign[edit]

Oh my! I love it :D :D :D. Thank you! You are truly great at web design.

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Thanks for helping me out on my userpage!!! -- Where 05:04, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: RC Perl[edit]

Thanks for the suggestion :). I will definately do this if I find that the script does not work well enough as is; however, all admins are required to leave summaries when editing AIV that say whether the list is empty. When I tested it, it seemed to work fine; but if things go awry, I will keep in mind your suggestion. Thanks again! -- Where 15:03, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

July is stocked with tips. Could you look them over please?[edit]

I've filled July with a selection of tips from the tip authoring page, revisions of previously posted tips, some brand new ones, and some combinations. If you would be so kind as to look them over before they hit the mainstream Wikipedia population, I'd really appreciate it. --Go for it! 17:37, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Translations[edit]

I'm sorry, I think I'm doing something wrong.

The first time I enter and login was because, I don't remember exactly how, I was going to translate some articles from english to spanish.

Now I'm tryng to do it again, but somebody told me that he took the text out because is not in english but I was translating it.

Thanks for your help.

if you want to answer by email mine is sosinfo@telefonica.net

By

returned from my retirement because of you all[edit]

Hey man. I just wanted to tell you that I have returned due to your’s and others kind messages and emails. I missed this encyclopedia, and I have missed you as well. I really appreciate all that you have done for me. Matt B."aka" Thetruthbelow 06:04, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if you really want someone to thank, it should be Phaedriel. She talked with me for a long time, and by the time our conversation was over I decided to return. But yeah, I'M BACK!!! YAY Matt B."aka" Thetruthbelow 06:10, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I made a tough decision today...[edit]

As you can see by this. I really regret not registering earlier, but now I realize what I have to do. I am going to stand up for the anons. Could you please move this page into User: instead of User Talk: and graph it into my userpage? strike that, it works fine Thank you... 69.145.123.171 Hello! Sunday, July 2, 2006, 20:42 (UTC)

Thanks. I hope other can see what I'm trying to get across here... Again, thanks. :) 69.145.123.171 Hello! Sunday, July 2, 2006, 20:49 (UTC)
It doesn't really matter; I thought it wouldn't work. It's probably better if it's the way you left it, though. --69.145.123.171 20:50, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it makes sense. Who in their right mind would join an encyclopedia website if they weren't allowed to mess around beforehand? --69.145.123.171 21:37, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RFA thanks[edit]

Today's Star shines upon...[edit]

File:Blue-star.gif
...dear George,
a bright person, a kind soul and a helpful editor, tirelessly working for the best not only of our project, but of those who make it.
So many times I've seen your name being praised with gratitude, that I wish to echo those voices who have said from their hearts,
"Thank you, dear George!"
A great hug,
Phaedriel

Hi George,

(happy now?)

Thanks for supplying some documentation for the above. I've been experiementing with it here, but it doesn't seem straightforward from the examples I've tried. Is something less convoluted possible, say without the I=, am=, an= and short= parameters (e.g. either use default message or write your own) and perhaps conflating image= and noimage= ...?  Your counsel most appreciated. Best wishes, David Kernow 02:46, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]