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Happy New Year, Fylindfotberserk!

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Fylindfotberserk,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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Happy New Year, Fylindfotberserk!

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Fylindfotberserk,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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Happy New Year, Fylindfotberserk!

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Fylindfotberserk,
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Happy New Year

Hello Fylindfotberserk, I wish you and your family a happy and above all a healthy new year 2020. Best wishes --Serols (talk) 15:33, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Happy New Year

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Hello Fylindfotberserk: Thanks for all of your contributions to Wikipedia, and have a great New Year! Cheers, DoebLoggs (talk) 09:18, 2 January 2020 (UTC)



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Hello

Hi happy to meet an indian admin here. I need a help

I'm from kerala.

9061460290

I'm also an engineer, just passed out. Joining work at bengaluru this 21st.

This is my whatsapp

Please ping me.

I need help Kalangot (talk) 15:49, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

@Kalangot: I've sent you the basic guidelines on how to edit stuff here at Wikipedia. Just remember not to include anything without reliable source and also do not write anything that's not mentioned in the source(s). You can discuss with me if you have a problem. And congrats . - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:56, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Please come on Rajesh khanna talk page - dec 2019 PrinceAnand2003 (talk) 17:25, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Regarding parameter

Hi @Fylindfotberserk: would please remove "nationality" and "citizenship" in the Infobox for Narendra Modi and Rahul Gandhi article as both of them were born and brought-up in India moreover first person is the PM of a country, it sounds bit chauvinistic or jingoistic by putting those parameters. You can check Boris Johnson, Donald Trump or Angela Merkel articles none of those articles have these parameters in the infobox. Another point in Narendra Modi article too many awards mentioned in Infobox, some of them are as quite irrelevant or as unimportant like Nobel Prize / Bharat Ratna for that matter. You can scrape some of those.--Isak.lund (talk) 04:48, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Greetings for New Year, My Friend !

Sessions Greetings!

Fylindfotberserk,
I wish a delightfully prosperous New Year to you, my warm and awesome wiki friend.
भास्कर् Bhagawati Speak 14:09, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Help

Hi, I recently come across the wikipage of Ranaghat, a neighborhood of Greater Kolkata in West Bengal. In the Notable people section, I found many unknown names, especially in the culture subsection. Edits have been primarily made from different IP addresses. It indeed seems like a self promotion. Could you please have a look into this? DeoxysX (talk) 17:06, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

@DeoxysX:  Done Thanks for asking. Since the list is for "Notable people" and in Wikipedia we establish WP:NOTABILITY through the creation of an article, we typically follow "No article, no inclusion" policy in these kind of lists. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:13, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2020

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2019).

Guideline and policy news

Arbitration

  • The fourth case on Palestine-Israel articles was closed. The case consolidated all previous remedies under one heading, which should make them easier to understand, apply, and enforce. In particular, the distinction between "primary articles" and "related content" has been clarified, with the former being the entire set of articles whose topic relates to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly interpreted rather than reasonably construed.
  • Following the 2019 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee: Beeblebrox, Bradv, Casliber, David Fuchs, DGG, KrakatoaKatie, Maxim, Newyorkbrad, SoWhy, Worm That Turned, Xeno.

Miscellaneous

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One more question

One more question. Are external links redirecting to YouTube are allowed alongside verified social media account? Check Bhuvan Bam. DeoxysX (talk) 05:03, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

@DeoxysX: Thanks for asking. A verified YouTube channel can be added if the person is notable for his/hers YouTube presence. And Bam is famous for that, however you should link his YT channel in the Infobox rather than the External links similar to articles like Dude Perfect, Gaurav Chaudhary, using the 'channels' parameter. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:16, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Happy new year

Thanks for the wishes bhai. Happy new year too. Hope you have recovered from the hangover, etc, but the weekend is here again to poison the liver. Keep rocking. 58.182.172.95 (talk) 18:12, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Peopling of India, POV IP

Hello, could you please watch or take a look at Peopling of India. An fringe IP (several ones) ate pushing unsourced or biased views and delete parts which does not fot their view. I have reverted them now. Can you please watch over the page? Thank you.MomotaniSS (talk) 17:50, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

@MomotaniSS:None of those are POV edits, it was provided and sourced. I could not sign in as I didn't know the password to my account and had to get it restored.Ilber8000 (talk) 18:01, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

:::The deletion of Mondal et al. was completely wrong and POV, also adding various other stuff unsourced or WP:OR.MomotaniSS (talk) 18:04, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

It would be better if you too discuss in the relevant talkpage. Besides if newer studies mention something significant, it shoudl be appended, not deleted. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:06, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, after going through the study, it turned out he had misinterpreted it, have mentioned it in talk page. Ilber8000 (talk) 19:11, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Struck through sock edits, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/WorldCreaterFighter Doug Weller talk 14:23, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

"Kolkata Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose International Airport (Kolkata Airport)" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Kolkata Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose International Airport (Kolkata Airport). Since you had some involvement with the Kolkata Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose International Airport (Kolkata Airport) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Sony R (talk) 12:03, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Asuran

Hi I have edited , the Asuran page you reverted. Because the worldwide 50 crores. And then next line states 100 crores world wide gross. Which is two times ? Care to explain? Pinksleft (talk) 18:33, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Pinksleft: The 50 crores is the "gross" figures from theatrical sales, the 100 crores is the total collection which include gross figures + other revenues. It has been detailed in the accompanying sources. COming to your new addition, Kilvenmani massacre, the source you provided is making a guesswork, while you have added it as if the film was based on it. Unless you find a source which says, the film is based on that massacre, it is WP:OR and is liable to be removed. We do not write speculations - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:40, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Oh okay. It sure does has influences from the incident which the sources say. I never said it is 'based' on it. If it cannot be added there is there a possibility to add somewhere else? Like controversy or speculations or somewhere else like that. Waiting for your reply. Pinksleft (talk) 18:45, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Actually the reason for adding the kilvenmani massacre incident , for people to realize the burning of huts is not just a work of fiction but a rather crude reality. I thought it was just fiction and drama until recently I heard of kilvenmanis wiki page. So yeah.. that's it. I hope it stays somewhere in this page.. Pinksleft (talk) 18:53, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Only keeping the Huff post source, since that explicitly mentions that the plot is taken from that massacre. The other source makes speculations. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:09, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia Library Card.

Hello Brother! I have been approved to access JSTOR content through Wikipedia Library Card Platform, but I don't know how to proceed further! How do I access the content through this "card" in JSTOR? I have a JSTOR account but I when I login to it. I don't see any option to use the card! Sattvic7 (talk) 13:26, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

@Sattvic7: I have that facility too but never went further besides just logging in JSTOR. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:17, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Ok Sattvic7 (talk) 16:33, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

@Sattvic7: Have you resolved your problem in the meantime? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:35, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Not yet. But I have emailed the JSTOR team, so waiting for their reply. Will definitely inform you if problem gets solved!Sattvic7 (talk) 16:39, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

@Sattvic7: Kindly do so. I might need your help some day. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:47, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Sure! - Sattvic7 (talk) 17:42, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: UPDATE: Well, I received the mail, they sent me username via email. I can now access JSTOR with unrestricted views (as opposed to previous restriction of 6 views/per month). When I login to JSTOR account, I see "Access provided by JSTOR, in collaboration with the Wikimedia Foundation" on the top. . -Sattvic7 (talk) 09:19, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

@Sattvic7: Nice. I'll ask for you help if I get into situations like you faced above. Oh.. and also thanks for your edits in Hindustani language article. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:25, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Sure! But considering that you are way more experienced a user than me, I'm going to need your help more often than you'll need mine.. Have a nice day! - Sattvic7 (talk) 12:53, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Dear Fylindfotberserk, Hope you are doing well. Happy New Year. May your year be filled with joy, success and good health. Sorry I have been away for some time and hence did not respond to your greetings earlier. Thanks very much for the Holiday and New Year greetings. Regards, Acharya63 (talk) 06:32, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

@Acharya63: Thanks and welcome. You were busy IRL it seems. Haven't seen you much lately. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:19, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

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Delhi Technological University

I noticed a revert you made. Can you tell the exact policy/guideline that states that only those people can be included in the alumni list who have a WP article? Thanks. Bharatiya29 16:36, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

@Bharatiya29: Hi, thanks for communicating. Firstly, the instruction in the very list section which I'm following. Secondly, notability as per WP:BIO, WP:GNG. A single source with a passing reference that the person had attended DTU wouldn't be enough IMO. I believe it is always better to have an article written on that subject, covering various topics and establishing notability in the process WP:WTAF. What are the chances that some other people referred in media once or twice wouldn't get included in the list, bloating it with non-notables? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:22, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
I think the guideline is to allow only those entries which are notable enough to have their own article, but that doesn't mean that they need to have an article. For example, the head of Google India is surely notable enough to be listed. I don't see why we shouldn't allow some red links. Bharatiya29 11:25, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
Citing WP:REDLINK: "Do not remove red links unless you are certain that Wikipedia should not have an article on that subject." Bharatiya29 11:26, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
@Bharatiya29: A list should contain people who are notable. According to WP:ALMAMATER, Do not add a name to the "notable alumni" section of that person's alma mater unless that person is actually notable.. If those people are notable, why not create articles first. That way notability of those people will be established too if they pass WP:GNG. There is no sure way to guarantee that a redlinker on a BLP will ever get created, it is not like a new discovery or new media sensation. And I'm very sure that the list will get bloated by entries of more obscure people in the future if we let entries without articles. As a side note, I myself got covered in a few media articles too, and I'm a Dr. B. R. Ambedkar National Institute of Technology Jalandhar pass out. By that logic, I could very much add my name in the list of alumini in that article. Kindly create an article if you want. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:39, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
Bharatiya29, If you want someone's name to be included, then starting his article first should be the way to get it done. Non notable people whose article are likely to be deleted cannot be mentioned here. WP:INDIA had a similar discussion about naming notable people in geo articles. The consensus is to allow only the names that have their article and a reliable source confirming the same. your suggestion of allowing notable redlinks is simplistic and a nightmare while maintaining these pages. literally every alumni thinks he is notable, just as every resident of a geo thinks his name must be added in the article on his city/village. DBigXrayᗙ 11:41, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
Fylindfotberserk, WP:WTAF is an essay and not a policy. Hence it cannot be used to remove notable entries from the alumni list. And since you cited another essay WP:ALMAMATER, let me quote a relevant point from it. "Occasionally, someone notable won't have their own Wikipedia article yet, but will be listed in their university article, but that's the exception to the rule." We don't need a guarantee that an article will be created, but we need the guarantee that if and when the article will be created, it will pass WP:GNG. If the source cited to prove the person's affiliation to the particular institution is also sufficient to prove his/her notability, the entry should not be removed. WP:REDDEAL clearly states "In general, a red link should be allowed to remain in an article if it links to a term that could plausibly sustain an article, but for which there is no existing candidate article, or article section, under any name." In fact, there is also a point specific to alumni lists which states that redlinks should be removed on the basis of the inclusion criteria. However, you cannot enforce a criterion which mandates a WP article as per WP:LISTCRITERIA ("Red-linked entries are acceptable if the entry is verifiably a member of the listed group and it is reasonable to expect an article could be forthcoming in the future.") Bharatiya29 12:29, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
DBigXray, I see the reasoning behind your point. I think that WP:ALUMNI presents a practical and logical solution. "Individual alumni need a citation to a) verify that they did indeed attend the school, and b) verify the statement of their notability in their short one- or two-line description. When alumni have their own articles in mainspace, it is not necessary for their notability to be referenced, as long as it is done in the biographical articles." The notability of the alumni not having a WP article yet should be allowed to be proved in the list itself in a brief manner. Bharatiya29 12:35, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
All these boils down to WP:Notability. DO these people meet the criteria laid down by WP:GNG? It seems these people are notable for one or two events only. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:47, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
Sanjay Gupta is notable enough to pass WP:GNG on the basis of quite major coverage he received by both Indian and foreign media recently. The other two look doubtful because they mostly have passing mentions in the media. Bharatiya29 16:48, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
@Bharatiya29: When you think he's that notable, you should do the obvious. That is create the article. That'll seal the deal. Only your opinion on him being notable is not enough. Let it pass scrutiny, create the article. I'll also help it expand - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:01, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
...on the basis of quite major coverage he received by both Indian and foreign media recently <- This is exactly what WP:SINGLEEVENT is. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:04, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
Already on it, my friend. I'll like to clarify that I am not objecting to you removing the entries, but rather to the reason you cited in your edit summary. It was leading to a wrong precedent and that is why I wanted to discuss it with you on your talk page. Bharatiya29 17:05, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
WP:SINGLEEVENT doesn't apply here as the coverage he has received is not specific to just a single event. His appointment as head of Google India resulted in a lot of media coverage, but that coverage was not specific to that one event only. Anyway, you are most welcome yo express your views once I create that article. Bharatiya29 17:08, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
@Bharatiya29: Nice. The edit summary "No article no inclusion" is used by many users in Wikipedia to deter new users and IPs from adding their preferred institution, settlement, people, etc in a list of notables. Besides as explained above by me and DBigXray, starting an article is a better choice to establish notability of a person rather than engaging in discussions that is likely to stale. Not to mention most guidelines on inclusion of entries in list are partially self-contradictory and not particularly clear. I quoted WP:SINGLEEVENT since you mentioned "recently" in your comment above. Anyway regards. Nice chatting. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:24, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Kamrupi culture dispute

Hi Fylindfotberserk. Happened to see a post from you at User talk:Msasag in 2018, so I'm wondering if you have an opinion on the current edit warring case at WP:AN3#User:Msasag reported by User:Bhaskarbhagawati (Result: ). There is a claim that this dispute has been running since 2012. Admins might be able to do something about this, but what? The dispute was previously at DRN where User:Bhaskarghagawati appeared to the lone holdout against some of the proposals. One or more topic bans under WP:ARBIPA might be considered. Thanks for any opinion, EdJohnston (talk) 17:19, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: Thanks for asking sir, but sorry. I don't have an opinion on this. Anything Assam related, especially historical or dealing with scripts/languages, is a battleground. Even after multiple discussions and agreements, users keep edit warring. My own talkpage once turned into one. WP:ARBIPA would be a good thing to do. Also unnecessary content-forking is an issue with Assam related articles. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:35, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

You have been protecting pages from vandalizing from some people, so thank you for that. But how about YOU STOP vandalizing ASSAM related pages. Kamrupi is Assam's history, not Chinese history. What was your intention when you wrote no indic script ? Kamrupi script was the old Assamese script. Tizen03 (talk) 18:47, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

@Tizen03: Go through WP:INDICSCRIPT policy. It applies to everything India-related except languages, religious things and scripts. Perhaps you should study about vandalism and WP:OWN, since you are displaying ownership behavior for Assam related articles. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:50, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

I went through the link when you 1st replied, but there are "Indian" pages with indic script. Perhaps I should edit them out ? Tizen03 (talk) 18:55, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

I went through the link when you 1st replied. But I've seen "Indian" pages with "Indic" script, perhaps I should edit them out ? Tizen03 (talk) 18:56, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

@Tizen03: You can do that. But be wary that the subject of the article should be particularly restricted to India. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:00, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

As long as its not language & script related (Indian) ? Tizen03 (talk) 19:00, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

@Tizen03: You should do that to other articles too like Kuru Kingdom. Why only Sena dynasty? Any personal issue with that? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:07, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

I didn't know that, I went through Sena dynasty quite recently. I'll keep editing any article I see with indic script (except for the exceptions) Tizen03 (talk) 19:08, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

A special barnstar for you!

 The Airborne Warfare Barnstar 
For your peace talks during the 2020 Sylheti Nagri quarrel! UserNumber (talk) 22:37, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you very much UserNumber💚 from the bottom of my heart. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 06:55, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

What about Satavahana dynasty ? Its in Bhahmi Script. Should I edit it out or leave it as it is. Tizen03 (talk) 19:19, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

@Tizen03: Brahmi is also Indic script. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:21, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Re:Kho people

Dear User:Fylindfotberserk, thanks for your message on my talk page. I unfortunately, do not have access to the page in full or I would try to provide the original quote in the reference. I did find a scholarly reference today that discusses their migration and have added that to the article. I usually try to add the original quote from the source to the article in case I lose access to the text. If you can find any more information, feel free to add it. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 21:44, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

@Anupam: Thanks for taking care of the history section. The Kho article is prone to POV pushes by IPs and new users. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 06:34, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Canadian Earthquake

Yeah what you've done is good. Thanks. 81.137.62.113 (talk) 08:31, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Can you please undo the edits I made in Marathi page, I realised I made a mistake after I edited those. I was not able to undo the changes. Tizen03 (talk) 17:23, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Tizen03  Done - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:27, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Help

Hi, someone has totally removed the records and achievement section from the wikipage of Virat Kohli citing WP:TRIVIA. The section was well written with proper citations to back up all the statistics throughout his career. I feel, it should be restored. I'm looking forward to hearing from you. DeoxysX (talk) 17:15, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

@DeoxysX: Although this kind of list seems trivial, point is whether it was present when the article got to the GA status. You can compare with other GA articles here. If they have this list, then probably you should discuss it will Dee. I believe you can discuss with them even if those lists are not in those articles. Dee seem to be active in cricket rekated articles. You can ask Lugnuts too. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:30, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: I am grateful to you as you have always come forward to clarify my doubts. As you're a veteran editor. Can you do it on behalf of me? I believe, we should not be missing any credential of our national cricket team captain. DeoxysX (talk) 18:52, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
@DeoxysX:Well, Dee has moved the list to talk citing important things can be restored back to the article. I'd suggest you discuss with them some of the notable things you'd want to include in the article. Obviously some of the entries are trivial. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:01, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
@DeoxysX: And thank you if you find my tips helpful. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:02, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: You are most welcome. 🙂
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