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- PS: Regarding your contribution to LaRouche movement, there needs to be a published source for it. I've tagged it and it may be eventually deleted if a source can't be found. Will Beback talk 04:44, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
- It depends on what kind of documents they are. If they are federal documents then they are not covered by copyright and can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. If they are news clippings then you can cite the articles without uploading them. If they are movement publications it is probably possible to claim fair use if you're discussing the documents themselves. The bottom line is that it's a bit complicated. If you tell me more about the documents I can give you a more specific answer. Will Beback talk 01:06, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- Could you give me a link to the document? Will Beback talk 01:15, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- By "link" I mean the URL (http address). I looked at http://laroucheplanet.info/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Library.MiscLaRouche "Skeletons in the Closet", but didn't see a document with a hundred names. Will Beback talk 01:35, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks, got it. Unfortunately, that document would probably not be usable as a reference. It is a primary source of uncertain provenance, and it really doesn't say much anyway. (Even primary sources from known, reliable sources can only be used within narrow limits). What we'd need would be a published secondary source, like a newspaper article or a book, that tells about this event. It seems like a major event within the movement, but it might have gone unnoticed outside the movement. If there are no such sources then the last possibility is to try to create one, such as by getting a journalist or writer interested in that history. However that'd be an uphill effort unless perhaps there's been recent coverage of LaRouche activities in Detroit. I'm sorry I can't give you better news. Will Beback talk 02:24, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- What I can suggest is that you write your account of the incident and self-publish on a blog or perhaps send to it someone to post on the FactNEt forum or on one of those LaRouche-oriented websites. While there may be a lack of reference material preventing its posting on Wikipedia, that doesn't mean it isn't an interesting event which should be recorded for posterity. Will Beback talk 02:49, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks, got it. Unfortunately, that document would probably not be usable as a reference. It is a primary source of uncertain provenance, and it really doesn't say much anyway. (Even primary sources from known, reliable sources can only be used within narrow limits). What we'd need would be a published secondary source, like a newspaper article or a book, that tells about this event. It seems like a major event within the movement, but it might have gone unnoticed outside the movement. If there are no such sources then the last possibility is to try to create one, such as by getting a journalist or writer interested in that history. However that'd be an uphill effort unless perhaps there's been recent coverage of LaRouche activities in Detroit. I'm sorry I can't give you better news. Will Beback talk 02:24, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
- It depends on what kind of documents they are. If they are federal documents then they are not covered by copyright and can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. If they are news clippings then you can cite the articles without uploading them. If they are movement publications it is probably possible to claim fair use if you're discussing the documents themselves. The bottom line is that it's a bit complicated. If you tell me more about the documents I can give you a more specific answer. Will Beback talk 01:06, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
Detroit 1981[edit]
I don't know if you'll see this, but I just came across something you might find interesting or relevant. Raising Hell, by David Weir and Dan Noyes, 1983,[1] has a lot of material on union-related activities of the LaRouche movement in Detroit in and around 1981. We could use that in place of what you wrote, though it doesn't mention the mass resignation. Will Beback talk 22:07, 23 August 2011 (UTC)