User talk:Falcadore/Archive 2

Sincere Apologies

Hey, Falcadore. I've been thinking about this for a while, and I just wanted to clear something up. You may recall my reply to your comments on "China" in the V8 Supercars article. When you corrected my notions, I may have sounded rude when I said "you obviously know more about this than I do." I really didn't mean to sound so offended. What I was trying to say was that I didn't know as much about the matter in question as you did. After all, at the time, I had only been following the sport for a year or so. If I gave you the wrong message, I apologise for my actions. Hope there's no bad blood between us... ? Stealthman (talk) 07:51, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

No problem at all, I'd forgotten the incident. --Falcadore (talk) 00:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

2008 Australian Grand Prix

I eliminated half the article for good reason: it wasn't written in NPOV. Go back over the page history; you'll see that whoever wrote the article included parts about "but Kubica still managed to set the second-fastest time!". If you give me a few more minutes, I'm trying to re-write it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.180.1.214 (talk) 00:21, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

If you'd done it in one hit rather than piece by piece then it would attract less ire, and use up less space creating additional iterations of the page. --Falcadore (talk) 00:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I thought doing it piece-by-piece might be a good idea because then people could see that it was being done rather than editiing it while I was still in he process of re-writing. Go easy; I'm new to all of this.

Doing it that way means people see you deleting large sections, and going by your talk page it hasn't been particularly popular. If you are new then perhaps you might consider learning from that feedback. --Falcadore (talk) 20:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Well now I know that ...Nearly famous writer (talk) 00:14, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Lists

I took the pragamatic view that an article largely consisting of a list has no chance of ever succeeding as a Featured Article but some chance of succeeding as a Featured List. See Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/List of counties in Delaware/archive1. I can't speak for other accessors. --Grahame (talk) 10:06, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Re:GP2 Valencia

Thanks for the information. I shall post my comments on the relevant talk page.-- Diniz(talk) 10:22, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

V8 Supercar Championships

Hi Falcadore. I noticed you added to the Championships section of the V8 Supercars article. I don't suppose you have any references for that stuff do you? Particularly "...who formerly raced in the Level One series but have been left behind by increasing pace of the professional team". This seems like a nice way of saying "has-beens" to me. If we're going to state that people are no longer competitive I think we should at least be able to point to a reference. --Fruv (talk) 23:44, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

You're right. My mistake. --Fruv (talk) 05:49, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

2000 CART World Series season

Hi. You might want to check the recent edit by 124.13.124.190 to 2000 CART World Series season. I suspect it might be vandalism as the same editor vandalised another article near the same time. I don't know enough about the topic to know for sure. Nurg (talk) 04:12, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Brisbane meetup invitation

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2008 MotoGP season

Hi there. Sorry about my edit, I could have sworn I saw the word 'German' in the title, and that's why I changed it, as the current round is Spain. Complete brainstorm on my part! Ged UK (talk) 19:48, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Derek Bell

Hi Falcadore. I wasn't exactly clear on what you were asking when you wrote "Any reason?":

• If you were asking why I recently changed some links from [[Derek Bell]] to [[Derek Bell (auto racer)|Derek Bell]]: I was updating the links to link to the article about the driver rather than to the disambiguation page.
• If you were asking why I renamed Derek Bell (auto racing) to Derek Bell (auto racer) rather than Derek Bell (racing driver) back on the 21st of March: The consensus in the discussion at WT:MOTOR was that Mayumashu's changes should be reverted, so that's what I did, except for cases where I considered that the new name was an improvement on the old one, which wasn't the case here. (I seem to recall that I did consider changing it to Derek Bell (racing driver), but decided to simply revert Mayumashu's change, since that had been the consensus).
• If you were asking why "Fred Nerk (racing driver)" is the more common within Wikipedia than "Fred Nerk (auto racer)": I'm afraid I don't know - possibly just the linguistic preference of whoever created the articles.

Hope this answers your question. DH85868993 (talk) 04:38, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

It does. Thanks. --Falcadore (talk) 05:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Sebastien Bourdais

Bourdais did not finish that event due to engine failure so gets 0 points. Get over it.(Planecrash111 (talk) 23:23, 24 June 2008 (UTC))

I would appreciate if you would post in my talk page in complete sentences. Thank you.(Planecrash111 (talk) 01:56, 25 June 2008 (UTC))

Apology

I have realized Formula One has finally changed its points system so i apologize to you for that.(Planecrash111 (talk) 02:08, 25 June 2008 (UTC))

Warwick Farm Raceway

Hi Falcadore,

I made some "adjustments" in order to reduce discrepancies between Warwick Farm Racecourse and Warwick Farm Raceway and added some cross linkings. See if you are happy with the change. Please feel free and you are welcome to change and edit my work.--Cheetaih (talk) 05:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Orange, New South Wales

Best to add a source since it can be disputable and would be best to be in a History section then in the top. 220.240.142.16 (talk) 12:49, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Winton Page (good work)

Hey dude, good work on the winton page. I changed the page a little on the 16.08.08 and you took away ever thing I did but made it so much better!

I think having the name of the main sponsor at the time if applicable might worth having as HRT is known now as Toll Holden Racing Team and in the past as Mobil Holden Racing Team

You did a great job and I didn't want to wreck all your hard work so ultimately its up to you.

On another note the part about the fire "...but the police are still looking" sounds stupid to me and think it may be better to replace it with something to say "the case is still open" I'm not very articulate so I'm not going to touch that either but think it might be worth having a look at

once again good work! keep it up —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.26.224.150 (talk) 11:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

RE: Wikilinking racing drivers

Sorry about that, I should've checked the link before saved it, thanks for telling me - Kytabu (talk) 12:35, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

List of 2008 motorsport champions

Tabular version for 2008 is much more tidier than the bullet-pointed list of List of 2007 motorsport champions. Regards. Cs-wolves (talk) 00:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Are you going to put the motorcycle champions in the motorsport page, or are you going to put them in a similar page to the ones in 2007? Regards. Cs-wolves (talk) 19:40, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Fair point. I was leaning towards the all in one myself, but the two articles just led me to bring attention to it. But, yeah anyhow, I agree with the two in one. Cs-wolves (talk) 20:21, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Looks like User:Donnie Park (talk) wants the motorsport article to be split into dual articles again. Just thought I'd bring that to your attention, squire. Regards. Cs-wolves (talk) 20:48, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

What?

What the hell are you talking about? V8 Supercars is a major event in Australia. Fclass (talk) 21:51, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Whatever, man. Fclass (talk) 01:56, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Don't patronize me. I know what red means. Fclass (talk) 23:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Mildren-Waggott

Sorry, my bad! It's late here and I confused myself. Oh well, at least you spotted it!

Thanks, Readro (talk) 21:10, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Auto Project Templates

Hi. I saw that you've recently added the auto template to some talk pages. Thank you for doing this so that they're noticed, but in the future, please go ahead and rate their importance and quality. There's quite a backlog of unassessed articles (800 now, over 1000 when I started) that I'm trying to get through and would like to keep the list from growing again. If you're interested in rating some articles, you can find the list here. Thanks.--Flash176 (talk) 02:43, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

The guidelines can be found here. I know what you mean about it being hard to judge things in other markets. I hate assessing those because I never know how important they are in their countries. Like the guidelines say, it's all subjective.

The rule of thumb I usually go by is unless it's someone like Henry Ford, a person, kit car company, sports car, or relatively unknown vehicle will get a low rating. If a car is fairly well known, a lot were made, or it looks like it was made for many years (at least 8-10), then I give it a mid rating. High ratings go to very popular vehicles like the Ford F-150 and Honda Civic, influential people like Henry Ford, or important subject matter (Frame (vehicle))/Automotive lighting. The top category I reserve pretty much for manufacturers like Ford, Holden, Toyota, etc. Like I said, though, that's just my rule of thumb.--Flash176 (talk) 03:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Bathurst 1000

Well, at least my map is more than what was there before my edit. I am limited to what I can see in Google Earth. If some of the local roads were changed since then, I will tend to get the latest layout of those roads. Will (Talk - contribs) 05:56, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I know that Google Earth won't help. That was my point. Also, I pointed out that there was no map until I got to the article. A map that may have errors due to the wrong version being shown is better than no map at all. Will (Talk - contribs) 20:34, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Template:Brisbane Sports Teams

Hello Falcadore, what edit warring are you talking about? I reverted a change (once), which turned out to be a misunderstanding on my part. As soon as I was made aware of this, I reply right away, apologized and made the change back. I do not see any edit war over this template that involves me? Thank you for your time, MatthewYeager 21:31, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

2008 Nikon Indy 300 and 2008 Supercheap Auto Bathurst 1000 assessment

My concern with rating them B in both cases related to the sourcing of the Race sections in relation to criterion 1: "...It has reliable sources, and any important or controversial material which is likely to be challenged is cited..." No doubt the events as you described it occurred, and some would say there is no controversy so there is no need for references. If these are taken to WP:GAN, you would be requested to indicate sources for each paragraph I suspect.--Grahame (talk) 06:30, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Motor sport venue edits by Cheetaih

I was tossing up between "Not a Travel Guide" or "Indiscriminate", but neither seemed to fit. What are your thoughts Sir? To be honest, he wont listen, even if you quote wikipolicy. He just keeps on making his own rules, as I've found out when he reverts my edits.  Esradekan Gibb  ^"Talk" 10:20, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Bring it up at the wiki-project, or just revert them. --Falcadore (talk) 11:09, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

I was planning on reverting them, but I do try to find a policy or guideline to quote in the Edit Summary. You know, kinda covers your ass and all that. Wikipedia:Listcruft looks good, but it's only an essay. The project page seems like a good idea, cheers for that.  Esradekan Gibb  ^"Talk" 11:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Three-letter abbreviation for Brands Hatch

Hi Falcadore. I have just got round to updating the blank International F3000 results table in my reference user subpage to reflect the changes you made to the F3000 season articles a while ago. I was wondering if you have a preferred abbreviation for Brands Hatch, as it's now the only venue in the table to be represented by two letters instead of three? I think my choice would be BHT, but I thought I should get a second opinion.--Diniz(talk) 21:32, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'll use your suggestion. On the plus side, that's every International F3000 abbreviation now covered, and it won't become a problem ever again as the series no longer exists. ;) 21:53, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Mark Webber's accident

This has been sorted by somebody else already, it is up at the top (very top) and the "Outside Motorsport" section. Darth Newdar (talk) 19:46, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Symmons Plains

I just went through the copyright thing and i think your right and i'm wrong. I thought you could take pictures from tv on computer but it's the same as screenshot. Do you know where there could be more info on Symmons Plains? Aaroncrick (talk) 09:41, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Listing categories

Hi Falcadore. I notice that earlier today, you added a list of categories to the "Created pages" section of your userpage, and then removed them shortly afterwards. I'm guessing that's because rather than displaying the list of categories on your userpage, you ended up with your userpage included in those categories, which you probably didn't want. The trick to displaying the name of a category is to put a colon between the open square brackets and the word "Category", i.e. like this: [[:Category:2007 in IndyCar]] which produces this: Category:2007 in IndyCar. Alternatively, you can use the "cl" template, e.g. {{cl|2007 in IndyCar}} which produces: Category:2007 in IndyCar. Apologies if you already knew that or if I'm barking up the wrong tree. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 14:48, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:Australian Racing Driver

A tag has been placed on Template:Australian Racing Driver requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (<noinclude>{{transclusionless}}</noinclude>).

Thanks. --Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 21:27, 23 November 2008 (UTC) Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 21:27, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Australian Racing Driver

Template:Australian Racing Driver has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 23:43, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Removing CSD tags

Hiya. If you look at any page that is tagged for speedy deletion, there's a big red box outlining the procedure, which includes saying "If you created the page, please don't remove the deletion tag, use {{hangon}} instead and explain why the article should be kept." But most people don't read that--it looks like a bunch of boilerplate, so it's understandable. Cheers. //roux   editor review07:58, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

You're not an idiot. The info is written in small text in a GIANT WALL OF TEXT. Frankly I'm surprised when anyone reads it. //roux   editor review 11:21, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Superkart

You really consider a kart powered by a 29 hp Rotax Max engine to be a Superkart? Or a 80 cc kart? I know it is listed as such in Australia but if you see such a kart running on long circuit it is sort of a joke don't you think? - Wikigi | talk to me | 10:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

My opinion is irrelevant next to the facts. --Falcadore (talk) 10:51, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Skaifes 40th Round Win

Yeah it is that one, and your point is?

Once the desicion has been made then it is final, Mark Skaife has 40 round wins and that's the end of the discussion. If you do change it, then really there is no point of having a site such as this. If you want, I suggest you add the "controversial" call in its own little segment. But it's 40 round wins no matter what you say, because your not a V8 Official. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Exalt4korn (talk • contribs) 05:39, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, actually, I am in a small capacity but that is not important, - it's not V8 Supercar that keeps the records, but CAMS. And CAMS did not make that 'decision'. V8 Supercar does not have the power to alter seven year old records. But seeing as you can see through internet IDs and tell who is who you'd know all that hey? --Falcadore (talk) 05:51, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Official/CAMS whatever you would like to call them. I suggest then we leave it as 40, BUT have a segment on how that it is a "controversial" call. That way we are both happy and people know the truth. Note: I said "because your not a V8 Official" just in a smart ass attitude, don't take offense. --Exalt4korn (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 00:55, 10 December 2008 (UTC).

Just so you are aware, about 2/3 weeks ago, VESA's preferred statistician and Channel 7 commentator Aaron Noonan published a historical article in Auto Action list all the V8 Supercar round winners and labelled Skaife at 39 round wins, leaving all the Adelaide results 'unadjusted'. If VESAs quasi-official statastician is not official enough for you, then I don't know what is. --Falcadore (talk) 02:50, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

2009 V8 Supercar Championship

Hey.

I have now added to the Teams and Drivers section the reason why I know he has moved there. I do know this isn't a chat site to add things willy nilly. That is why I added something that I know is true. Thanks. Jimbylimba (talk) 01:03, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Fine, smarty pants. But just wait until they finally announce it. Then you'll see I am right and that you don't know everything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimbylimba (talk • contribs) 03:37, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey Falcadore, Read This : http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24888481-5001023,00.html?from=public_rss

Are You Really a Broadcaster??? If So WHo are you?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Airbus A380 (talk • contribs) 04:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

1995 Indycar Australia

Why did you eliminate the link to the last lap footage? It's the only proof that backs up what happened to Michael Andretti. 97.125.21.179 (talk) 06:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

WP:ELNEVER --Falcadore (talk) 09:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Toyota Racing Series articles

No problem at all. It was surprising to see a talk page with as many categories as that and the actual article with none at all. But that's all been sorted. On a sidenote, if any V8 news comes up on either Crash or Autosport, i'll whack it on the article. Regards. Cs-wolves(talk) 16:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

TWR and F3000

Hi, according to 1993 International Formula 3000 season TWR entered Jordi Gene in some F3000 races then. I have to say I don't have much of a memory of them entering at the time myself so if the info there is erraneous then please accept my apologies. 82.6.142.235 (talk) 23:16, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

List of motorsport terminology

You added an entry for lap record. Thing are done much differently in the U.S in NASCAR, open wheel/IndyCar, and occasionally local tracks. Generally, the lap record is the fastest qualifying lap for a type of cars. Laps during the race weren't timed until the past decade. Please you edit the entry to state which series/countries are done the way you indicated. Thanks! Royalbroil 14:17, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

2009 World Rally Championship season

All of the drivers on this list are confirmed and are not rumours. We are still waiting for conformation that Adapta will enter as a manufacturer team. If they are not confirmed, then I will move them below into the 'Regular Entries Not Registered as Manufacturers' section. Petera93 (talk) 17:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

At the time I wrote the request, NONE of them had been sourced with references, confirmed or not. That was the point I was trying to make, some two months ago. --Falcadore (talk) 23:51, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Apologies for not noticing your request earlier. I was the one that had created the driver table, albeit under an IP address, before I became a member. Adapta don't appear to have registered as a manufacturer team, so I have moved them into the section below. Thanks-Petera93 (talk) 21:07, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Porsche Carrera Cup Great Australia?

....but it is a factory supported series, hence the reasoning and did you say that it is the marketing name, hence making it sound like an official series. Donnie Park (talk) 07:30, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Was you mean. Remember, defunct. And there's still no such country as Great Australia. --Falcadore (talk) 07:36, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

I apologise for that, it was just some cut-and-paste job that went wrong - I should had pasted Australia over "Great Britain". Donnie Park (talk) 07:59, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Ford Falcon GT

I tried to draw existing material together to create Ford Falcon GT, the Holden fans/editors have certainly done a more thorough job than the Ford fans. The Ford Falcon (Australia) article does not draw it together unfortunately. The XY GT & XY GT HO Phase III articles are duplicates. Paul foord (talk) 10:14, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Rod Nash Racing

Unless you can find solid proof that RNR has been taken over by D'Alberto, I'll be glad to hear it. On the V8 Supercars website, the team is still listed as Rod Nash Racing and that the site rodnashracing.com.au is still being active and being maintained. Tony D'Alberto Racing is only a technological partner alongside Walkinshaw Performance aswell. So it's only logical to re-place the Rod Nash Racing link back onto the template. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bart-16 (talk • contribs) 12:55, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Not taken over. TDR is operating the RNR franchise. Basically RNR is just the paperwork, and all over their existing equipment has been sold off or is for sale. Plus there is TDR's official website. --Falcadore (talk) 13:03, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

=Holden Dealer Team winning cars pictures

Hi falcodore, ran this idea past marcusarelius and he suggested you are the man!! I have all 9 pictures of Brocks Bathurst winning cars Toranas - Commodores. They are 6x4 colour. How do I get them to the wiki HDT page, keeping the resolution locked and small enough not to be copied, yet big enough to see them? Let me known be happy to send you a set via email if you want to do it or you can tell me then we'll both know! RegardsZippomk2 (talk) 12:45, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

RE: Dean Fiore

Lets not jump the gun here mate. I still belive that TKR is still owned by David John. I have seen videos from TV3 from New Zealand and they announced that DJ was still holding the reins. I belive the only reason why Fiore is in 021 is that he is fast and brings dollars to the team. Until we have conforimation that TKR has been taken over, it would be wise to keep TKR as a seprate team from say, Wilson Racing or Morris Motorsport. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bart-16 (talk • contribs) 22:17, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Football (soccer)

The debate to rename the term football (soccer) to just simply "football" or "association football" has opened again. Please feel free to give your opinion here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football_(soccer)_in_Australia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.224.0.121 (talk) 02:24, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Britek or SBR

If Bright should be shown as part of SBR, surely this needs to be shown on the teams template as well. I changed the table because I saw the teams were seperate on the template, and Bright is shown as a Britek driver on his article. Alternatively, maybe we could have two columns for teams-one showing names such as Triple Eight and Kelly Racing, and another column with the 'official' team names shown on the entry lists, or the teams and drivers page on the official website, like TeamVodafone and Jack Daniels etc. Thanks Petera93 (talk) 18:37, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

i believe Britek should be listed as SBR, Rod Nash Racing as Tony D'Alberto Racing, the Dean Fiore's car as Paul Morris Motorsport, because that is what the teams actually is. Other editors believe otherwise. As for the temporary sponsor names which change year to year, i am ambivalent towards them so long as the team articles remain generically named. --Falcadore (talk) 08:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Possible Triple Eight Merger

I was wondering why the BTCC and V8 Supercar operations of Triple Eight need to be on seperate pages. I think it would be better if they were in seperate sections of the same page. I was wondering if you might want to join me in suggesting these pages should be merged, or do you know if they were seperated for a reason? If you could leave a reply on my talk page that would be much appreciated. Thanks Petera93 (talk) 21:05, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

As far as I am aware they were never spilt, but have evolved separately.

I'm afraid I'd have to oppose such a move. Would you also suggest that the Holden Racing Team should be included on pages for Tom Walkinshaw Racing or should Ford Performance Racing be included on Prodrive's page? Apart from ownership the two teams have nothing in common. --Falcadore (talk) 21:12, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks, I wasn't sure whether maybe they had a bit more in common. I'm happy to leave them as seperate articles if they're better that way. Thanks Petera93 (talk) 18:10, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Changes to V8 Utes

My answer is here. --NaBUru38 (talk) 17:20, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Australian Grand Prix

the withdrawal of Australia's most popular domestic racing series, V8 Supercar, from the support program, although the size of the attendance drop from 2006 to 2007 does not support the assertion. - Removed because it was POV? The drop in spectator numbers, as detailed immediately below was just 500 people (out of approx 300,000). It wasn't POV, 500 simply makes the assertion that the lack of V8 Supercars affected the crowd frankly silly. What exactly is your objection? --Falcadore (talk) 00:58, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

No it doesn't because one can't tell what other factors moved the attendance up or down. There may have been five factors that increased the attendance by an aggregate 100,000 counterbalanced by another five factors that reduced it by 100,500. Out of the negative aggregate of 100,500 (or 612 or 43,321 or whatever) the amount attributable to the removal of the V8 Supercar race may have been 100,500 or it may have been zero, or anything inbetween. There is simply no way to tell, but the phrase I removed implies that all or nearly all of it was. That is editorialising on the basis of circumstantial evidence, or to put it another way, it is POV. Postlebury (talk) 01:20, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

My original point was that the attendance would drop was an unsupported assertion. Whether there were other factors at play is not relevant to the fact that the original line about that the V8 Supercars would cause an attendance drop was completely unsupported with any evidence. If you want to be POV, then BOTH halves of the sentence needs to be withdrawn. --Falcadore (talk) 01:40, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

On the question of the prominent role of FIA

A quote from your message to my talk page: Considering FIA homepage displays both WRC & F1 at about equal size.' Just so its clear then, your opinion is backed up by the IT designers who maintain the FIA's website? It was an attempt at a common sense reversion. If you are going to slap a fact citation on every part of the article that does not give equal space to WRC based on the visuals of the FIA website, then go ahead. --Falcadore (talk) 06:08, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I've thought about it and here are some of my conclusions:

FIA adjudicates international automobile racing, of which F1 is indeed the biggest and prettiest. However, claiming that Its most prominent role is in the licencing and arbitration of Formula One motor racing is a broad generalization which demands a neutral source: An objective - read: well sourced - definition of prominent role of FIA instead of a subjective view on the issue - Therefore, I'm not going to remove the tag.

I do acknowledge my mistake: I should've deleted the entire point-of-view bit as it doesn't really add anything to the article and is patently misleading. Consider, for example, that from the perspective of number of participants, FIA has a more prominent role in rally racing ie. FIAs rulings impact more racers (and races and live audience) in rally than in F1.

For that matter...My revised view on the question What is FIA's most prominent role? is this: Governing of international autmobile racing (of which the flagships are F1 and WRC).

You might also find this - result of 1 minute googling - an interesting read: A survey proves the popularity of world rallying both in Finland and globally, as the total number of viewers was a staggering 816 million (2007 figure). Finland´s round of the series, Neste Oil Rally Finland, managed to pull an audience of 53,6 million.

-G3, 04:36, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

That 816 million figure I have seen before in the company of a popularity figure for Formula 1 that is greater than the entire population of Earth and Formula 1 has been ridiculed in the past for using it, which is why you don't see such figures quoted in relation to F1 anymore. Those figures are determined by a formula that advertisers use and understand, but not by those of the general population.

I have no doubt that rallying is more popular in Finland than every other sport up-to and including football, but Finland is hardly representative of global figures, no individual country is.

The FIA tend to farm out administration of international series to other organisations, Rally used to be one of Dave Richards companies but now if memory serves I think it is ISC? The majority of rallyists would source most of their rulings from their national ISNs rather than the FIA itself. To rule over domestic rallying is essentially micro-managing and why else have ISNs in each country if you don't use them.

I also believe this is a discussion better served by Wikipedia: Motorsport, than the two of us however and am willing to defer to their judgement. --Falcadore (talk) 05:11, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Motorsport in 2009 template

I am in the situation that I agree with you on this. There is really not point in the template, when there is already a category of all the 2009 motorsport articles. Plus, they will all be implemented into the List of 2009 motorsport champions when the championships are won. Just my two cents. Cs-wolves(talk) 20:21, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Yep, I agree. I'll let you bring it up, as you were the first to have those particular thoughts about the template. I mean, the template could be thirty-deep if most of the series list on the List of 2008 motorsport champions page were listed on the 2009 motorsport template. Cs-wolves(talk) 11:58, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

TWR merger

OK, understood. I'll remove the merger discussion then. --Pc13 (talk) 17:42, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

1964 New Zealand Grand Prix

Couldn't help but notice the discrepancy between Jack Brabham's pole position time of 1'09.6 and Frank Matich's fastest lap of 1'26.2. Was it bucketing down for the race, or something? Cheers Kaiwhakahaere (talk) 04:04, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Will confirm. --Falcadore (talk) 04:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

The race was actually wet, but the pole time was wrong too. Pole was not diceded by a qualifying session. --Falcadore (talk) 14:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Monaco

That's not really what I meant - but on reflection, you're probably right anyway. Cheers. 4u1e (talk) 07:47, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

It looked better than the version here with the {{{}}} all over the infobox. --Falcadore (talk) 14:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

True. 4u1e (talk) 16:37, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: 2009 Le Mans

Sure, no problem. --Danny 93 (talk) 10:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

That's what I meant, the driver additions on their pages. --Danny 93 (talk) 10:42, 28 May 2009 (UTC)