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Thank for you kind welcome. I did not jump straight in, as the John Bowe (motor racing) piece needs to be extensively re-written along accuracy lines, as does I note Peter Brock and Jim Richards (race driver). The Richards piece in particular is potenetially libellous. Needs more time than a simple edit.Falcadore 15:27, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

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1990 Sandown 500

Hi Falcadore,

Thanks for adding the extra info to these results. I notice that you don't quote a source. Where did the DNF info come from? I'm not doubting you, I'm just interested. GTHO 00:16, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Motorsport Statistics is what I do. Came out of the files. 1990... probably originally came from the October 1990 issue of Racing Car News. --Falcadore 00:43, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

"inactive" project

I see you've been busy on Aus motorsport articles. The Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian motorsport has been marked inactive (see discussion at User talk:Kariteh#Inactive definition). You're welcome to "reactivate" it if you like. --Scott Davis ^Talk 15:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian motorsport

Hello, you sent me an Invitation to join Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian motorsport what do I do to join it, do I only have to add my name as it says?

User:Muitint78 www.57racer.page.tl 01:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Essentially that's it. The project page isn't as active as I would like it to be. There are though a few projects I'd like to push towards the group, a few important pages that need work, this would be the best place to push for it. --Falcadore 01:49, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the add Nigel Porter 3 Sept, 2007. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NigelPorter (talk • contribs) 04:31, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Leanne Tander

Hi Falcadore. Sorry. It looks like we crossed edits on Leanne Tander. I'll leave it alone for the moment. I suggest removing the copyvio. DH85868993 02:55, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

heh yeah - although a query - copyvio? Jargon is the enemy of communication so as Pauline Hanson says - please explain. --Falcadore 02:57, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah, sorry: copyvio = copyright violation. Often abbreviated to "copyvio" because that's the name of the shortcut to the relevant Wikipedia policy page: WP:COPYVIO. DH85868993 02:59, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Should an appropriate annotation go on the Leanne Tander page or the discussion page? --Falcadore 03:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I see you've mentioned the copyright violation on the article's talk page and also on the talk page of the editor who added it. That should be enough for now. If that editor doesn't remove or substantially modify the text within, say, the next 24 hours, then one of us can just remove it. P.S. Thanks for your comment on my talk page. DH85868993 03:10, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Im confused. Whats the copyright violation on the page? Is it the article on 2007? --Kpaspery 02:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Strongly suspected. Refer the Leanne Tander discussion page. --Falcadore 03:00, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I've deleted the offending section. DH85868993 03:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Bob Morris

Hi Falcadore, You might remember me from the Colin Bond page. I have started a wikipedia article on Bob Morris (motor racing) as I feel that he was a significant figure of the 1970's Touring Car era and was surprised that there wasn't an article on him already. Please check out the new article on Bob Morris and make any corrections or add additional info if you would like to. cheers, Marcusaurelius161 15:41, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

That something like what you were after? --Falcadore 01:07, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, thanks Falcadore, for the additional info and Morris’s date of birth. The article now gives a pretty good overview of his career. And his father Ray now gets a mention; as he should. Marcusaurelius161 06:09, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Use of the word "football" in Australia

Thanks for your contributions to articles on Australian sport. Regarding the "edit war" on some templates recently, use of the word football in Australian English is a contentious issue, as both the Aussie rules and rugby league communities also use the word "football" (by itself), to mean their respective codes. The policy of FFA to re-brand their sport as simply "football" is a long way from being universally accepted. The practice among long-standing Australian Wikipedia editors, established by consensus after much debate, is to refer to "football (soccer)", which is also what the article on the code is called. Grant | Talk 11:48, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

State Sports Teams templates

After reading what Grant has said above me I don't have a problem with leaving the templates as Football (soccer). It looks messy but I guess there's nothing we can do about it. Bongomanrae 12:31, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Kangaroo at V8 Supercar event

The video of the kangaroo dodging cars at the event this past weekend is all over the American news media. I bet I saw the video 7 times, and it's currently available for viewing on yahoo's homepage (related story). The incident should be integrated somewhere into the V8 Supercar pages since it received very much press worldwide. I saw it on several national morning shows this morning. I have never seen the V8 series on American television before this. Royalbroil 23:50, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Problem is, the kangaroo incident occured during a support race, V8Supercar's equivalent of the NASCAR Busch series, and as such has no article relating to it. I'm open to suggestions, and as I'm not well versed on the technical side I'm not sure how to best exploit it. Putting a link to the U-Tube page is easy enough, but do you have any other suggestions? --Falcadore 02:44, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, the media said it was in a V8 Super race. I would not use the fact then. Otherwise, why don't you write an article about the support series, and add the fact there? It should be notable as long as it's a country-wide or possibly a statewide series. Royalbroil 03:53, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes it was a V8Supercar race, in so far that any Busch series race is a NASCAR race. If you look at the 2006 Bathurst page there is a long entry on something that happened in a support event, I was just after some ideas. --Falcadore 07:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Your page creation/Superkarts - lean, green, racing machines‎

Notice you've jumped in and suggested this article be deleted. Agree completely, in addition, it's divergent from an existing article for Superkart, and if you pop into the contributions of the user User:Mykartdream they have placed a copy of this article under the heading Green motorsport, which itselft is another article duplication - refer to Green Issue in Motorsport --Falcadore 08:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

This page should be deleted, there already is a page on Superkarts, ity does not need a second. --Falcadore 08:13, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

This article lacks references and contains no sources. My suggestion to you would be to include sources, make it less original researchy, and more expandable to the subject. I will check back in a week, and if the article contains the same issues, I will nominate for Afd. Miranda 08:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I read over it, and it reads like an essay, and I am nominating it for deletion in five days. My suggestion to you is to either use information that you researched to improve the Superkart article. Miranda 08:22, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry, got confused on who created this article. :-/ Apologies? Miranda 08:27, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

No worries. No harm, no foul, we both want the same thing but for different complimentary reasons. --Falcadore 08:30, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

By the way - should the advertising criteria be enough to whack a speedy deletion tag on the duplicate article Green motorsport too? --Falcadore 08:38, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Your List of film hexologies and larger series question

Star Trek is in undecologies now. :) - LA @ 09:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Noticed after the fact - apologies, will now sit in the corner and be quiet for a while. --Falcadore 09:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I removed the link to hexologies and larger since I now moved it to decologies and larger. Hexologies through nonologies now have their own pages. - LA @ 07:50, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Small Mercies

I've added the content. I couldn't really find a use for the amo link, maybe you can... — H₂O —  02:48, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Privateer

Mirriam-Webster only has the one definition, Privateer (disambiguation) doesn't list any other non-specialized meanings, and I don't see anything in the first five pages of Google that suggest otherwise. Clarityfiend 15:54, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

It's a very common phrase used in touring car racing. Its a phrase not used in NA because there is no touring car racing. I would not expect Google to turn it up because it is an industry specific term. Have a look at the Touring car racing article. Or try googling 'touring car privateer'. --Falcadore 07:31, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

"Winner of the Australian Grand Prix" succession boxes

Hi Falcadore. I notice that you recently added "Winner of the Australian Grand Prix" succession boxes to Frank Matich and Graham McRae. I'm wondering whether this is a good precedent to set. Because if we have succession boxes for the winners of the Australian Grand Prix, then why not the British GP, and French GP and Monaco GP, etc. See my point? (Just imagine the effect on Michael Schumacher's article!) I've started a discussion on this topic at WP:MOTOR. I thought you may care to participate. DH85868993 11:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I only added it to drivers who won Grands Prix from the pre-F1 era, entirely mindful of the facts as you've indicated, and was even further selective as I did not add it to Alan Jones or Roberto Moreno. I was intending to take it no further than I have. --Falcadore 23:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I should have spotted that. And I probably should have waited for your reply before starting the discussion on WP:MOTOR. Oh well, it's done now. Apologies. DH85868993 01:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Wheels COTY succession boxes

I have started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles about your recent additions to articles that have previously won the Wheels Car of the Year award. I would appreciate it if you could provide some input into the matter. OSX (talk • contributions) 22:44, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Sure. Have provided input as requested, pointless as that appeared to be. --Falcadore 03:06, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Chris Smith (driver)

(copied from User talk:SlackerMom)

SlackerMom: noticed you recently connected a link from the two Bathurst 24 Hour races to this driver. Can you confirm this American driver raced these Australian races? There was an Australian based driver with that name and I do not believe it to be the same person. --Falcadore (talk) 11:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Nope, I cannot confirm that. I linked to Chris Smith (driver) based on assumption only. I have been trying to remove links to Chris Smith, which is a disambiguation page, and I'm sure I often make mistakes. There are apparently far more Chris Smith's in the world than anyone could hope to keep straight, so I appreciate your catching this one. There a few options to correct this. We could: 1-delink Chris Smith in the Bathurst 24 Hour race articles (better then linking to the wrong person), 2-create a redlink such as Chris Smith (Australian driver), or something similar, if we think an article should/will someday exist for this person. What do you think? SlackerMom (talk) 13:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Tander Moving to HRT...

He may be moving to HRT ... I just thought I'd post it because it may be worth reading. Sure it's just a rumor, but Christianity is a laod of bull yet it has a whole page - go figure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.155.65.139 (talk) 11:03, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

"With Garth Tander moving into the team for 2008..." - That's not a rumour, that's saying it's done. That's why it was deleted. --Falcadore 11:09, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't meant to be layed out like that, was to busy fixing up the main V8 Supercar page to focus on everything. But I'm still going to put it on, don't worry - I'll make sure I get it right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.155.65.139 (talk) 03:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Group A Bathurst

I don't know why you put a NPOV tag on it for. I justified why the Commodore received special mention. It was the only truly Australian representation during the Group A era. IS it possible for you to remove the tag, it jus seems abit unfair and rash. I belive it portrays an accurate description and feeling for the time. Every Australian was pro-Aussie, and craved for an Aussie victory over the imports. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HSVMAN (talk • contribs) 11:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

'Pro-Aussie' has no place in Wikipedia. Pro-Aussie is essentially the defination of NPOV. --Falcadore 11:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

The neccessary changes have been made to the Bathurst 1000 Group A section, in order to achieve a NPOV. Hopefully the disputed NPOV tag can be removed, as I believe it now portrays a truly historic description of events at Bathurst.--HSVMAN (talk) 01:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

re:List of motorsport championships

Sorry about this, I was doing this and copying them from other articles that had lists when I was feeling tired (about 4am GMT), I have removed as many duplicates as I can, feel free to make further edits. Willirennen (talk) 18:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced lineups

Hey mate. Please don't post lineups that haven't been confirmed. It's too much of a headache to clean up for starters and unconfirmed lineups are not always right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bart-16 (talk • contribs) 10:25, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, Tony D'Alberto at Rod Nash has been confirmed some time back now - his team has taken over the franchise from Independant Race Cars, who have been forced to step back to Fujitsu series and may run Jack Perkins, and are testing drivers to replace D'Alberto in the Fujitsu series car, I think David Reynolds was in the frame there. Motorsport News ran David Besnard on their front cover last week - must be something to that. Some of those driver moves have been referenced and attributed at 2008 V8 Supercar season, but maybe you might want to fix that page too. I'll respect that if you so choose. Part of the desire to fix the template was because the template was showing different information from the 2008 season page and they looked a little silly saying different things on the same page. --Falcadore (talk) 22:46, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

V de V

Hip-hop? WTH?... Lol. I thought it was a redlink, anyway. Yes, V de V does exist, the proper full name is V de V Challenge, V de V is the organisation name and comes from the series' founder, semi-pro sports car driver Eric van de Vyver. You may recall a few outings by a Gillet Vertigo in the BPR Series in the late 90s, that was him. The V de V Challenge is a series of endurance competitions held in the same weekend, mostly for gentleman drivers, with historic cars, 2L sports-prototypes and one-make GTs. The races are long, 6 to 12 hours, or events with 4000 km. You can find more information in VdeV.fr. There's an English language section. --Pc13 (talk) 09:17, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps a change to V de V Challenge is in order? --Falcadore (talk) 09:41, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Frank Gardner

Thank you, I thought it was unusual that the bot was wrong. Sounds like a good idea. :) Somno (talk) 00:51, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Splitting performance models

I was going to write to you to bring this up, my reason of doing this was I saw a split on the BMW, Volvo and Fiat section but I may as well post these questions here

1. Does the Corolla GT listed on the results mean the Toyota AE86
2. Because I am just putting together an article about the Sierra Cosworth, when researching, this source stated that the cars was built in the same factory as the other Sierras, the modification work was done in the UK, just to point this out.
3. and...I removed this one since you mentioned the Commodore and Falcon bit as this what it was about.

 Willirennen (talk) 15:28, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Not always. Not all the 80 series Corolla touring cars were fastbacks, there was at least one notchback, and several short wheel base AE82 hatchbacks and some were Levins rather than Sprinters. I'm told there is a difference.

I would like to undo the Skyline and Sierra splits because this list is more about - "I didn't know a Prince Skyline or a Mitsubishi Colt raced at Bathurst" rather than a trainspotters guide to Commodores. The BMWs were split because there is no such road car as an E36 so how do you list the BMW 318i/320i/325i? The 323i is a different car - the 80's E30 model, but very obviously the 323i can't be grouped with the M3. Fiat 124 and 124S were very different cars. And the two Volvos were separated by six years and a turbocharger, one built to series production regs, the other an imported megabuck GroupA, they probably deserved separate listings. To the average reader a performance Sierra is a performance Sierra (by the way, the 93/94 model is just an RS500 without its turbo), so splitting too far has a negative effect on readability. Lets leave it as they were.

FYI: If I remember rightly the difference between a Levin and a Sprinter came down to a 1.5 vs 1.6 litre engine? A moot point when the engine is ripped out and replaced with a Group A 1.6 motor isn't it? The first two Corollas TTA built, one was a fastback Levin or Sprinter (they called it a Sprinter) and the other was the notchback - hence the Corolla GT label. From what I remember the notchback was the first of TTA's cars to be retired and was a static showcar by 1987. --Falcadore (talk) 16:25, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Responding to the bit mentioning a turbocharger probably severed of separate listings, the same reason why I separated the lot from my edits. After reading this section two years ago (ETCC details and Volvo's tricks of the trade) thus your edits on that page was why I ended up broken some of these bits off.

I will accept the Corolla bit as I only suggested because there is a separate page for the AE86, which the info for the AE85 is bundled into.

My reason for separating the XR4Ti is, although there is a Sierra XR4i (2.8 litre), but there is no Sierra XR4Ti (turbo 2.3 litre) as it is simply a rebadged US market Merkur XR4Ti, that is what Andy Rouse said in an interview for the January 2008 issue of evo (page 101), plus he said that they were used to develop the Sierra Cosworth. Also there is an article for it, so that is why I split it off.

Replying to The BMWs were split because there is no such road car as an E36 so how do you list the BMW 318i & 320i. There is, it an article called BMW 3 Series, BMW downsized the 320 to its 318 because BMW said back in '94 believed that the latter is more rev happier.

As for Supras, this is like saying that the FT0 should be put in the same listing as the Galant FT0 and the recent GT-R should be put in the same listing as the Skyline GT-R. They were simply nameplates that ended up being separated off from its usual range, plus the Celica Supra was a top range Celica as it was based on the same chassis and used the same bodyshell.

Just to point out that I am not a big expert on The Great Race but a fan of the track and the race, so I am not going to know every car that entered the race, hence I don't plan to take the split any further as I have as done much as I can. Willirennen (talk) 18:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

BMW 3 series is just as arbitrary as as E36. There is not a single car anywhere that has a badge E36 or 3 Series. The cars were called 318i and 320i. It is what the public knows them as. The road cars have different engines, the race cars do not.

There was only one Celica Supra touring car in Australia. It was universally referred to as a Supra thoughout its life.

No Skyline RS or GTS-R were sold in Australia. While there is a case to separate the Nissan GT-R, the R30 and R31 were just Skylines according to the Australian public.

Ford Sierras were never sold here. A Sierra is a Sierra. Additionally, RS500 Cosworth is mangling two different cars. The RS Cosworth started the 1987 with the RS500 (without the Cosworth label) arriving as a mid season upgrade.

I feel I must re-iterate, splitting makes the article less readable. --Falcadore (talk) 23:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I should point out, I not sure if I mentioned this before as I am UK based, my knowledge in car markets does not extend to Down Under,

I this list, I think there is some element in this list that seem to contradict it self as it lists some homlogation models but you're saying that I can't lists other performance/homlogation models. What i want to point out is, aren't performance models simply homlogation models without the limited production. As for a Sierra Cosworth is a Sierra, this is like saying a 240 Turbo is a normal 240, a M3 is a 3 series. Also for the Sierra bit, aren't we supposed to add what was raced there according to your list, considering if it wasn't sold in the market, should it be what was universally named. At the end of the day, i was trying to edit according to these race results.

The issue with the BMW 3 series bit is, isn't that what most people refer them as rather than standalone model numbers, unless they want to compare their 3 series over their mates with another 3 series. People (who I happened to have met before) aren't going around and say "I own a 316i" if they want something to brag about, especially when their mate own a 330i or a M3, they just say I own a 3 series BMW, which allows the other person to take a guess; therefore merging them in one line is as reasonable as having the Falcons and Commodores in one line. Willirennen (talk) 04:30, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

2007 Sandown GT Classic

I recently came across this article this race report as part of the 2007 Australian GT Championship season. I know that you and GTHO have been working hard on the Australian GT articles, and I think they are turning out well and it is helpful since my knowledge on the series was limited mostly to just the most recent season.

However, stemming from a discussion long ago on WP:MOTOR, as well as my personal belief for the Sports Car Racing project, I have to wonder if this article, and others in the season, are necessary. The idea is basically that individual race reports, which were beginning to crop up as projects besides WP:F1 began to appear, have to have some standards, or else we'd end up with thousands of race reports. The question is basically how important is the series? Although I believe no official decision was made, the idea that was leaned towards was that major international series considered to be the top echelon of their sport were notable enough to have individual race reports. Smaller national series or smaller formulas which did not earn major press might be too small to have individual race reports. Season summaries were agreed to be alright, since they could could provide some information from individual races but not too much.

Since I'm not sure if you saw the discussions, I basically ask your opinion on this. I know that you write a lot of race summaries for other series, such as the various Australian touring car series and such, but since this series falls under Sports Car Racing, I figured I'd bring it up. The359 (talk) 09:58, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Was not planning any individual GT races other this this one. The GT folk are are planning the GT Classic as a standout enduro race, similar in its way that Bathurst is to the V8 Supercar series. --Falcadore (talk) 11:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

That having been said, I was planning to add any international motor race held in Australia, hence the recent addition of the two World Sportscar round that were held in Australia, and the backwards history expansion of the Australian CART/Champ Car round. Rally Australia also beckons, Australian Motorcycle Grand Prix, continuing the Bathurst 1000 back into the 1960's, and the Australian Grand Prix back into the 70's the Formula 5000 era, and at some point no doubt the Tasman Cup series. Plus I have intention to cover several current national series. Thoughts? --Falcadore (talk) 02:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I had forgotten about this comment and hence forgot to check up on it. I assume that the Sandown GT Classic race in 2007 was actually the very first running? I think it might be better to have an article on the event itself first, rather than a results page for only its first running. Although the event may be planned to be a big GT event, I think that notability would really only allow for a description of the event first, and then results can be added after the race expands.

I can understand international events in Australia being added, such as the series you mentioned, since those are considered top tier series. I plan to have a lookover and expand on your work on the two WSC rounds in Australia. The359 (talk) 02:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Your "Created Pages" list

Hi Falcadore. On my screen, some of the entries in your "Created Pages" list (specifically 2002 V8 Supercar season‎, ‎ 2003 Bob Jane T-Marts 1000,‎ 2003 Lexmark Indy 300,‎ 2003 V8 Supercar season‎, 2004 Lexmark Indy 300,‎ 2005 Lexmark Indy 300,‎ 2005 Supercheap Auto 1000 and 2005 V8 Supercar season‎) appear slightly indented, but looking at the wikitext I can't see any reason why they should be. Do they appear slightly indented to you too? Or is it just me? Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 02:08, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Noticed that too. It's an odd one - there is nothing in the code that is different for the indented lines. This does not show up when I view the page in Firefox, but it does in Explorer. Don't know, and don't care that much, the main reason the list is there is so I can keep track of what I've done, it would be easy for me to forget, and it's gotten longer than I thought it would have. --Falcadore (talk) 02:54, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, so it's an Explorerism them. I should have thought to check it in Firefox myself. And of course, you're right about it not being important - in fact feel free to delete this whole discussion! DH85868993 (talk) 07:14, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Might be important if it affects future articles. Myself - don't know. --Falcadore (talk) 07:16, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Brisbane meetup

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Delivered on behalf of Dihydrogen Monoxide. Giggabot (talk) 14:00, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

association football (soccer)

I'll create it if you like, but the assosiation football was for world soccer, not soccer in australia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.152.81 (talk) 06:21, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me, but the calling of soccer in australia is long debated. Most people call it soccer and feel it should still have the soccer tag in it. If you can show me where it was decided that we would call in association football IN AUSTRALIA and where it was agreed on BY ALL PEOPLW DEBATING (not just soccer fans) then I will stop editing. Until you do, I will continue to do it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.152.81 (talk) 06:31, 19 January 2008 (UTC) Show me where it was agrreed on, I'm not just taking your word for it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.152.81 (talk) 06:41, 19 January 2008 (UTC) So byt hat, american articles can no longer call it soccer? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.152.81 (talk) 07:03, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok what you think couldn't faze me either —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.152.81 (talk) 07:35, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

we have as much right 2 call it soccer as they do —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.152.81 (talk) 07:20, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Soccer is still the common name in Australia...

...regardless of what it is called by FFA and in Wikipedia. We use Australian English for Australian subjects.

And, by the way, only people in NSW and Qld refer to Australian rules as "AFL". The rest of us just call it "football".

Grant | Talk 12:27, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

"I believe you will find the same three year argument played out over a smaller group of editors with the same lack of resolution" Yup, which is why WP policy is that the status quo should remain, in cases where consensus has not been achieved. In any case, commonsense and WP:UCN say we should use the common name in the country concerned. Which is soccer. Grant | Talk 02:30, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Consensus was achieved. Refer the Association Football talk page. --Falcadore (talk) 02:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

If you consult the archives there you will see that consensus was not achieved, and myself and several others objected strenuously to the move to Association football. A clique of anglocentrics decided to flagrantly disregard policy. Never mind — Australian sport articles do not have to follow their decisions. Grant | Talk 05:42, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Super Touring subcat

Hi Falcadore. I'm planning to create a subcategory of Category:Motorsport in Australia for the Super Touring articles. Do you think I should call it "Category:Australian Super Touring Championship" (for consistency with the Australian Super Touring Championship article), or "Category:Australin Super Touring Car Championship", for consistency with the individual season articles, e.g. 1995 Australian Super Touring Car Championship? Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 04:00, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Let me find the official name. One should be moved/changed to suit. --Falcadore (talk) 21:43, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

WP:ACID Nom

Hello Falcadore, I have nominated the Ford Falcon (Australia) article for WP:ACID, for reasons such as improving the general Australian car category (because that both you and I know it is an important article) and others. If you believe that it should be improved to FA, could you please cast a vote for it? Much appreciated HarrisonB - Talk 05:29, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

V8 Supercar Teams template

Hi Falcadore. I've been playing around with the layout of the V8 Supercars Teams template to make it a bit neater and more readable. You've been actively editing it lately so I'd be interested in what you think before I make any changes. I posted an example of my new layout to its talk page for people to comment on.

What do you think? Fruv (talk) 06:01, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Lexmark Indy Article

Just thought I'd drop you a message to thank you for your efforts on the article. I took the line "they have claimed a better billing with Champ Car, hence taking the last race of the day." out because its not factual (it was due to knee jerk reaction over the weather concerns for the champ car race), I was intending to write a bit more in a similar aspect to what you added, but you did a much better job than I could of did. Top work mate :-) Clown666 (talk) 10:51, 26 February 2008 (UTC)