User talk:Equine-man

Why did you remove my external links?

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Why did you remove my post about COI edits

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Do not make personal attacks

Your depiction of User:Trusted user53 at WP:AIV was utterly inappropriate, and (unless you provide evidence) if you again accuse him or anyone else of inserting hoaxes into articles, you will be blocked for a violation of Wikipedia:No personal attacks. "Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence" are a kind of personal attack, and none of this user's recent edits is anywhere close to "creating fake reference links". Nyttend (talk) 20:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

@Nyttend “creating fake references” might be the wrong terminology, but what is the correct terminology when you visit about 6 links the editor has inserted into other articles where there is no mention of the person he is saying the reference is about? Equine-man (talk) 20:18, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for abuse of editing privileges. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

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I have blocked you for this comment above. None of the user's recent edits matches your description. In one, the name was added (and it's backed up by the citation, so it's a legitimate addition), and in the rest, an existing name was merely linked. Nyttend (talk) 20:22, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Woah, that seems extremely heavy-handed Nyttend. This could have been a teaching moment.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 20:25, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

The teaching is that personal attacks are never acceptable. If I start spreading false information about you in an attempt to get you blocked, and I keep it up when given a firm warning, I deserve a boomerang, not merely discussion. Nyttend (talk) 20:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

If you'll be patrolling AIV and hold this standard, be prepared to make many blocks on RC patrollers. Admins active there (such as HJ Mitchell and Ad Orientem, and myself when I'm able) try to explain why the incourrect vandalism reports may be misguided and watch for further issues with the same editor. You obviously stand by the block, but I also stand by my belief that this was premature and excessive. You state that Equine-man was "spreading false information about [someone] in an attempt to get [them] blocked", which is ascribing motivations that I don't see evidence to be true. It looks more like they misunderstood the way Trusted user53 was linking names. Again, it was a teachable moment as opposed to outright personal attacks requiring an immediate block. -- Ponyo^{bons mots} 21:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't want to belabor this, as I note the block has been lifted. However, I share Ponyo's surprise. I've handed out thousands of blocks and can count on the fingers of one hand (probably with change left over) the number that were for a bad report at AIV or another noticeboard. The only times I believe I have ever done so were if it was obviously a case of bad faith. That said, there have been multiple times I have had to gently correct editors for making reports that were either precipitous, or simply unjustified. And yes, a few cases where I had to issue a stern warning because they were making a habit out of it. I'm not going to call it a bad block. But I will say that I wouldn't have done it. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:12, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Unblock request and discussion

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Equine-man (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I accept your ban. No need to unblock me, I will wait the 24 hours. I just failed to find any mention of the person he was referencing in any of the links I looked at. Would like it if you could confirm if I was wrong or right and find the person in the actual links the editor provided. Equine-man (talk) 20:30, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Accept reason:

See my comment below Nyttend (talk) 05:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Equine-man, blocks are meant to prevent disruption, not to punish. If you understand the issue and are willing not to do it again, I'm happy to unblock you now. You don't have to agree with my conclusions, and you don't have to say "Sorry, I was wrong". It can be as simple as a plan (not even something you say here) to provide links and evidence when you're making claims about people. Nyttend (talk) 20:57, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

If you're not looking for an unblock, please don't use the unblock template. I'd be happy to look into the issue though. Could you provide a couple examples? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Here are all ten of the user's recent edits (after 6 April):

• Links pre-existing appearance of "Ursula Ilse-Neuman"
• Links pre-existing appearance of "Ursula Ilse-Neuman"
• Links pre-existing appearance of "Ursula Ilse-Neuman"
• Adds a statement that Ursula Ilse-Neuman curated an exhibition; the sentence has two sources, and one of them verifies the new statement
• Links pre-existing appearance of "Ursula Ilse-Neuman"
• Links pre-existing appearance of "Ursula Ilse-Neuman"
• Links pre-existing appearance of "Ursula Ilse-Neuman"
• Links pre-existing appearance of "Ursula Ilse-Neuman"
• Uses "author-link" parameter to link "Ursula Ilse-Neuman", who was listed as an editor
• Links "Margaret De Patta" in a title, probably not strictly appropriate per WP:MOS, but a minor issue at most

Nyttend (talk) 20:51, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Any disagreement from you, Equine-man? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:53, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you.

1. [diff.] The reference does not contain any mention of Ursula Ilse-Neuman in the linked article.

2. [Diff] Seems to be randomly inserted into article.

3. [diff] Seems to have been randomly added to article. This link actually does point here, and does mention Don Tompkins, but see no reason why the link was added. I felt the links were being added to strengthen the case, even if the link was tenuous. Equine-man (talk) 21:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

I really feel like you're messing up here. Could you please review your first example, and spend some time on it. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 21:59, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

[I've thrown in a new header, since this is a separate topic] Your links have some coding mistakes. [1], [2], and [3] are what you meant to link, I believe. Also, I've unblocked you because you're now discussing and providing links. Nyttend (talk) 22:18, 24 April 2024 (UTC)