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March 2016[edit]

Information icon Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TalhaZubairButt. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. MBlaze Lightning -talk! 19:34, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Its funny coming from you, when its you who have started a fake investigation against me on unfounded grounds lets see what the result comes out to be. I though still stick by my claim of calling you a bigot and blaming you for harassing new/inexperienced editors (I am by no means an exception) on the wiki pedia community while pushing your rather sinister nationalistic rhetoric without any proofs or regards for the wikipedia rules and policies.DelusionMBT (talk) 19:39, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting Unblock[edit]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

DelusionMBT (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I was blamed for being a sock of Talha Zubair Butt, which I clearly am not. Being on Wikipedia is a continuously learning process and I believe this time I didn`t do anything wrong and tried my best to abide by the rules for the reasons cause of which I was blocked earlier.This time I didn`t involve myself in edit warring or anything else to deserve this block. I kindly request you to unblock me as I have already learned from my previous mistakes which can be reflected in my current edits as well.

Decline reason:

This block is based on technical evidence. We can see that you edited as AlKhalidMBT, GreenBeret65 and VisionHawk. These accounts edited the same article giving a false sense of support. We consider that very dishonest and damaging to our project. HighInBC 17:41, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

How can I go to the SPI to accept all of my sockpuppets?[edit]

Dear SheriffIsInTown,

I don`t think that I can post any where else, can I please be informed that how can I go to the SPI to accept my previous accounts, which were ofcourse due to my ignorance I am still not fully aware of the meaning of sock puppetry. The reason I am asking you is because you have instructed me to go to the other place which I cant, as I cannot post any where else. I have already requested an unblock from my own page. User:SheriffIsInTown DelusionMBT (talk) DelusionMBT (talk) 17:37, 28 March 2016 (UTC)17:36, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I will ping @Mike V: who can consider this request of yours. I have already denied your unlbock request but perhaps Mike will think differently. HighInBC 17:43, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
DelusionMBT: Sorry, but I will not be able to grant an unblock request. In addition to the accounts listed, you previously used the account creation tool in an attempt to create another account. The community does not view this favorably. If you wish to resume editing, we encourage you to go 6 months without editing or creating new accounts. After that period, we will be willing to review your unblock request. Mike V • Talk 17:46, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Admins: Please note that, the presence of such users is a great threat to the encyclopedia. This user was involve in POV-Pushing and vandalism with his three sock accounts on Husain Haqqani article. He also did personal attacks on other users including me across multiple articles/Users talk pages and in SPI too. MBlaze Lightning -talk! 18:02, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User: MBlaze Lightning :::Admins: Please note that I am still a novice, and I still stick by my claim that MBlaze Lightning is involved in bullying and harrasing new editors based on his nationalist rhetoric. I was not involved in any sort of POV pushing from this account, rather it is MBlaze Lightning who is involved in POV pushing on Research and Analysis Wing and Indo-Pak 1965 war articles. I haven`t launched any attacks what so ever on any other users, though I do admit that I did get involved in conflict with MBlaze Lightning because he was bullying another editor User:TalhaZubairButt, he claimed that I was his sock which I was not. I also kindly request you to kindly please consider my appology for my previous mistakes which I have committed due to my own ignorance, Thank youDelusionMBT (talk) 18:07, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dear User:Mike V & User: HighInBC I do wish to resume editing, and I also believe that I have learned from my previous mistakes and this can be reflected from the edits that I have made from this account this time and trying to reach a consensus before making the edits, 6 months is a very long period of time. I am still a novice as far as wikipedia is concerned otherwise I would have requested an unblock request from my previous accounts also the only article because of which I was involved in a conflict was of Hussain Haqqani and this time I didn`t do any edit warring and tried reaching a consensus before doing the edits, can the 6 month period please be reduced as its a very long period of time and I believe that I have suffered long enought and have matured up a bit in this time. Also is there anything else which I can do to make up for this which can help me to get back to be an editor on wikipedia? Thank you DelusionMBT (talk) 17:56, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

6 months is our standard offer. It is a courtesy way back we let people have. I see no reason to make a special offer for you, the standard offer is what everyone else gets. HighInBC 18:04, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
User:HighInBC Thank you for your offer, I am ready to put things right this time. Thank you DelusionMBT (talk) 18:10, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@DelusionMBT: Dude, you need to cool down. This is not the end of the world. There is a lot you can do without being a Wikipedia editor. Unfortunately, this is the only place you can request your unblock now. Cool down, take your time and let the admins take their time as well and admins say 6 months then its 6 months, watch movies, read books, spend time on social media, you can do a lot without being an editor so don't think that its an end of world.
@Bbb23, Tide rolls, and Drmies: I know HighInBC and Mike V already rejected his unblock request. Is there anything you can do about it if he promises to be sock-free. I see all of his accounts that he used, he did not use them at the same time so i don't think he influenced any consensus building process. All these accounts were used at different times. While clicking around, i have seen there are many editors who were given shorter blocks for the same violation, i will mention them if need be. I have seen an investigation where editor was given one week or two week block. I think six months will be harsh being that he did not know about this complete process. He might have accepted these user accounts if he was given a chance but i am sure he was thinking that CU will only match him with TalhaZubairButt which i was even sure that they are not the same. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 18:18, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Admins: Yes please, you can see from my records that I didn`t use any of my accounts at the same time or for that matter to influence any decisions you can kindly check them from the logs , I was not involved in a conflict except on Hussain Haqqani page, and this time I didn`t involve myself in edit warring on that page either as I had learned my lesson from my previous mistakes, had I have known that I can request an unblock from those accounts I would have certainly done that. Some of these accounts merely existed because I forgot their passwords. As for GreenBeret65 and AlkHalidMBT (I made it recently) I knew about them, but I am not denying that I didn`t do anything wrong, of course what I did was wrong and unacceptable but please some it was rather casual and unintentional because of my own ignorance and lack of experience. Kindly see if I can be given less harsher punishments as I promise to be sock free (also I was not completely aware of the meaning of sock) from now on. DelusionMBT (talk) 18:28, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This is highly ridiculous. The user opened DelusionMBT and AlkhalidMBT accounts within an hour of each other, and he was operating these two accounts simultaneously, while pleading his innocence with all of us. And, his old accounts VisionHawk and GreenBeret65 were also opened essentially at the same time, and he was operating both of them until he was blocked on 16 January. Since the blocks were not fully documented, I didn't quite know what was happening. But, now that I have checked, he has always been using two accounts to attack the Husain Haqqani and Islamic Military Alliance pages. This is by no means good behaviour, and no way can it be condoned or looked upon as an honest mistake. I would say he should sit it out for six years, not six months, and even if he is let back in, he should be permanently banned from going anywhere near Husain Haqqani and Islamic Military Alliance pages. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:20, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Admins: Dear User:Kautilya3 & User:SheriffIsInTown yes I made the two accounts because I didn`t know that I cannot own more than two accounts simultaneously. I made AlKhalidMBT specifically for editing Islamic Military Alliance where I was not involved in any sort of edit war or violations, also by no means I am justifying my behaviour or claiming that it is a good behaviour or for that matter a good practise my understanding of sock puppetry was different (which was totally wrong) as I didn`t find it objectionable to own two accounts. Also I am quite sure that I didn`t operate the two accounts simultaneously. I didn`t use the AlKhalidMBT to edit Hussain Haqqani article or to influence my edits from DelusionMBT in any way. The reason I switched to GreenBeret65 from VisionHawk was because I forgot the password of VisionHawk account also I didn`t link VisionHawk with an email so I couldn`t recover its password after I have forgotten it, you can see when was the last time I logged into VisionHawk and you will find that I am telling the truth. GreenBeret65 was blocked but I didn`t know how to appeal against the block so I made a new account (the current one) and from this account I didn`t repeat the mistakes which I have done before like edit warring or violating the 3 revert rule etc. All along the way I gained more experience and understanding of how things work. Though this time User: MBlaze Lightning blamed me as a sock of some unknown guy which he apparently has been bullying for quite some time, I pleaded my innocence and even after the investigation it was proved that I wasn`t his sock. Also it must be taken into account that from this account I didn`t violate any of the Wikipedia policies and tried my best to follow all the rules which can be seen from my edits. It must also be taken into account that I asked the reason for my block on the talk page of GreenBeret65but obviously due to my ignorance and being a novice Wikipedia user I wasn`t able to request an unblock. As for my mistake I promise to be sock free from now on. Thank you & have a great day DelusionMBT (talk) 19:49, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ok, I can see that you stopped using VisionHawk when you opened the GreenBeret65 account. That is a plus. DoRD didn't tell you why you were getting blocked. But since the two accounts were blocked at the same time (16 January), we can assume that it was for socking. But, he also might have found your editing of Husain Haqqani troublesome, because you were edit-warring and asking me to get the approval of Mansoor Ijaz [1], who had a conflict of interest with the page. Eventually, Drmies had to come over and spend his valuable time on cleaning up the page.
  • Your two new accounts, DelusionMBT and AlKhalidMBT were not used to edit the same pages. So it is not strictly abuse of multiple accounts. That is another plus.
  • However, your effort to create the DelusionMBT account without clearing up the block of GreenBeret65 constitutes WP:Block evasion. That is a negative.
  • Your latest edit of the Husain Haqqani page [2] has all the old problems, whitewashing the military and trying to make Haqqani look like the culprit. I don't think you can edit this page with a neutral frame of mind, we need you to stay away from this page. You can be required to do so under the ARBIPA sanctions, of which you have been made aware multiple times.
  • I am requesting DoRD to tell you what you need to do. - Kautilya3 (talk) 20:36, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
On the issue of not knowing about the bar on sockpuppetry, I have posed a welcome message to you when you opened this account, which says "no sockpuppetry," and if you clicked on that link, you would have known that you were not supposed to operate multiple accounts. Even otherwise, once an SPI has been opened against you, you could have learnt about what it meant and revealed your multiple accounts at the investigation. Instead your reaction was to rant against the filer with words such as these: All I can say is shame on MBlaze Lightning, I am all set for investigation though if no relation is proved between me and TalhaZubairButt (who ever he may be) then it would surely prove one thing that MBlaze Lightening is a bigot and surely deserves to be banned. This clearly doesn't indicate any transparency and collaborative behaviour on your part. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 03:15, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Query[edit]

User:SheriffIsInTown Are you by any chance a GIKI grad?

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