User talk:Dataman5

Welcome[edit]

Welcome!

Welcome to Wikipedia! Your contributions to the Dissociative identity disorder article are greatly appreciated. You seem to be getting around fairly well already and I hope you stay around, we can use you. If you need help with the wiki markup, my personal favorite is Wiki Cheatsheet and it looks like you already have the {{cite_book}} template figured out, there are other such templates for journals, news, etc. One other thing is that you can put a name in your <ref> tags, so you don't have to have the entire {{cite}} each time, like I did here. The only problem with that is if you want to specify the specific pages in the book, I think it still requires a separate citation. Below are some other links that might be useful (some are the basic "Welcome to Wikipedia" pages).

The five pillars of Wikipedia
Tutorial
How to edit a page
How to write a great article
Manual of Style
Manual of Style (medicine-related articles) -- this is the layout that the DID article adheres to (or should)

Be sure and sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page and I'll help you if I can (I'm still a bit green here as well), or ask your question and then place {{helpme}} before the question on your talk page.

The history section of the DID article has been terrible and has a long way to go. I intend on getting some of the articles sourced in that section to check them, even though that may be considered a violation of WP:AGF. We also have to be careful to follow WP:NPOV. But I'm very glad for your contributions!! :) --Daniel Santos (talk) 21:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to hear from you too. It will be nice working with you.Dataman5 (talk) 03:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Psychogenic amnesia[edit]

Hi,

Thanks for finding and adding the medical source. Note that though the templates do indeed contain a section for quotations, it is only usually used in the case of a very controversial quotation or when the exact wording is important; it's unusual enough to see them that I normally remove quotations on site, irrepsective of body text or references section, and I've seen others do so citing WP:UNDUE.

You might be interested in some of the following:

Citation templates, which I think you've already found
Reference generator
pubmed/isbn template generator, incredibly handy, just requres the ISBN or pubmed number. Excellent tool!
Google scholar autocitation, also good, especially for non-medical references
tools, general tools

I've also written an essay for relative newcomers, User:WLU/Generic sandbox, which might interest you. WLU (talk) 17:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the tips. I look forward to working with you. Dataman5 (talk) 03:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, just a note to say I removed your most recent addition to psychogenic amnesia - the condition is a medical and psychological one; though there may be a place for that comment in the article, I don't see it, and I think it should be discussed on the talk page if you think it merits a mention. WLU (talk) 19:41, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note. Will need to think this through further.Dataman5 (talk) 03:14, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Regards this edit, you've linked a pubmed abstract as a url. This does indeed work, but wikipedia allows for pubmed numbers to be used alone. In the next edit, I've corrected the template to use the pmid field instead. All the NIH/pubmed abstracts I've seen have a pubmed number at the bottom, and if you plug it into diberri (above, but here is the link again) it will generate the template for you in about 5 seconds. In this case, the pubmed number is also found in the url you attached. Quicker, and always neat. Also note that you're leaving spaces between the period and reference template. ^{[like this]} It's not standard, and correcting as you put references in spares other editors (like me) from having to fix it later. Standard is period, no space, reference. Thanks, WLU (talk) 16:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ideas. Will try to leave the spaces out.Dataman5 (talk) 05:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DID[edit]

Hi,

Regards dissociative identity disorder, it is a recognized medical condition, which means on wikipedia it falls under two addition sub-policies for articles on medical matters. The first is WP:MEDRS, which is about the kind of sources appropriate for medical pages. The articles should, particularly for the body, diagnosis, pathophysiology, and basically everywhere but the history/pop culture section, be pubmed or comparable medical journals - the article you are adding from newsweek is considered 'popular', which are generally seen as to do a poorer job of discussing medical conditions and advances, if not outright incorrectly portraying the disorder and any treatment. The second is WP:MEDMOS - it's less pertinant as the article has already been re-formatted in this style, but it's still good to know about. Also note that the lead should summarize the body of the article and contain only the most salient points, not specifics about whether DID and MPD are different entities (referring to this edit). That more properly belongs in the body, if the discussion can be found in a reliable source - web pages, if used, must be of very notable individuals, and even so it is preferred to source the articles they have published in peer-reviewed journals over personal web pages. As a final point, the inclusions of quotations, even though templates have an entry space for them, is mostly deprecated and is used quite rarely. I've seen the policy of WP:UNDUE cited, though I can't guarantee that it's the best one to cite. And as the actual final point, some of the links you have added in the external links section are more suitable as sources. WP:EL states that links are to be kept to a minimum of the most useful, and articles which could be sources (or just popular press articles) aren't really appropriate either. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions, my talk page is here. WLU (talk) 22:04, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the above links. Please see the talk page for further comments.Dataman5 (talk)

Half a barnstar![edit]

		The Half Barnstar
		For excellent, paitient, and collaborative work to build consensus on the dissociative identity disorder page, I hearby award to Dataman5 this Left Half of the Cooperation Barnstar. Huzzah! WLU (talk) 17:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the half barnstar.Dataman5 (talk) 03:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spacing[edit]

Please put a space between references and a new sentence or following word.Otherwise the sentences run together.Obviously this is incorrect.WLU (talk) 03:48, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, will do.Dataman5 (talk) 20:03, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spacingisstilloffpleasewatch. Also note that WP:MEDRS applies to psychogenic amnesia - only the most reliable sources are appropriate. Further, the section you added information to is about treatment of psychogenic amnesia, not about how treatment can't produce psychogenic amnesia. I'm trying to integrate elsewhere. WLU (talk) 03:05, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can't figure out a place for it - the information you added could be used in psychotherapy perhaps, but really does not seem appropriate in treatment of psychogenic amnesia - essentially saying it's not an outcome of a therapy. It looks out of place - recovering memory is the opposite of amnesia, which is why the study should be discussed on that page rather than PA. Note that Psychogenic_amnesia#Risk_factors does cover this in a way. Also, that's not really 'some studies', it's a single study, plus Chu, and the Albach/Dissociation study should not be cited on the page. WLU (talk) 03:11, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, will work on the spacing.Dataman5 (talk) 02:00, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]