User talk:D.Papuashvili

If I may say so, welcome to Wikipedia. Your contributions to Tbilisi so far are looking excellent, and they're certainly much-needed - we have all too few people interested in Georgia, and even fewer who know what they're talking about and have access to decent resources on the topic. If I can help with anything, feel free to contact me on my talk page. Ambi 10:09, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

You've got the hang of talk pages just fine. While I'm here, though - you can sign your username by typing four ~~~~ characters. Ambi 10:51, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

OK, cool. D.Papuashvili 10:56, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

BTW, what exactly do you do at Wikipedia? D.Papuashvili 10:59, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

What do you mean? Ambi 10:00, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Nothing, I read your profile yesterday which said something about you being a member on some type of supervisory board or something along those lines. D.Papuashvili 11:34, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

You've improved that article so much in just a couple of weeks - it really is looking so much better. I've just got a few suggestions though. Would you consider creating History of Tbilisi? There's a lot of history information in the main Tbilisi article, and some of this might be able to be moved to a seperate article; it seems like you've got the knowledge to create what could be an excellent history article.

Secondly, we don't really tend to have "photo gallery" sections in an article; if possible, would you be able to just pick the best ones to use in the article, and then if there's any left over, just add them to Wikimedia Commons (the Wikipedia photo repository). You might be able to find a home for some of these by creating sub-articles, such as for Rustaveli Avenue, Ananuri Fortress, Vake and the Dry Bridge.

Thirdly, I'm not sure if you've heard of it, and I'm not sure if you're interested, but we have a process of selecting featured articles, which are our very best articles, and I think this is well on the way to being one. It'd just be nice to have a little bit more information about things like the city's government, transport, education, economy, sports, media and such. Some of the already-featured articles (like Sarajevo) may be a handy guide to use if you're interested. In any case, I hope you'll keep up the good work. :) Ambi 17:19, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi Beck. Thanks for the compliments:). I have not had as much time recently to work on this article but I do have most of the information about Tbilisi which you mentioned above. In any case, I can make the recommended changes, but it might take me a couple of weeks. D.Papuashvili 08:10, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Image:Elbrus2.jpg

Hi. You are the uploader of this image and you claim that the copyright owner allows it to be used for any purpose. I cannot find such a statement pertaining to this photo on the Peakware site. Did you contact the owner? RedWolf 17:07, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi RedWolf. How are you? I have not contacted the owner of that website and therefore marked the picture with a general Wikipedia copyright tag. The reason I marked it with this copyright tag is because the image Image:Elbrus2.jpg is a public library image of that website and I did not find any additional copyright tags on the wikipedia upload site to classify this image with a different copyright. If the abovementioned image does not fit the copyright description which I used, then I'm fine with it being removed from the Caucasus Mountains web page. I just wanted to include an official image of Mt. Elbrus on the Caucasus Mountains Wikipedia page so that people have a better graphical image of what the mountain looks like. Anyway, I live pretty close to Elbrus so I can probably take a picture of the mountain on my own the next time:).

On another note, I'm new to Wikipedia and wanted to ask you a question regarding the image copyrights because I uploaded quite a few of my images recently. The thing is, I also uploaded the Tbilisi city flag on the Tbilisi page with an incorrect image label, which I tried to change to the official city emblem copyright, but was not able to do so. Can someone assist me in converting the image label or do you know how to do this? Also, I wanted to know if Wikipedia has an image copyright which gives the copyright holder the right not to release all of the copyright holder's rights to other users. This would probably be much more acceptable than having to release all of the copyright holder's rights to others (especially when it comes to others modifying a particular image for any purpose). If you could let me know, I would appreciate it very much. D.Papuashvili 08:06, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Russian point of view in the article about Georgia

Dear Mr. Papuashvili: Please have a look at the article Georgia. On November 18, 2005 User:Ben-Velvel has changed the history of the incorporation of Georgia into Russia. Now it reads as if Georgia wanted to be incorporated, and the Russian tsar was a helpful man. We have the same problem with a Russian-Ukrainian user in the German Wikipedia. He also tries to change history in the old Soviet/new Russian point of view. Not easy to argue because he says the English Wikipedia would support his opinion. Maybe you can correct what Ben-Velvel has written. -- 87.123.98.191 15:36, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

To whom it may concern: Thank you for your message. I looked at the Georgia page and noticed that the section on the Russian annexation does cover some of the fundamental aspects and facts, but it completely skips or ignores other important historical facts where Russia was responsible for Georgia's annexation. Other important details are also excluded such as the fact that the Communists (Soviets) actually gave up Ajaria to Turkey and that the only reason the region was re-incorporated back into Georgia (after 1921) was because of the bravery of the local Ajarians and not the Communist state. The reason I mentioned this is because my great-grandfather was the military governor of Batumi (former Russian White Army General) who was defending the region when the Soviets gave the territory up.

Anyway, I can add a more detailed account of the history section probably within several days. If I can help in any other way, let me know. D.Papuashvili 16:55, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you very much indeed :) I read about the bravery of the Georgian white troops in Batumi who stopped the Turkish invasion, and I know that the Red Army didn't want to fight the invadors in 1921. By the way: I used your image:Rustaveli Ave.jpg for the articles de:Rustaweli-Boulevard and de:Tiflis#Kultur, and the image:Narikala.jpg in an article about de:Narikala -- User:ChrisM, German Wikipedia 09:49, 30 November 2005

No problem:). You can use any one of the images that I uploaded to Wikipedia. I looked at the German articles on Georgia and I have to say that they are significantly better (and richer in content) than the English articles. The German Wikipedia seems to have articles on places and persons that are not even mentioned in the English version of the encyclopedia. I also wanted to ask you, Tbilisi in German is usually called or referenced as "Tiflis". Is this because of the Russian influence or is this the accepted German name for the city? I think most of the Germans in Georgia call the city Tbilisi, but outside of Georgia (for instance in the U.S.), the city is sometimes called Tiflis. On another subject, if you need some pictures of Tbilisi for future use (if you're editing from outside of Georgia), let me know and I can probably take them over the weekends. The first picture of Tbilisi in the German Wikipedia depicts a picture of the old Hotel Iveria when the displaced persons from Abkhazia were still living in the hotel:). This hotel has been demolished for quite some time now:).

D.Papuashvili 07:23, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Please excuse me that i didn't answer for nearly a fortnight. Thank you for your kind words about the German Wikipedia :) I know that almost everyone in the world says "Tbilisi". But here in Germany the tsarist expression "Tiflis" is common since more than 100 years. In the GDR it became common to say "Tbilisi" due to soviet influence. But after the reunification of our country in 1990 western expressions dominated. Thank you for the kind offer to take photos of Tbilisi and publish them in the German Wikipedia. The articles de:Pantheon (Tiflis), de:Staatliche Universität Tiflis, de:Botanischer Garten Tiflis or de:Bäderviertel (Tiflis) badly need new pictures. If you have a better panorama picture without the Iveria hotel we can change it easily in de:Tiflis. Unfortunately, this sounds like real work. Maybe you should charge it to the Georgian tourist authority ;) -- ChrisM, German Wikipedia 15:47, 16 December 2005

May I offer for compensation: If you are going to write an article about Georgia in the English Wikipedia I would be happy to translate it for the German Wikipedia. Just give me a hint in my user talk. Best wishes -- ChrisM, German Wikipedia 10:25, 17 December 2005

Chris, your offer sounds good to me:). BTW, my name is David for future reference. I took some pictures of Tbilisi today and uploaded them to Wikipedia with a GFDL license (which should make these images available to all who want to use them). The names of the images are: tbilisi_view3.jpg, Tbilisi_Bathhouse1.jpg, Tbilisi_Bathhouse2.jpg, and Tbilisi_Bathhouse3.jpg. I also took the pictures of the Tbilisi pantheon today but I have not uploaded those yet (I will probably do that tomorrow). I'm going to take the remaining pictures in the coming days. I apologize for the amount of cars that you'll see in some of these pictures but there was a lot of traffic today, and I couldn't get clear shots of the buildings:). If you have any questions or trouble with opening up the pictures, let me know. D.Papuashvili 21:04, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi David, I'd like to wish u a happy New Year too. Don't you worry about the photos of Mtatsminda Pantheon. Take your time to upload them. Unfortunately we can't use the promotional photos of georgiawelcomesusa.com for the German Wikipedia. Here [1] is written that the pictures "may not be used to create commercial products". But exactly this condition must be fulfilled in the German Wikipedia to publish them :( However, I prefer your photos to the professional ones. Thank you very much for the contributions that you have made already. ChrisM, German Wikipedia 11:56 (CET), 1 January 2006

Statistics

We used to have them a year or two ago, but I just asked a few people, and I believe they were taken offline some ago and haven't returned. I'm sorry I couldn't be of more help. Ambi 12:27, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I just noticed that you edited Amtsakhara - is there any chance you might be able to update the article? It's badly out of date, and I haven't been paying such close attention to news in a while, so I'm not sure I'd be able to fix it. Ambi 12:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I'll see if I can find new information about Amtsakhara. I just corrected the spelling and the link of "Aitaira." Aitaira ("Agordzineba" in Georgian) is a common name for political parties both in Abkhazia and Ajaria . D.Papuashvili 12:36, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know about the stats.D.Papuashvili 12:38, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi David, thanks for letting me know. The article on Georgian people needs serious revision. I'm currently mostly making minor edits until I find enough time to discuss that issue. I would be happy to cooperate with you on the article, if you wish. Kober 21:28, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Georgian writer

Hi, I was looking for an administrator from Georgia. Not sure you are one but meseems you fit the role. I noticed that the page Mikho Mosulishvili is indeed an autobiography by User:Mikho Mosulishvili. This user has also made some questionable edits and I very much doubt if this person is significant enough to be included in Wikipedia. Your comments are welcome. MarkBeer 01:46, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Thank you for your comments. I'm not an administrator but I did look at that user's page. It looks like an online CV to me:). As to whether he should be included in Wikipedia, I have never heard of that person or had any contact with him within Wikipedia, so I really do not have an opinion. Hope this helps. D.Papuashvili 13:37, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi David, davicke statiis momzadeba abhazetis samtavroze... vcdilob movidzio ucxouri ckaroebic... albat male gamovnaxav dros, rom davasrulo. droebit. Kober 15:26, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Kober. me shevitan sharvashidzeebze ramodenime statias an dges an shabats. D.Papuashvili 06:14, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi David. ori dgis cin davasrule abhazetis samtavroze Principality of Abkhazia mushaoba. moxaruli viknebi tu raime shenishvna an rcheva geknebat. Kober 14:07, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

David, gmadlobt gamoxmaurebistvis. gegmashi ufro metic mkonda, magram samcukarot mec zalian shezguduli var droshi. am dros ki am enciklopediis gverdebze namdvili omia abxazetis irgvliv. gisurvebt carmatebebs Kober 17:01, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Tbilisi

Gaumarjos David, rogor xar? shenma cvlilebebma tbilisis gverdi imdenad gaaumjobesa, rom mgoni vuaxlovdebit imas rasac wiki "featured article"-s ucodebs. mgoni kargi iqneba tu istoriis seqcias cota shevamoklebt da calke statias shevkmnit "History of Tbilisi". qalaqis oficialuri web-gverdi karga xania "under construction" mdgomareobashia da faqtiurad ufuncqioa. iqneb shegvevso es statia ufro meti administraciis, kulturis, turizmis, samzareulos, night life, etc informaciit. qalaqis logo rogorgac movipove, magram cudi xarisxisaa. mainc avtvirte... am saitze references-bze gartuleba aqvt :)) da ragaceebs mivamateb. droebit, Kober 19:14, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

P.S. tbilisis shesaxeb saubari shegvizlia iqaur talk-gverdze gavagrzelot. albat jobia inglisurad, rom sxvebmac ragac cvlili sheitanon statiaze mushaobashi:)).

Zalian kargi, David. shevecdebi istoriis seqciis summarizacias, da sxva informaciebis moziebas. internetshi vipove qalaqis detaluri ruka/gegma da satelituri foto, orive pulic domain-shia da ukve ganvatavse aq. mindoda metropolitenis sqemis damatebac, magram yvela saavtoro uflebitaa daculi. zalian cudia, rom amxela qalaqs aseti mciri resursebi aqvs internetshi. erevnis metrosac ki aqvs tavisi website :))Kober 10:57, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Georgia

Howdy, David. I was suggested here to create a wiki portal on Georgia. I posted a proposal at Wikipedia:Portal/Proposals though I'm not exactly sure of how it should be created at this point. If you support the idea, please vote at this entry. Thanks,Kober 18:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

gmadlob david. shegizlia givi damizaxo:). zalian kargi. mindoda rom gagveumjobesebina tbilisis da ajaris gverdebi (zogs aq ajarlebi sxva etnikuri jgupi gonia). zalian kargi iqneboda tu ajaris geograpiaze (rogorc vxvdebi es sheni speroa:)) rames daamatebdi. shemdeg rogorc ki dro mekneba, minda davubrunde qartvel meppebs da daaxloebit aseti saxe Bagrat III of Georgia/George I of Georgia mivce matze statiebs. aba droebit, Kober 05:31, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Tbilisi images

Hi ! I'm Der schöne Tod, an user from the Spanish Wikipedia. I'm the author of many articles related to Georgia on the spanish wiki ^^. You've uploaded a lot of nice pictures of Tbilisi on this wiki but, could you upload them to Commons? I will be very pleased to put them to ilustrate the georgian-related articles on the spanish wiki ^^

Please answer me on my discussion page (.es wiki)

See ya!

Image copyright problem with Image:Elbrus2.jpg

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I see you have been contacted about this image before. If the copyright holder (which appears to be Peakware) is indeed willing to license this image under a free license, then there's no problem using this image on Wikipedia, but we need some evidence that the copyright holder has licensed it in this way, because I can't see anything about such a free license on the Peakware site. If you live near Elbrus, then the best solution would be for you to take a picture yourself and license it under a free license. That way we are certain to have no problems. Let me know if you have any questions. —Bkell (talk) 03:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

New Mainpage on Georgian Wiki

Gagimarjos! Could you please take a look at the proposed new mainpage options for Georgian Wikipedia here: ka:ვიკიპედია:მთავარი გვერდის ვარიანტები and post your opinion, suggestions, and your preference. We desperately need more votes and publicity. Would very much appreciate. - Alsandro 14:32, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey David. Welcome back! Please check Portal:Georgia. Tell me what do you think about it. Take care, --Kober 17:02, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey Givi. How's it going? Good to hear from you. I'm sorry I wasn't able to edit for a while. I had a lot of things to do and didn't even have the chance to browse the new additions to Wikipedia. The Portal:Georgia looks great! D.Papuashvili 17:06, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, David. I just thought you might be interested in this discussion Talk:Georgia (country)#Requested move - July 2006. The issue is whether to rename Georgia (country) to Georgia or not. Cheers, --Kober 07:44, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

დავით: დიდი მადლობა შეფასებისთვის და არჩევანისთვის. - Alsandro · T · w:ka: Th · T 18:03, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Images

Dear David. You may use all photos which i uploaded. :) good job on Caucasus. Thanks. Ldingley 17:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

David, im not sure how Georgians have same genetic makeup as Chechens, Ingush, Circassians and Abkhaz have. As I know, Kartvelians (Ibero-Caucasians) don’t have anything in common with their north Caucasian neighbours (as DNA is concerned). Georgians share genes with Laz, Chans, and as I know Bats/Kist people. Study has revealed that Armenians and Azeris have similar DNA with Caucasians rather than with Turks or Indo-European people (whose language group they belong). Georgians are very much unique in that sense. They don’t have common roots with any family. The talk of having common roots with the Basque (Euskal) or Corsican (Corsa) is beyond reality. I understand the need among Georgians to identify themselves with the other group of people. But they are isolated ethnic group (just like Basque) without traces of common origins with any other groups around or far away. The language group of Ibero-Caucasian ah unparallel uniqueness about its origins, structure and development as high literary language (unlike N Caucasian which is completely undeveloped and can not be considered as richly literate language). However, Georgians do share some origins with Armenians (although both are far from each other ethnically), which is something to be proud of. But Georgians are very much unique nation with completely independent ethnical identity, language and writing. You may find very few nations of earth with some description. Therefore, I would not place them under the notion of common origins with North Caucasians. N Caucasians can’t even come close to what Georgia has achieved. They lack so many essential part of statesmanship which Georgians have engraved in their culture. David i need som einfo about Sameba. Where can I find it? Thanks Ldingley 22:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi luis, thank you for the response. I tried to look up detailed info on the Sameba Cathedral but I'm not even sure if there's any descriptive information on the Internet about this Church. I'll try to perform some more searches about the topic and will let you know if I find anything usefull. Regarding the Georgian roots, I had not heard of the DNA analysis of the Georgian genes:) so I'm really not aware of any facts or conclusions on that subject. Do you have information on the topic or any links on the Internet which I could use? I agree with you completely about the Georgian legacy and its influence on the North Caucasus (and the entire Caucasus Region). You can even see it in the names of some of the North Caucasian regions such as Oseti(a) or Ignusheti(a). I also agree with you about Georgia's uniqueness in the sense that this nation is in a cultural family of its own. I couldn't tell you about the Basque and the Corsican hypothesis because I simply have not seen much credible evidence that supports this theory. What I know though is that some Basque names and words are very close to Georgian words. For instance, the towns of Bedia and Basauri (Biscay/Biscaya Province of the Basque Country) have exact counterparts (namewise) in Georgia as well. The last names of Getsulaya, Anaya or Ibarruri can be compared to the Georgian last names of Pantsulaya, Sanaya and Khubuluri. There are numerous other comparisons, similar to those which I mentioned above but I'm not sure what else the Basques and Georgians have in common, since I'm not an expert on the subject:). I do believe though that Georgia's closest relatives are the people of the North Caucasus (i.e. other Ibero-Caucasian Peoples). According to several books and sources which I read recently, South Caucasian and North Caucasian peoples are linked together by a common base (if not genetical:), at least this common base can be considered to be cultural and social). Even the Georgian Soviet Encyclopedia, which was published in the 1980's and strongly dennounced the national identities of various cultures and ethnic groups, mentions that the North and South Caucasian peoples are related. As an example, even if we compare the Georgian and Cherkez cultures, the dances that the Cherkez have are very similar (if not identical) to many Georgian dances. The "Chokhas" (traditional dresses) that people wear both in Georgia and in the North Caucasus are nearly identical as well. I really don't think that all North Caucasians could've simply adopted the Chokhas from the Georgians over the centuries. Other things to look at are probably the singing styles of these peoples. Anyway, I've written a long enough comment as it is already:), so this is all I can say about the subject for now. Take care, D.Papuashvili 17:18, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Invitation to join Wikipedia:WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy

Hi there! I've noticed that you've edited articles pertaining to the Eastern Orthodox Church. I wanted to extend an invitation to you to join the WikiProject dedicated to organizing and improving articles on the subject, which can be found at: WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy. This WikiProject was begun because a need was perceived to raise the level of quality of articles on Wikipedia which deal with the Eastern Orthodox Church.

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Hi

Mr Papuashvili, great work on Abkhazia related articles. You should also add things to Ethnic cleansing of Georgians in Abkhazia and Georgian-Abkhaz conflict. Thanks again. Ldingley 16:40, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I included the horror of gagra in the article. Im adding more things as i go :) Ldingley 17:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Tbilisi View.jpg

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Gaumarjos David!

I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! --Kober 09:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Givi. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you too! How have you been? D.Papuashvili 09:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Some help with Georgian

Unfortunately not one of the languages I know, so I'd be pleased if you could help us out on the translation pages with two articles, Abasha (town) and the end of Sakartvelos Skauturi Modzraobis Organizatsia. If you don't have time yourself to do them, could you please ask someone else to? I'd greatly appreciate it! Thanks! -Yupik 17:04, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Shekitxva "4 Georgian writer"-is shesaxeb...

Batono Davit, me kargad ar vici, ratom ar moewona shekitxvis damsmel "MarkBeer"-s chemi gverdi, arc is vici, ratom mogagonat tqven CV...

magram umorchilesad gtxovt gaecnot chems gverds | qartul Wikipediashi, an rusulshi... da tu gaecnobit, iqneb amixsnat, ratom ar moewonat is gverdi? xom ar sjobia, rom statia tqventan shevatanxmo jer?

Pativiscemit, Mikho Mosulishvili

Georgia WikiProject

Please check out the discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Georgia_.28country.29 Chris 03:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Deletion

A Georgia-related article is being considered for deletion. You might want to vote. [2] Edrigu 16:00, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Kudos!

Good job on Kashveti Church. The article was long overdue. How have you been, David? --Kober^Talk 17:20, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey Givi. Thanks for the compliments. I'm fine but am very busy right now and don't have a lot of time for editing Wikipedia. How are things going with you? I will try to edit some of the articles, mainly on the weekends. I was looking at the Tbilisi page and it needs some modifications. There are excessive amounts of pictures and galleries on that page, including the ones that I uploaded earlier. I might change that in the near future. D.Papuashvili 06:05, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Can you also vote on the page of Soso to be unblocked?--Tones benefit 14:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity

Hello D.Papuashvili!

You are cordially invited to participate in WikiProject Christianity The goal of WikiProject Christianity is to improve the quality and quantity of information about Christianity available on Wikipedia. WP:X as a group does not prefer any particular tradition or denominination of Christianity, but prefers that all Christian traditions are fairly and accurately represented.

You are receiving this invitation because you are a member of one of the related Christianity Projects and I thought that you might be interested in this project also - Tinucherian (talk) 03:52, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:Tbilisi Flag.gif

Hi. I was wondering if you could add the source information to this image. I would like to transfer it to Commons but the image source is required. Thanks! Malafaya (talk) 00:05, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Ethnic groups in Tbilisi

Hello, can you say why you delete my adding in this page. Does something wrong? Please explain me. --Hovik95 (talk) 02:21, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi, the reason for the deletion of the table is because it comes from a source in Russia published in 1990, which has to be checked and verified for accuracy by the way, and only includes the demographics of Tbilisi following the Russian annexation of Georgia. This is not an accurate ethnic table in the sense that Tbilisi underwent significant demographic changes in the early 1800's and does not really incorporate older demographic information and skews the demographic data, trying to portray the city with only having a Georgian minority, which is inaccurate. Again, similar tables have popped up recently on the Abkhazia and South Ossetia sites from analagous periods with clear-cut objectives, again trying to portray those regions with somehow having non-Georgian majorities which is incorrect. If you'd like to have this table incorporated into a separate page after the source is verified, that is fine, but not on the main Tbilisi page. D.Papuashvili (talk) 07:00, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Mount Kazbek

Hi, I have detailed maps of the Caucasus showing that the summit of Mount Kazbek is precisely on the border between Georgia and Russia. If you have verifiable evidence that they are incorrect, or that the border is disputed, please bring it to our attention. Otherwise, please stop pressing your unsourced claim. Viewfinder (talk) 10:39, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, the article Mt. Kazbek states explicitly, if I'm not mistaken, that the peak of the mountain lies within Georgia, and has the corresponding reference. If there is something wrong with that reference, then go ahead and remove it. On the other hand, there are some users from South Ossetia and possibly Russia who insist on using the map of North Ossetia for the geographic location of this mountain. I don't know if you are aware of what's even happening in the region here, but the Russians, together with their Ossetian counterparts are trying to claim their sovereignty on Mt. Kazbek and the adjacent Truso Gorge, and it is very important not to portray that mountain or the adjacent regions which are under Georgian jurisdiction as somehow being connected to Russia or Ossetia. So, again feel free to remove that source if you find it fallible in some way, shape or form, but also know this that the way that the Mt. Kazbek article has been edited recently has little to do with geography itself and is politically motivated. And, one more thing; before you call someone a nationalist, learn at least a little bit about the background of this region and some of the ongoing events that are happening in the area, before blindly making assumptions mate;).

D.Papuashvili (talk) 10:57, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

This is what the article, as last edited by you, states: Sakartvelos Geograpiuli Atlasi (Atlas of Georgia). Gia K'archkhadzis Gamomtsemloba, Tbilisi. 2006. p. 56. ISBN 99940-34-50-2. (All detailed maps, from the Soviet topographic maps of the 1970's to the publications of recent years clearly show this peak falling precisely on the boundary.) I am well aware of recent conflict between Georgia and Russia but I don't think you have provided sufficient evidence in support of your claim that Kazbek is wholly within Georgia, hence my "nationalist POV pushing" claim. Here is my source (Soviet, 1980s) [3]. What is the scale of your atlas? Can you supply the exact course of the border according to your atlas? If it is official, and contradicts mine, then, unless Russia recognises this course (which it appears not to), then WP should state that the summit is disputed. Viewfinder (talk) 11:35, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I double-checked a couple of other sources, and while the Georgian Soviet Encyclopedia states that the peak lies within the Kazbegi District of Georgia (present-day Stepantsminda district) under the articles of Mt. Kazbek (Mkinvartsveri in Georgian) and Kazbegi District, I looked up other maps that show the peak lies on the border. Nevertheless, that is no excuse for placing the mountain solely on the North Ossetian map, which could be used for political purposes (the map that is used on the Kazbek page resembles a political map instead of a physical map). I therefore suggest using a more inclusive, physical map that places Kazbek on the international boundary. This should make the page more neutral and hopefully avoid political overtones.

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ბატონო დავით, ამ რუკით რომ შევცვალოთ, რა აზრის ბრძანდებით?--Gaeser (talk) 18:48, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

gamarjobat, me principshi ar maqvs araferi sawinaagmdego am axali rukis mimart da tu apirebt rom shecvalot am rukit dzveli ruka memgoni cudi ar iqneba. droebit, D.Papuashvili (talk) 16:45, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

As this in English Wikipedia, please could the above comments be translated so that non-Georgians can benefit from them too. Thanks. Viewfinder (talk) 09:26, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

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Hi, please see the definition of topographic prominence used by English Wikipedia. If your "Georgian encyclopedia" states that the "prominence" of more than one mountain in the Caucasus is more than 3000 metres, then that encyclopedia must either be wrong, be using some other definition, or you have translated it incorrectly. Regards, Viewfinder (talk) 08:19, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I did review the definition of topographic prominence on Wikipedia and I have several comments. In the case of Kazbek, the lowest point when you descend immediately to the northeast from the mountain is around 1500 meters a.s.l in the Dariali Gorge before you get to a higher peak, which in this case, is Mount Shani. Therefore, correct me if I'm wrong, but the prominence of the mountain from this point should be close to 3500 meters. On the other hand, if you go west from Kazbek along the ridge of the Khokh Range (by using the 'key col' methodology), you first have to traverse Jimara and the adjacent Truso Gorge before you get to the ridge of the Greater Caucasus Mountain range. So if you travel west (and southwest) from Kazbek, the prominence will obviously be lower due to higher terrain. I'd like to know how (or if) you calculated the prominence of Kazbek to be approximately 2300 meters, because it is interesting. D.Papuashvili (talk) 10:24, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

If you follow the Georgia-Russia border west from Kazbek, you reach Shkhara without going any lower than Kumkh Pass, 2681 metres, located at N 42:36 E 44:04. From the definition of topographic prominence, it follows that if the height of Kazbek is 5033 metres, its prominence can be no higher than 2352 metres. Viewfinder (talk) 09:24, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't reply to you earlier. I was away from the Internet for a while. The Kumkh Pass? There is no mention of this pass on the Internet or on any physical map of the Caucasus that I know of. Instead of just providing the coordinates, please clarify in more detail where this pass is located.

What I'm referring to by topographic prominence is the absolute height of a mountain and, in the case of Kazbek, there should be no doubt that the absolute height of this mountain is over 3,000 meters no matter what convention you use. Also, I had a chance to look over the geography of North Ossetia and the highest mountain of North Ossetia (even according to Soviet sources) is Jimara and not Kazbek. Therefore, the only part of Kazbek that could potentially be considered to be in North Ossetia is the northwestern slope of the mountain and not the peak. There is no reason to suggest that this mountain is in North Ossetia. D.Papuashvili (talk) 09:21, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Geographic coordinates are sufficient. Topographic prominence is clearly defined by Wikipedia and by that definition the prominence of Kazbek is 2352 metres. If you think we should change that definition, take it up at Talk:Topographic_prominence. There is no such thing as "absolute height" of a mountain, height must always be relative to something. Regarding your specific claim about Kazbek, see Talk:Kazbek. Viewfinder (talk) 09:47, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

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Thank you! Great work yourself for all of the articles that you've created or contributed to on Wikipedia! D.Papuashvili (talk) 19:53, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

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Edit warring at Georgian alphabet

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Hi. Thank you for the comment. I don't think your warning is appropriate and I suggest that you warn the person/persons who denigrated the article on the Georgian alphabet, which now reads more like a marketing campaign of Armenian nationalists rather than a scholarly article. The text which I removed sounds like a delusion of certain individuals (most of which have already been blocked as editors on Wikipedia by the way) claiming that in one form or another, the Georgian alphabet is derived from its Armenian counterpart. Not only is this false and not based on actual facts, one of the intext citations makes an assertion that St. Nino was Armenian (???). This is a baseless and unfounded claim. I could make the same dubious claim that Saint Mesrob was Georgian, but that doesn't mean that I'm right. There have been numerous cases in the past where some have even portrayed Shota Rustaveli as Armenian, without providing any proof. Unfortunately, it seems that incorporating false and fabricated information is acceptable policy and incorporating blatant propaganda as a means to achieve a particular objective is more important than creating a genuine, scholarly article. This is something that Wikipedia really needs to pay attention to if it wants to achieve that status of a truly genuine encyclopedia. Cheers. D.Papuashvili (talk) 08:54, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

I stand by my earlier comments. If (as seems pretty clear) there is a difference of views on this portion of the article, the proper thing to do is to find reliable sources supporting each of the various positions, and then to mention them all — explaining to the reader, in a neutral fashion, where the controversy is and who claims what. Wikipedia's neutrality policy does not allow us to decide what "the truth" is, or to discard otherwise reliable sources simply because we do not agree with what they say. Dismissing a source which reliably presents a significant view, simply because we are sure it is incorrect — or even presenting material from such a source and then saying in an editorial manner that "we know" it is obviously false — violates numerous Wikipedia policies and is not permitted.

I say again: Present your concerns on the article's talk page. If you cannot get people to reach a consensus on how to present the various conflicting viewpoints, you can (and should) bring up the matter on one of the various "noticeboard" discussion pages — such as the reliable sources noticeboard or the neutral point of view noticeboard — and try to get others to consider the issues. But waging a one-man crusade to force people to see "the truth", in the face of everyone else who can't or won't acknowledge it, is not acceptable, and people who have tried to do this sort of thing in the past (in numerous subject areas all over Wikipedia) have been banished from the site. Please don't do this.

I am not taking a position on any of the subject matter here — I recognize that I do not know this subject well enough to have any legitimate, informed opinion on it — so please don't get the misimpression that I am fighting against you and for the people who are promoting a different view. The material currently in the article is supported by what appear to be reliable sources representing a mainstream viewpoint — but as I said, if you have reliable sources explaining an opposing view, or if you have compelling reasons to show that the existing sources are not in fact reliable (something more convincing that simply "it's obviously false propaganda"), then by all means please bring it up and let others examine it. But waging an edit war, no matter how good you believe your reasons are, is a recipe for certain failure here. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 18:24, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

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