User talk:Chita1234

Conflict of interest

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Re conflict of interest

Dear C fred, Thank you for your courtesy. I am writing about an artist photographer. His name is Emy Kat, There is no such affiliation. I merely writing an article with facts about the artist's life, career and achievements. Can you perhaps help to shed some light as to where you see a conflict of interest so I can better refine and improve the article. I appreciate your kind assistance.Emykat

The big indicator was the username. By naming yourself Emykat, it suggests that you are Kat. If you are not affiliated with Kat, you might consider changing your username to avoid the confusion. —C.Fred (talk) 03:52, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you C.Fred for drawing my attention, I have put in a request. Do you think perhaps it would be all together a better idea to create a new account ? I created this account for this article a while back and until I finish my research to start an article , so i called it with the same name of artist as a reference. I guess it was not such a good idea.Emykat

Thank you C.Fred, i see the user change to chita 1234, much obliged for your help, could you be so kind to remove the tag on the article of this may have "conflict of interest " ? thanks a million --♥Chita1234♥ (talk) 08:52, 27 November 2009 (UTC).

Thank you C.Fred. much obliged. Please do let me know of any tips or hints that you may have to improve on this article. --♥Chita1234♥' 17:01, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Clean up to article

The article Emy Kat has been proofed several times and the clean up tag has been removed --♥Chita1234♥ 15:18, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Copyrights

If I understand correctly, you say that you are not Emy Kat. Yet you say that you are the copyright holder of five images created by Mr. Kat: File:Emy Nudestudies-2000-Kat.jpg and File:Emy LaPass no1.jpg. Could you please explain how you came to be the copyright holder?   Will Beback  talk  20:21, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

As mentioned earlier, I created this account to write the article about Emy Kat and have been requested by the artist to add the images to the article. since the artist does not know how to upload, I helped him upload using this account by uploading the images with his permission and in a way on his behalf. Also, If you like or prefer, I could ask the artist to send you and email with this effect. Moreover, there was i believe an email in the past to wiki by the artist authorizing me to upload on his behalf the images to this article.Unless you prefer that the artist creates a separate account to upload the images ? I hope this clarifies. --♥Chita1234♥ 06:50, 16 April 2010 (UTC)   chita1234 

It's just that you wrote "I (Emy Kat) created this work entirely by myself."[1] That statement doesn't seem to make sense if you're not Emy Kat.

Also, please don't add links to other Wikipedia articles as if they were references. For more information on proper sources, see WP:V, WP:RS, and WP:CITE.   Will Beback  talk  07:21, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

You could assume that it is Emy Kat uploading his images using this account, therefore, it was better that he attest his own images, "I (Emy Kat) created this work entirely by myself."would you like him to send you an email to confirm that he is the copyright owner of those images ? I am also quite new to this and I have taken notes on your advise regarding sources, previously editors have asked to make a clean up and I did help clean up, can you check now and let me know if you approve? much obliged. --♥Chita1234♥ 08:02, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

That wouldn't be my first assumption in this circumstance.

As for references, Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable secondary sources. Those include publications like newspapers, magazines, and books. Self-published sources, like vanity-press books or blogs, may be used to a limited degree for basic biographical info like date of birth. Links to other Wikipedia articles do not qualify and adding them is unhelpful.   Will Beback  talk  08:10, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, i understand, it can confuse one. I hope now its clear ? or do you still need the artist to send you an email to confirm his copyright ? as for reference, I will take a stab at it again and will let you know once completed. what is your advise in DOB, shall i get a copy of a document that shows DOB from artist and send you ? or remove DOB ? what is your advise ? --♥Chita1234♥ 09:50, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Rather than stabbing at it, I suggest a more considered approach. Let's find all of the published secondary (and primary) sources available about the person and then summarize what they say. Material that doesn't appear in any published source should not be added. Fore example, if his date of birth is not published then showing me a scan of his birth certificate is not adequate. The material should be verifiable by any reader with access to the published references. If the subject has written a biography and printed it somewhere then we can use that as a source (I think I saw a one-paragraph bio in one of the links). But, as an example, the digital vs. film material should go unless he's written about that topic.   Will Beback  talk  20:10, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Please stop adding links to Wikipedia articles and calling them refernces. It's unhelpful.   Will Beback  talk  22:26, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Will, he is sighted as a notable alumni on that page and this is the Brooks institute page is has graduated from. What do you call these , citation ? not reference ? cheers. --♥Chita1234♥ 07:51, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

here is the link of where his name is mentioned, please et me know how would you prefer i do this. Thanks a million --♥Chita1234♥ 08:03, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

The biography already includes a link to the Brooks Institute, liked just like that. That's all that's necessary so far as linking the two pages goes. What we don't have is a verifiable source which actually says that he attended that school, along with sources that say he's work in London and Dubai, that his studio is in the 11th district of Paris, that he was born in 1959, etc. To repeat what I wrot4e above, what we need are some newspapers, magazines, or books, or even a self-published website, that have basic biographical information.   Will Beback  talk  19:06, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying further, I understood, I will link to website where he has a biography. The reason i am linking is that his name is on the page as a notable alumni, section 7 on the Brooks Institute page, the link takes you to that section , not every one that graduates gets to be listed there, its a good source that it states his name and the year of graduation. isn't that a source i need to link ? this is the link, see section 7 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Institute#Notable_alumni.2C_faculty.2C_and_students. I am not just linking the page with a reference, I am linking his notable alumni mention on that page. I hope i am able to clarify this for you. as for the rest, noted, I am able to link his official website of which has a biography. There is also website (galleries) of an exhibitions in Paris and Dubai, can i link those as references next to the name of Galleries mentioned on the page? such as Opera gallery.

On another note, and with respect to DOB, like i mentioned, I am writing about another artist Sarah Moon , she has 3 sources on the net with different DOB, she has no official website. Thanks a million for your help, guidance and patience.--♥Chita1234♥ 20:44, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Since you're the editor who added Kat to the Brooks article, that link isn't really significant in the scheme of things. If you look at the biographies of other notable graduates you won't see anyone else treating it as a reference. If Kat has a website of his own then that should be included first on the list of external links, and may also be added to the infobox.

As for Moon, I suggest you use a critical eye when deciding which sources to use. WP:BLP limits the use of blogs, for example.   Will Beback  talk  20:59, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

It now clear to me, well will, this is very interesting, I get an email from the artist saying that Brooks had given approval to add the name on the notable alumni list and asked me if i can add it, i did , and someone else modified what I added , they modified the format, does this not show at your end ? (I assumed its the editor of Brooks) and in the same time, as it happens to be, i get to see your message, saying section needs a source. I thought to link it. its logical, no ? so shall i do so ? and also link his bio on his official website?

Noted re DOB of Sarah Moon, I am in touch with one of the galleries in London that represent her, i am trying to get an image, they are putting all sort of restrictions and i am trying to tell them that if we post it on wiki , it must be free usage under creative commons license. its a dead end i think. I am still trying.They want me to put copyrighted material and a fine of so much sterling pounds if miss used. however, I will ask them if they can post her DOB on their website, they are one of the best galleries and reliable if they do post her DOB, thanks though will. --♥Chita1234♥ 21:46, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

The approval of the Brooks Institute is neither here nor there. If they maintain a list of graduates that's accessible then that would serve as a source for the entry, otherwise it's effectively meaningless. Again, sources must be verifiable which means they have to have been published in some form. Private correspondence is not verifiable. There was no need to ask their permission as they don't control the Wikipedia article.

As for Moon, there's no need to include an image in an article on an artist. An alternative is to link to a site that hosts images, or we can simply omit it entirely. I suggest you review WP:ARTIST before spending more time on it to make sure the individual would even qualify for inclusion. Even Kat is borderline.   Will Beback  talk  22:09, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Will, yes indeed, i did think the same until I understood from the artist that another editor tried in the past adding on the Brooks page the name and was removed instantly several times. That is true that they should not have control , in theory, in practice it was not true and in a way they only allow what they want until Emy Kat requested to be listed due to his high standing at the institute, this institute is considered from the very best 3 in the world. There is one in Pasadena in CA and one in Rochester in NY and Brooks. Emy Kat is a very unique artist. I admire his work. I am a lover of photography myself. Sarah Moon is also a great artist, I have researched both. They were selected as being of the best 600 contemporary artists photographers today by a very distinguished panel of jury that includes CHRISTIE'S, New York Tate and Sotheby's Institute of Art to name a few. here is a link of who chose the 600 hundred photographers : http://www.thephotopaper.com/partners.php, also check this weblink. http://www.thephotopaper.com/contents.php, see under photographers. Emy Kat is there, This is special issue, just out in April 2010, featuring the best today. I dont think he is borderline at all. I was planning to reference it. what do you think ? In fact i was surprised there is no article about them on wiki. Thanks again for your help and tip. --♥Chita1234♥ 22:49, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Have you read WP:ARTIST? Please do so before responding. Then please tell me how these two artists meet the criteria listed there.   Will Beback  talk  22:57, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Hello Will, yes i did read it, they do meet the criteria and worthy, that is why also i gave you links to check out .--♥Chita1234♥ 23:01, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

The links you provided don't mention anyone named "Moon", and you haven't answered my question about how these artists meet the very specific criteria at WP:ARTIST. I think we're going in circles here. The Kat article needs major improvement and I suggest you focus your attention there. Let's give it a week or so and then see if it clearly meets the standards for inclusion.   Will Beback  talk  23:06, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I see that this link, http://www.thephotopaper.com/photo.php, includes Kat in a list of photographers whose work they've published. That alone is not sufficient evidence of notability, and I still don't see Moon. From a quick spot check I can't find WP articles on any of the other photographers in that page. Even if they are included in a list of 600 living photographers, that isn't what the criteria is asking for either.   Will Beback  talk  23:12, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes this link is the list that mention Emy Kat, this list is the selection of 600 of the best today selected by a very distinguished panel of jury http://www.thephotopaper.com/contents.php , i just linked also his work as [art of a permanent collection at one of the best galleries in the world. Opera gallery. I will keep fine tuning the article and you could check it again. Sarah moon is one of the most sought after photographer today, she is in her 70's, you can see it here at M Hoppen Gallery in London http://www.michaelhoppengallery.com/artist,bio,1,55,0,0,0,0,0,0,biography_sarah_moon.html. --♥Chita1234♥ 23:27, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Take a week to make whatever improvements you can to the Kat article, and then we can let the broader community judge whether it meets the inclusion criteria.   Will Beback  talk  23:58, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Very well, thank you, will do. --♥Chita1234♥ 00:21, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Will, I am in the process of working on it, so if you see some changes , its not final. I have to admit perhaps i am not such a great editor like yourself and perhaps you can help me refine & improve this article with your experience. I have come across artists on wiki whom to be honest, cant even begin to compare to this artist or Sarah moon, and i very much doubt their meeting the very specific criteria at WP:ARTIST. yet the articles are there and no sign requesting clean up or any thing else. see this artist from Brooks , the same Institute, just for being featured in a digital magazine and shot with some model, moss ? who collects him ? what is his achievements ? digital retouching ? check this out : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Bizzaro , Emy Kat is published in major books and this Bizzaro artist has 1 image in a book. Do you like photography ? look if you have time at the work of Emy Kat , he has a fan page on face book, check it out. Perhaps you can help me make this article better to make sure we write about someone worthy of being in wiki as a notable artist. Thank you, Be well.--♥Chita1234♥ 01:34, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Dear will, I have done some work on the article Emy Kat and completed editing the article as per your recommendations. I am grateful that you have drawn my attention to help improve this article. I have to admit with your coaching, its looking much better. Please take a look and let me know if you have any comments. Thanks again and have an excellent day.--♥Chita1234♥ 16:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Citations

With rare exceptions, every citation should mention Kat. It's his biography. We don't need to learn about flash photography and we don't need a direct link to a model's personal website. Every positive assertion should either have a citation or be citable. Whatever is unverifiable should be left out. The only way to support an assertion like "he's well known for his use of motion" we would either need one source which says just that, or several sources that mention his use of motion. Also, some of the links in citations for awards don't seem to lead to the intended pages. I suggest we cut out most of the material on his style and leave it as a dry resume of his awards and other achievements with only a brief, direct quote or two about his approach to photography. I know that sounds boring, but encyclopedias are allowed to be boring.   Will Beback  talk  10:40, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

No worries ,understood and noted. i will attend to it. Thank you will. Sara Moon finally turned me down , she does not want to be part of wiki. Shame ,--♥Chita1234♥ 18:26, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

I have removed certain sentences as you have indicated.

Advertising and Creative Excellence. citation available on the photographer's site - under references. A letter signed by the president of Brooks Institute stating this. http://web.mac.com/emykat/Site_2/Emy_Kat_-_Reference_page_1.html#0http://web.mac.com/emykat/E_Kat_/Bio.html & the pdf downloadable doc http://web.mac.com/emykat/Site_2/Emy_Kat_-_Reference_page_1.html#0.

Magazine citations are from the photographer's web site under his bio. If you recall, you have advised me to use the artist website as a source Other citations for the same, are Images posted on the website - not from a models page- Those are images of the work that was published in magazines Fashion Editorial ( is work published in magazines) http://web.mac.com/emykat/E_Kat_/Editorial__Fashion.html Missoni Advertorial 97 , i linked to the images such as this one : http://web.mac.com/emykat/E_Kat_/Editorial__Fashion.html#6 There is also a reference of him being published in Vogue, a letter from Vogue signed by Anna Harvey, chief editor : http://web.mac.com/emykat/Site_2/Emy_Kat_-_Reference_page_1.html#2 For ELLE decor , its from his site : architecture & interiors : http://web.mac.com/emykat/E_Kat_/Architecture_%26_Interiors.html

Please verify it and let me know if i can use such references. I think they are authentic. I will work on the rest

--♥Chita1234♥ 21:50, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Note : Photographer website of Emy Kat moved from mac.com, you find the same content mentioned above under emykat@emykat.com --♥Chita1234♥ 09:41, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

OTRS permission

Mr. Kat - would you please consider using OTRS to prove permission for all of your uploads? That way we can prove that they are in fact yours, so that your images are never deleted (which at some point they probably would be). Magog the Ogre (talk) 20:06, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

I have come to the page to update few link related to the artist website, he has relocated domain/server/host. I have seen your note, I have a direct contact with Mr Kat via his website, where does he need to send an email or how does this OTRS work ? first time i see this myself to be honest, was not aware f it, is this new on wiki ? I tried reading about it, not sure i understand how it works. can you assist to shed more light on this ? shall I send an Mr Kat an email to ask him to send an email to anyone or a team at OTRS ?

i saw the OTRS ticket on one of the images Ticket link: [[2]]

do you have an OTRS account ? shall leave a word on the notice board and quote the link ? for example this black and white image [[3]] is permanent collection at opera Gallery and you can find it on their catalogue http://www.operagallery.com/catalogues/orientalism_dubai/cata.pdf thanks a million.--♥Chita1234♥ 22:20, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

No, none of that should be necessary. The steps to take are at Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission: we just need you to get an email from him verifying the license of the image, and then you send the email to us and we verify it. It shouldn't be too much more complicated than that, although I suggest taking a quick look at the link I just provided there. If you have any other questions let me know. Magog the Ogre (talk) 23:26, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

very well thank you Magog the Ogre. I could ask him to send this email , to whom ? just to confirm i understand, he should confirm the following images on this article to be his own as well as confirm the license of each of the below images as follows ? 1- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Emy_Nudestudies-2000-Kat.jpg This work is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License.2- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Emy_LaPass_no1.jpg This work is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported License.3- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EmyKat_Ames_No_12.jpg This work is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported License.Thank you --♥Chita1234♥ 13:21, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

or if you like and its faster, would you like to send him and email directly ? --♥Chita1234♥ 13:23, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

The artist has sent wiki an email and has forwarded the same to me . please let me know if you like me to forward the email to you. The content of the email is as follows :

Dear wikimedia [photo submission] and [permissions]

I am a photographer and this email is regarding submission & permission for 2 images [self work] that i created myself.

It has come to my attention by the editor Chita1234 who has written an article about me on wikipedia, that an editor at wiki namely Magog the Ogre is advising using OTRS to verify the license of the images in the article about me.

I confirm the following licenses bellow are acceptable by me for the 3 images in the article in wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emy_Kat

Image No 1- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Emy_Nudestudies-2000-Kat.jpg -This work is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License.

Image No 2- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Emy_LaPass_no1.jpg - This work is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported License.

Image No 3- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EmyKat_Ames_No_12.jpg - This work is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported License.

I hereby attest and confirm that i Emy Kat the full copyright holder to all the above three images and I take full legal responsibility for any legal or non legal issues that may arise and hereby release, discharge, and agree to save harmless wikipeida and its sister companies.

I also would like to confirm that I permit and authorize user Chita1234 to use them in the manner he choses under the same license.

Could you be so kind to accept this email submission for all the mentioned images,

Please feel free to let me know if you need further information or clarifications.

Kind regards Emy Kat

--♥Chita1234♥ 18:28, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Nothing else is needed between you and me; anything else will be handled by email between you and OTRS. Thanks so much for your time; it's much appreciated. Magog the Ogre (talk) 00:42, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

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