User talk:Cbustapeck

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Citing the demolition of a building?

You asked:

Regarding the request for a source regarding the demolition of Weizer Building (8935 Buckeye Road, Cleveland, Ohio):

I know that we're not supposed to be doing original research here. Fair enough. My statement that the building was demolished is just that - I've personally observed that the structure isn't there. Can you think of a way that I might cite this? --Christopher Busta-Peck | Talk 18:00, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Hey thanks for following up with me. There are a couple options. One good one, if you are local, is for you to take a photo of the site and upload the photograph. In general there is policy against using "Original research" (probably covered at wp:OR), but there is an important exception for photographs: we are allowed to add photos and use those to support specific assertions. E.g. you can say the building is painted red, as of 2011, or the building is gone. Editor Nyttend is very experienced with NRHP-listed articles and has uploaded photos of empty lots, documenting buildings being gone, in the past. (So I don't know why Nyttend didn't suggest that already; i am guessing Nyttend was pressed for time.) Another possibility is that there may have been mention of a fire or other demolition-related event, in a local newspaper. A local newspaper article is fine and reliable for something like this, and we don't have to have an online link to the article. Books and other print sources can be used in references. Can you find any online or offline mention of any of these buildings being gone? A further option is to contact the state office of historic preservation, that handles the NRHP nomination process, and ask for followup with them. Nyttend, i, and other NRHP editors accumulate information questions at workpages such as wp:NRIS info issues OH, including mentions of demolitions (see its section "Demolished but still listed"). It is certainly definitely okay and good for you to mention the demolitions in that non-mainspace workpage, towards their status being verified, with or without documentation. I meant to visit your talk page to suggest that.

Personally, I also think it is fine to have a note in a mainspace article making the uncontroversial assertion which you know is true, that the building has been demolished, with or without the addition of a "citation needed" tag. That tag doesn't bother me but it is also not terribly necessary in my opinion. I put the "citation needed" tag in, meaning for that to be a compromise, so that editor Nyttend would not delete the assertion altogether. Anything written in an article really should better have an inline citation directly supporting it, but we're not there yet. An assertion without a reference just appears to me to be something that is probably true, and should get a reference added, but it is okay to just have. Unsupported contentious assertions, especially negative information about a living person, should not be left in articles, but the fact of a building being gone is not controversial or political or anything.

About the edits where there was back-and-forth about these mentions, I may ask for some other editors' comments in the Talk page of the WikiProject NRHP (shortcut wt:NRHP). I notice in your edit history you have edited some NRHP articles. You'd be very welcome to join as a member and to comment there, either way. Hope this helps. --doncram 18:34, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

P.S. There seems to be some other comment at my own Talk page, where you opened discussion. So watch there too please! --doncram 18:50, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

P.P.S. Editor Nyttend has used photos many times, as in this article: Arcade Hotel (Springfield, Ohio) and has asserted demolitions of many Ohio buildings in wp:NRIS info issues OH, probably also in their corresponding articles. Seems like the Ohio state register needs to be updated a lot! --doncram 18:58, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

P.P.P.S. Another option is to consult with a local librarian. Libraries often keep clippings files and news articles or brochures or other documents in those can be cited, or the clippings file folder can be cited. This was discussed recently at Talk:Salvation Army Headquarters (Saint Paul, Minnesota)#Claims over reliable sources and original research. Also, local websites like Cleveland Area History can be cited, though that would be regarded as less authoritative, less reliable, than another source if there was a conflict. :) If you go that route, please consult wp:COI about guidelines on conflict of interest (note the guidelines do not prohibit involved parties from editing on articles in their area; they do give some good rules though). --doncram 19:45, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for all the ideas. In this case, the state preservation office actually did note the demolition - I could have sworn they hadn't the last time I looked. They're so woefully underfunded that they can't often keep track of such things. Christopher Busta-Peck | Talk 19:50, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

photos

Pic newly added by Cbustabeck for this article

Thanks for adding photos, which i notice being added by you to National Register of Historic Places listings in Cleveland, Ohio article!

Just a comment: I think u've been directly adding them to Wikipedia, rather than to Commons, i.e. commons.wikimedia.org (note that is wikimedia rather than wikipedia). You may not be aware yet there is usually a process to move pics from Wikipedia to Commons, probably for various reasons but including fact that makes the pics available for other language versions of Wikipedia. And a good number of NRHP articles have been translated into German and other versions of wikipedia, by the way. It saves work if u upload them directly to Commons, yourself. A pic at commons is referenced from wikipedia in exactly the same way, as "File:___". The Commons uploading process is straightforward, too, and is to be done under your account there. I have same username here and there, i think technically it is a separate account, but the accounts are somehow unified and switching inbetween is pretty seamless. This is optional. The main thing is: great, keep up the good work! --doncram 17:54, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I did consider that. I just wasn't comfortable with the different licensing requirements there. Christopher Busta-Peck | Talk 18:04, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

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Do you have any Woodhill Park pics?

Greetings... I'm a transplanted Clevelander living in Chicago and inasmuch have very limited access to NE Ohio informational resources, let alone photographic opportunities, so I'm coming to you looking for a decent photo of Woodhill Park (er, Luke Easter Park), and potentially any snaps you may have of the Woodland Hills area in general so as to illustrate the new article.

And since I'm here already and I haven't already sent you an invite...

You are invited to participate in Project Cleveland, a WikiProject dedicated to developing and improving articles about Cleveland, Ohio.

Thank you, and if you are interested, please join our project. We'd love to have you on board and we really do need every dedicated Clevelander we can get, particularly ones who are historically-minded. Ryecatcher773 (talk) 19:59, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Flickr+wikipedia+copyright

Is it possible for you to change licence information on fickr (you can change the license by going to the image's Flickr page and under Owner settings clicking edit License and choosing "Attribution-ShareAlike Creative Commons".)? Bulwersator (talk) 13:50, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

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