User talk:Bryanbybee

Notability

The author of the page, User:Bryanbybee, removed the {{prod}} tag, stating the following (in two edits):

(This entry references a magazine that has been part of Portland's nightlife & culture since 1993. You will find a similar (MUCH less detailed entry) about "The Portland Mercury" - is that non-notable?) (...) (This article is also referenced by the "Portland, Oregon" article under the "Media" sub-section. Please use common sense before calling an article non-notable!!!)

First, as WP:OSE states, comparing articles is not a great way to go about things.

Second, being cited on another wikipedia page isn't an indicator of notability: being discussed in verifiable and reliable sources can help meet the notability guidelines at WP:GNG and WP:N.

I suspect this article is going to AFD soon, but it was worth having a centralized discussion first. tedder (talk) 05:18, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Exotic has also been reviewed by Playboy TV (during a piece they did about the Portland Adult Nightlife Scene) but we wanted to seek approval before referencing the video link here on Wikipedia because of the subject matter it deals with. You can view that video review at: PlayBoy TV Video Review of Exotic

Some MACs have a problem with that URL and can alternatively use: Direct link to video

Other video coverage includes a piece from SeXTV, available here: SeXTV Video

Jim Goad was the editor of Exotic for over 5 years and also had his own articles and features published in Exotic. His book Gigantic Book of Sex consists of exclusive Exotic Magazine material.

Portland has a huge subculture built on the stripper industry created by Oregon's unique freedom of expression clause in its constitution and Exotic has helped form this subculture that is quite unique to Oregon.

Frank Miller and Darkhorse Comics has collaborated with Exotic to create cover art for the June 1996 issue. This can be seen here: Frank Miller Exotic Cover

It's hard not to think that these "non-notable" guidelines are more strictly imposed when dealing with subject matter such as this. Censorship hides in many forms...

In regards to comparing articles, I agree that it's not a great way to make the point of notability but it also goes a long way to expose the inconsistent enforcement of non-notability. One must ask where the extra "attention" comes from.

Bryanbybee (talk) 05:51, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Since Wikipedia is not censored, accusations of bias don't usually go over very well here. Please assume good faith. See our extensive list of detailed, illustrated and well-researched articles on porn stars, sex positions, slang terms and body parts if you need proof.

I can't speak for tedder (talk · contribs), but I think this magazine is probably notable. The problem is, although the article asserts notability, it does not supply reliable third-party sources to back up that assertion. Currently the article also reads like an advertisement. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, so the wording should be more neutral and less geared toward "selling" the magazine. It's especially hard to write in a neutral manner if you have a conflict of interest but it can be done. The kind of citations this article needs would be, rather than the "Reviews" section, a quote, such as "A review in Details magazine said that Exotic was 'extremely informative'." Then we need a link to the quote and/or a fully filled out citation. On the other hand, I don't know if Boing Boing would be considered a reliable source.

I'm going to do a little work on the lead paragraph of the article to get it closer to an encyclopedic style. Please click on the blue links in this post to read more about notability, how to find reliable sources, how to format citations, etc. Don't worry too much if you try to improve the article and you get the format wrong, we can help you fix that.

P.S. I think links to the videos might not work, not because of the subject matter, but because of external link policy. I know that links to Youtube are discouraged. But if the link is to a video that is being used as a reference it might be OK. I'm not an expert on such matters. Check out our external links guidelines to learn more.

Cheers, Katr67 (talk) 16:31, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Tagging

I tagged the article as an advertisement and as needing primary sources. The article's tone/POV is not neutral at this point; it can be rewritten to be so, but that still needs to be done. In other words, the article shouldn't be a brochure/advert for the magazine, but should present the information in an objective manner. The "needs primary sources" tag is fairly self-documenting. tedder (talk) 01:31, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

It appears the original tagger RHaworth has added an AfD tag (most likely without reading this Talk page and the national references (including videos) above. Since he's done so in haste, can it be removed? Here is the page: AfD for Exotic entry Bryanbybee (talk) 10:56, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Copyright problems with Exotic Magazine

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