User talk:Bertus Esterhuysen

IMM Graduate School of Marketing

Damelin is under-referenced but didn't strike me as particularly spammy. In the case of UNISA, the spam was all added by a single recent contributor, so I reverted to the last clean version and added to my watchlist.

Your article was promotional because it made unsourced spammy claims like

• The IMM GSM is one of Africa’s leading privately owned marketing schools
• IMM GSM is a reputable, specialised and accessible Open and Distance Learning institution.
• IMM is able to produce high caliber marketing executives.

Such claims need independent verifiable sources

However, reading again, the article is not unsalvageable, so I've restored and removed the offending text instead. I've also formatted the text properly per WP:MOS, and made the references neater.

I took out quite a few of the direct links, they should either be replaced by wikilinks to articles if they exist, or with properly formatted references if they don't

Incidentally, why is the article in American Engish?

Hope this helps

Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:26, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

2. I’m also working on the South African Theological Seminary article – is there a way you can look at it before I publish it? Put the text here and let me know. I'll be away for a couple of weeks from this friday though.
3. Am I allowed to add my own biographical information? I have a minor planet named after me but the Wikipedia article is basically a stub Good question. I think if you add the details in the reference to the planetary article, that's fair enough. I don't think that you can add much more than that that since your claim for notability rests with the planet. If you were thinking of a stand-alone article for yourself, I think that's possibly a bit trickier Jimfbleak - talk to me? 19:46, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Seminary

I made these changes, mainly manual of style, typos, etc. I think that's OK, although you could add some obvious bits like numbers of students Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:32, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

This article has had a troubled history

09:37, 28 May 2008 Gadfium ) deleted "South African Theological Seminary" ‎ (Recreation of deleted material, copyvio and spam)
08:37, 28 May 2008 Renata3 deleted "South African Theological Seminary" ‎ (G12: Blatant copyright infringement)
11:11, 6 September 2006 Mailer diablo deleted "South African Theological Seminary" ‎ (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/South African Theological Seminary)

It should be unprotected now, let me know if any problems Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:41, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I wish you had left it to me. Removing the speedy tag will be picked up by an edit filter and listed as such. It is likely that an admin will see the tag has been removed by the article's creator, assume that the Corenbot was correct, and delete on that basis. If that happens, let me know and I'll restore Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:01, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

English

There are differences in spelling between American and British English. AE uses, for example, gray, color, behavior (all underlined in red by my firefox spellchecker which has BE grey, colour, behaviour. Outside North America, most varieties of English follow BE spelling.

Th golden rule is that an article stays in the variety in which it is first written unless the topic is clearly restricted to one country/region. Thus The White House should be in AE, but the House of Commons in BE. I was just a bit surprised that you appear to use AE in your articles instead of South African English. If you stick with that, it's unlikely to be challenged unless you go for Featured Artilce. The problem with Tom is that he is changing the article from it's original BE with no justification, since the Mallard is not restricted to the US Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:52, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Welcome

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Make your web refs more intelligible by using [url description], so the Finesse ref becomes [http://www.voelgoed.co.za/index.php/cms/contentview/action/view/frmCategoryId/60/frmContentId/3045/Title/AMORE-BEKKER-SE-EERSTES-/ ''Finesse'' magazine''] and displays as Finesse magazine. For books and magazines use templates

• <ref name= >{{cite book || last = | first = | coauthors= | title = | year = |language = | location = | publisher = | isbn = |pages = |}}</ref> or

• <ref name= >{{cite journal || last= | first= | coauthors= | month= | year= | title= | journal= | volume= | issue = |language = | pages= – | url = |format = | doi = }}</ref>

Leave anything you don't know blank. Example Snow, David (1998). The Birds of the Western Palearctic concise edition (2 volumes). Oxford: Oxford University Press. pp. 1342–1346. ISBN 019854099X 0. {{cite book}}: Check |isbn= value: length (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

For personal communications, you could try in lit or pers comm, but these are likely to be challenged as unverifiable or WP:OR; better to use personal website or blog for personal stuff, and proper web or paper sources for everything else. See how you get on, and I'll have another look when you're ready Jimfbleak - talk to me? 17:25, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

I can't see any major problems, go ahead and post it Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:06, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Gemological Science International

And it's also a copyright violation... Thanks Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:00, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Flickr

The image is tagged "all rights reserved", so you would have to contact the photographer to persuade them to change the licence. if permission is given it needs a tag like the green one on File:Leptocoma zeylonica -Pune, India -male-8.jpg, but I never upload from Flickr, so I don't know how that works Jimfbleak - talk to me? 19:56, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Only just noticed that it's uploaded by a book publisher, so I wouldn't be too hopeful Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:41, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Otautau

I replaced the dead links, only to discover the text is a copyright violation from here. I would normally delete on sight, but I've left it temporarily in case you have any interest in salvaging it, let me know Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:33, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Behati Prinsloo

She appears to be notable, but the article desperately needs references. I don't know why the site is blacklisted, but difficult to see why its WP:RS anyway, so not worth seeking removal from filter. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:43, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

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I've done the delete and move, so the page now has a full edit history, and your sandbox is a redirect. Do you want that sandbox deleted now? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:30, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Stellenbosch to bid for Wikimania 2012!

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Comments

I'm going away for a few days in the morning, so comments will have to be brief. The Pienaar one looks OK, but it may be worth just checking that the language is as neutral as you can make it.

ATKV is more problematic. I'm unclear whether it's just the name that's directly translated, or the whole article, needs clarifying, because if it really is a close translation of a text, it will be a copyright infringement (just like directly translating Harry Potter or the like.

It relies too heavily on the organisation as a source, needs more neutral sources, which can be in Afrikaans if necessary.

Check the language for neutrality, words like ardent are decidedly pov. Similarly, "Vision" and "Missiom" sections are best avoided — I'd lose the first and integrate the second into the History

The ATKV is an cultural organisation that manages the Afrikaans culture in a creative manner as to benefit the company and Afrikaans community stated as a fact, sourced to the organisation, pretty spammy unless you can provide independent proof of the statement.

I think you need some facts and figures to establish notability. How many members? Turnover/income?

Are the resorts of cultural significance, or just Afrikaans speaking resorts?

Good luck, wish I was in SA, maximum of 4 Celsius today Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:09, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Still clearing yesterday's snow, want to swap? I've deleted Felicia Mabuza-Suttle, far too promotional. I've tidied the start of ATKV, if you want to put the Afrikaans name first, leave out the Afrikaans tag. All I can suggest with Ernestine is this, which at least gives a list of cookery books that have quoted her. Only the John Cook book of your existing refs does more than show she exists; you don't need recipes, but you do need some publications. The British Library and Library of Congress show nothing, so you may struggle Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:33, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

ATKV

Hello Bertus,

I'm glad to see you are tackling the ATKV article.

The current draft seems a bit negative though. Instead of mentioning "a stigma", I think it would be sufficient to just mention a few facts:

1. High rate of urbanization during the 1930s.
2. Goldrush causing an influx of foreigners, causing Afrikaners to fear erosion of their culture.
3. Afrikaans is one of the newest languages, e.g. it only became an official language in 1925 and the first official Afrikaans bible only appeared in 1933.

I think the Applous competition is also worth a mention.-- Nic Roets (talk) 21:09, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

No, I'm not from the ATKV. I discovered your draft after I was unable to find an ATKV link for a different article I was working on.

It looks like you made a few changes and IMHO, it's already a good article.

Yes, the history of Afrikaans is well documented on the Afrikaans page. But many readers will not be aware of it. I think it will provide some context to mention how rapidly the language was changing when the ATKV was founded. -- Nic Roets (talk) 13:31, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

ATKV

It looks OK, just a couple of suggestions

1. references should immediately follow punctuation, not precede
2. The lead is supposed to summarise what follows, it wouldn't do any harm to add a couple more sentences.
3. I wonder if the first line should have the Afrikaans language and Afrikaner culture. It seemed to me that in the Western Cape, the only area I've visited, many (most?) mixed-race people spoke Afrikaans, but I don't get the impression this organisation was meant for them.

Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:55, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Deletion

I've deleted the page as requested, it needs admin rights to do that. As for Google, I don't know when or if it will stop listing the page, but with nothing there, you would think it would eventually drop out of sight Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:53, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

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