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proper use of ARS

I'm curious why you thought that ISU 2011 Congress in The Netherlands was rescuable, and gave it the ARS tag. A clear G11 speedy in my opinion. (or did you mean to try to extractthe International Stereoscopic Union part as an article on the ISU?) DGG ( talk ) 05:41, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

As part of my work at ARS I try to ensure we use the {{rescue}} tag properly; on many articles, such as this, I simply move it into the AfD tag so the rescue tag is removed with the AfD tag. Although i don't remember the specifics on this AfD I think I voted to delete as either non-notable or unsourcible in reliable sources or both. -- Banjeboi 14:52, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Coming out

Since you've got so much information here, I just wanted let you know I've commented on your message to me, but on my talk page if you want to discuss more editing. Thanks for the comment and cooperation! Isn't that how real editing should be? :-) --CJ Withers (talk) 12:30, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Definitely! Keep up the great work! -- Banjeboi 14:55, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Pomosexuality

Thanks for this edit. --AdamSommerton (talk) 15:00, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

You're quite welcome, as a general rule criticism and controversy sections cause more problems as they lend themselves to POV contexting. In many cases the best solution is to move relative content within the main text of the article and weave it in so multiple views are presented together with due weight. -- Banjeboi 15:08, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Benjiboi

Howdy, I posed a question to you at Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Benjiboi. I hope you can find it within yourself to answer it. --TeaDrinker (talk) 15:51, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I will be happy to look, unsure why the need to suggest I have to "find it within yourself to answer it" <boggles>, that seems awfully contentious. -- Banjeboi 15:54, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I meant nothing by it other than you've previously shown some resistance to answering that in the past. I wanted to acknowledge that. --TeaDrinker (talk) 16:26, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

And I hope you realize why I don't answer this pointy question has nothing to do with my status but the issue of enforcement that seems lost on many editors working on these issues. -- Banjeboi 16:29, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Graphics request

Completed your graphics request. Kaldari (talk) 19:26, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! -- Banjeboi 20:32, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Prop 8

If you get a moment, could I ask for your input on the Prop 8 article, namely the Lead section (see talk). I've tried to revert the lead back to its somewhat stable condition, but need some suggestions on a couple of issues. Thanks, MrBell ^(talk) 16:23, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, that article is huge and likely should be split a bit. As is, I think that editing the lede is premature and should be done rather piecemeal. Frankly it's an endurance contest in the shortish run and eventually a good article will emerge. In part that's why I feel splitting will help. Give children spin-out articles from the parent and let those who want to belabout every bit other articles to work on. Meanwhile the parent article can dwell on the most stable and relevant content without getting bogged down. Good luck though ... ! -- Banjeboi 00:27, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

George Quaintance

DYK upblow asap. -- Banjeboi

It's now approximately the right size and age, but the article may need some additional reference formatting work, which isn't my forte. --Malkinann (talk) 00:23, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd be happy to clean up the refs! -- Banjeboi 00:29, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - btw, the reason why the old File:George Quaintance was deleted was because it wasn't a picture, someone was using the description page as a sandbox/copyvio of the queer encylopedia entry, it wasn't due to NFCC at all. --Malkinann (talk) 01:27, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Funny

You can delete this immediately, but I just wanted to say how funny I found this comment: "There are generally two types of homosexuals : those that have too many hormones and those that don't have enough." There are all kinds of hormones in the body. What can "too many" or "not enough" possibly mean? And what about the hormone "therapy" that tries to "straighten out" gays? Would it work in reverse also? Consider that Manny Ramirez tested positive for some kind of female hormone used to reverse certain side effects of anabolic steroids. Presumably he might have had "too many" female hormones in his system. Did he "go gay" during his 50-game suspension? I rather doubt it. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 06:17, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Corollary: There are generally two types of idiots : those who know they're idiots, and those who don't. Guess which kind we most often run into at wikipedia? :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 06:20, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

LOL! There is a cure for heterosexuality but it involves alcohol ... seriously this really goes in the hall of fame of nonsense. I liken it along the same vein as the Smithsonian Barbie, flat-Earthers and even the Flying Spaghetti Monster. We all believe what we need to to survive but that editor will take a while to unravel; a tour through their talkpage contributions shows a strong interest in what I think is loosely termed third-person removed soapboxing. <boggles> -- Banjeboi 06:38, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I wonder how he explains bisexuals? Too much of both "types" of hormones? The Smithsonian Barbie thing looks like it was written by somebody from The Onion. Funny stuff. It reminds me of a Peanuts strip in which Linus finds a round piece of wood. He's marveling to Charlie Brown about the random forces of nature that miraculously shaped that wood into a perfect sphere: "It really makes you think!" Charlie says, "Yes, it makes me think you found an old croquet ball." Linus tosses it away angrily and says, "I hate phonies!" That strip can be seen as a comment on religion and other social phenomena... if you think about it: Society decides something "must be true", then if something doesn't live up to that "truth", then somehow it's that other thing that's at fault, rather than the societal assumption. Sound familiar? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 06:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, I think it's all fear. Once we embrace that we know nothing the rest is easy! -- Banjeboi 07:11, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

God, on the other hand, knows everything. He would clean up on Jeopardy. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 07:18, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Omnipotence for $200, Alex. -- Banjeboi 07:25, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

That's good. I have to confess that that is not my own idea. It's from The Far Side. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 07:41, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Far Side is a scream, love it! -- Banjeboi 22:01, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Sanchez

I don't get why ASE didn't just take that article off his watch list and pretend it didn't exist. Sometimes it's like he wants to be blocked. But what point is that? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 07:57, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

It puzzles me as well, I hope he chillaxes for a month or so, Sanchez gets removed and ASE returns apologetically for letting the nonsense drive him over the edge. -- Banjeboi 22:01, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Marriage equality (Talk:Supporters of marriage equality in the United States)

Perhaps you would like to comment on the current discussion on the naming of that article (supporters of ...). I had a slight tiff with you about the lead of Barney Frank, but have seen you around doing excellent work on lots of articles (including that one). I'd value your opinion about the naming issue... obviously, you can see my own opinion in the discussion there, so there's no need to repeat it here. LotLE×talk 01:16, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I generally don't hold grudges and never saw you as being unreasonable. I do get annoyed when perfectly valid content is deleted instead of finding a way to present it NPOV.
I'll comment at the naming thread. -- Banjeboi 01:34, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Tyson Cane

Benjiboi: In "cleaning up" the Tyson Cane article, you have worked so carelessly that a sentence now ends right in the middle: "This movie appeared alongside numerous others: in the late 1990s, Early on in his career, Cane was featured on the cover ..." If you have to "clean up" the work of others, would you please make sure that what you do actually improves the material? Please return to the Tyson Cane article to undo the damage. Thank you. GBataille (talk) 22:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

You know, mistakes do happen. In this case you could have simply removed the colon and replaced the comma with a period, and viola! Crisis averted. I'll do that now. -- Banjeboi 22:59, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, of course, mistakes happen. However, if someone undertakes a "cleanup" of an entry that is really okay, then this person has the responsibility to be careful. I happen to have created the Tyson Cane entry, along with a few others. I have seen these entries being "improved" and "cleaned up" over time. The result is that almost all of them have lost interesting information and contain many linguistic mistakes. Thank you, therefore, for understanding that I am a little apprehensive about less than careful "cleanups." GBataille (talk) 21:40, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Chris Crocker

You may want to see Chris Cunningham (disambiguation), created by the POV pusher. I'm running out of battery power in the laptop so I have to power down shortly. Bidgee (talk) 02:19, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, i started Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Attack_page_or_something_violating_BLP. -- Banjeboi 02:41, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I've sent you an email about this. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 16:00, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! -- Banjeboi 02:54, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Aubrey O'Day

Hey, Benjiboi. Will you reply in the Talk:Aubrey O'Day#LGBT category? Possibly open to being with women romantically? section again? Flyer22 (talk) 00:06, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Done. -- Banjeboi 01:50, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I replied back, but you likely know that from watching the article...if you are watching it. Flyer22 (talk) 05:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Yea baby, I'm watchin' it! LOL! -- Banjeboi 11:00, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Is she the one with a child named Thyme? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 11:07, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Err, doubt it, I don't think she has any children. I really don't know much about her but did catch an interview with her. -- Banjeboi 11:15, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I see. So one way to look at it is that the proverbial stork wouldn't give her the Thyme O'Day. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 11:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh my. That's just dreadful. It reminds me of the one about why Princess Diana did n't name her firstborn "Up" ... cause they would be known as Up, Chuck and Di. -- Banjeboi 11:37, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

You bet! And that's what the casual reader might feel like doing after reading these jokes. :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 11:44, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Ha! -- Banjeboi 13:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Disputed non-free use rationale for File:Trojan and Bowery.jpg

Thank you for uploading File:Trojan and Bowery.jpg. However, there is a concern that the rationale provided for using this file on Wikipedia may not meet the criteria required by Wikipedia:Non-free content. This can be corrected by going to the file description page and adding or clarifying the reason why the file qualifies under this policy. Adding and completing one of the templates available from Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your file is in compliance with Wikipedia policy. Please be aware that a non-free use rationale is not the same as an image copyright tag; descriptions for files used under the non-free content policy require both a copyright tag and a non-free use rationale.

If it is determined that the file does not qualify under the non-free content policy, it might be deleted by an administrator within a few days in accordance with our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions, please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you. Stifle (talk) 14:59, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I think I've addressed this. -- Banjeboi 02:54, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Abusive admin. - Re: Walter Mercado

Why are admins so poorly monitored on here? :| Have you ever heard of this guy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AntonioMartin Scroll down to the Walter Mercado topic. This Antonio guy is a bigot. Naturally, nobody has talked to him about this. --98.232.181.201 (talk) 03:51, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Hold up tiger, I did look and see no bigotedness or abuse going on. Did they do or write something in particular? If not, you need to chill. It seems like the main issue is on Walter Mercado; the article is a mess and there doesn't seem to be reliable sourcing for expressing any non-heterosexuality. On Wikipedia we go by verifiability, not truth. -- Banjeboi 04:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Beth Ditto

I don't often get much involved in content any more, but NFCC is an area I consider myself pretty knowledgeable in. I don't understand how you could justify fair-use when another, free image, already exists in the image. The poster does not illustrate any sort of historic event, and nothing that cannot be described by words. I am not active at Commons, and I do not intend to 'get it deleted' there, however it is already up for deletion there anyway. The Commons deletion process is incredibly slow, sometimes to the point where months can pass by on an open request with no further comment. That doesn't make it right, however, to use it in an article where FOP does not apply, and neither could a FUR be applied simply because it has not been deleted yet. This is why I removed the image from the article, and this is why I would like to discuss it with you further. Hope you're having a nice day. :) — neuro^(talk) 06:36, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi, appreciate the dialogging. My thinking is that she is known for being very large, body positive and an exhibitionist. This has been both praised and criticized. If the image is deleted at commons - which I think would make sense - I would see a fu version on her article as helping illustrate this. I suppose I could write a whole article stub on Love magazine and we would then use it there but in the meantime I'd rather find a way to keep it. As you are likely aware, if I uploaded a version here it would be deleted as duplicating an image at Commons. To me this is an important aspect of who she is, and what she is known for. What is the best way forward? -- Banjeboi 06:54, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Not often someone turns around my stubborn git NFCC stance, but you're right. I can't pinpoint where I was turned around, but somewhere around the middle you had me convinced that a decent argument for fair-use could be made. Thanks for replying, and have a nice day. :) — neuro^(talk) 06:56, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry about the rollback. I was trying to quickly scroll down by clicking my scroll wheel, but it landed on the rollback link for your page. Sorry.— Dædαlus ^Contribs 20:46, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Lol! Computers are our friends. -- Banjeboi 20:48, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Yogyakarta Principles

Benjiboy, stop vandalising. You will be reported. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.24.138.2 (talk) 22:43, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

sent to AIV, IP blocked. -- Banjeboi 23:35, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Cathy Worthley

I thought you might want to have a look at this biography. The individual seems to have an interesting story and the article needs some work and might be of interest to you or the task force (if that's the right terminology). If you'd rather I posted it directly there and avoided your talk page for whatever reason just let me know. Take care. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:37, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you mean ARS or LGBT but both are appropriate so I did them all! It also gives me an opportunity to test...

Hi, Benjiboi, thank you for using the {{rescue}} tag, the main organizing tool for the Article Rescue Squadron, on Cathy Worthley!

In regards to the subject above, I'll leave it to you then - in regards to Cathy Worthley, if you find any reliable sources, let me know and I'll change my !vote at the AFD. --Cameron Scott (talk) 09:31, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

No problem, I used to take that stuff too personally now I'm just ... tired and bitter - LOL! If no one bests me to it I'll look to overhauling the Worthley article, i have a hunch the name change which drive me nuts but I'll try! -- Banjeboi 09:34, 2 September 2009 (UTC)