User talk:Apophis82

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5α-Reductase 2 deficiency[edit]

Please don't just revert edits with a detailed explanation of why they were added. If you want to explain why the condition only applies to genetic males when there are a high number of references specifically about intersex people with the condition (not just the gene) in the article, then please go to the Talk page for the article and make your case. Further reverts that go against the scientific consensus and references here will result in warnings or potentially a ban. Mountaincirque^talk 10:26, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"5-alpha reductase deficiency is a condition that affects male sexual development before birth and during puberty. People with this condition are genetically male, with one X and one Y chromosome in each cell, and they have male gonads (testes). Their bodies, however, do not produce enough of a hormone called dihydrotestosterone (DHT). DHT has a critical role in male sexual development, and a shortage of this hormone disrupts the formation of the external sex organs before birth."

https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/5-alpha-reductase-deficiency/

ALL intersex people with 5-ARD are genetic males. Genetic male means they have XY chromosomes. apophis (talk) 10:30, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are various exceptions, such as individuals with Klinefelter syndrome (who have XXY chromosomes), Swyer syndrome (women with XY chromosomes), and XX male syndrome (men with XX chromosomes), however these exceptions are rare.: quote from the lead of XY sex-determination system.

It usually affects genetic males, hence your reference, there are exceptions though such as Swyer syndrome and others where women can have XY chromosomes. I have looked back in your edits and notice that you were the one who initially added the word male into the article, replacing 'child'. I am not going to engage further with you on this and I'm going to recommend that the page is locked. Another article that you might want to read is this one by a genetic expert: Other DSD women have testosterone levels in the typical male range but do not process testosterone in the same way as men. For example, one category of DSD is 5-alpha‐reductase type 2 deficiency, caused by a genetic mutation on chromosome 2. [1]

You can also read the NHS guidance on DSD [2], which repeatedly notes that XX/XY is only the 'usual' term for males and females. You need to get a better grasp of the terminology around sex and gender. I specifically asked you to take any further edits/reverts to the Talk page which you ignored. If you continue to make edits in this manner then your account is at risk of being banned. Mountaincirque^talk 10:53, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If someone has XY chromosomes then they are "genetic male" that doesn't mean that they are male or that they identify as male or a man or that they don't identify as a woman. This is the important distinct between "genetic male" and "male". A 5-alpha reductase deficiency in a person who is female has no effect on sexual development so is not classed as a DSD at all.

Any discussion of other DSDs other than 5-ARD isn't relevant to a page about 5-ARD so I'm not sure why you're bringing them up?

I also didn't originally insert male. If you look more closely before shooting accusations my direction I undid another edit that removed male replacing it with child.

Original with male:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=5%CE%B1-Reductase_2_deficiency&oldid=1099753620

Edit that replaces male with child:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=5%CE%B1-Reductase_2_deficiency&oldid=1100924073

And you've seen my edit reverting it back. apophis (talk) 11:20, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

July 2023[edit]

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. Mountaincirque^talk 10:29, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you remove or blank page content or templates from Wikipedia without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary, as you did at 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency. Mountaincirque^talk 10:38, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]