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NCTV changes

Hey Alex, regarding your change to NCTV, how would you name articles such as So You Think You Can Dance (Belgian and Dutch TV series), So You Think You Can Dance (Belgium and the Netherlands, season 6) and My Name is... (Belgium & The Netherlands)? --Gonnym (talk) 12:10, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Gonnym, personally, I would rename them with a disambiguator of "Dutch", given the common Dutch language between the two countries and shows. Either that, or by year. So, (2008 TV series) / (2008 TV series, season 6) / (2010 TV series). -- /Alex/21 13:08, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
The year is impossible as there are other versions with that year and it also makes it much less clear what country it is. Placing it as Dutch for language might work, though I'm not sure if there will be support for such an option, but that won't for all cases such as Expedition Robinson (Central Europe) or Big Brother (Norwegian and Swedish TV series). --Gonnym (talk) 17:12, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Change your mind (Steven Universe)

Did you really have to blame me for an edit another user made? StarwhiteDiamond (talk) 00:21, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

StarwhiteDiamond, do you mean the IP editor 96.241.219.202 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), and how your account was created directly after their edits, only 14 minutes after, and they ceased editing once you came into the picture? -- /Alex/21 00:26, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
Alex 21, no, some user named Hyliad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by StarwhiteDiamond (talk • contribs)
StarwhiteDiamond, when did I ever compare your edits to Hyliad's? -- /Alex/21 00:33, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
Alex 21, you reverted the page back to your version and said the changes had been explained to me on my talk page not too long after they edited the page.StarwhiteDiamond (talk) 00:45, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
StarwhiteDiamond, do you mean this edit? I mass reverted both of your edits [1][2] at the same time with that edit, and the summary was more pointed towards you than to Hyliad. -- /Alex/21 00:48, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Crisis On Infinite Earths Titles

Hello Alex 21,

I was wondering why did you put the titles of Crisis On Infinite Earth with ¨Hour (1,2,3,4,5)¨. Because I haven't read any news about the title being in that way, so I changed it to ¨Part (1,2,3,4,5)¨, because it is the most logic and normal way. If I been any trouble, I apologize. I just wanted to know why put ¨Hour¨ and not ¨Part¨, which I think is better.

Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NicoArrowverse (talk • contribs)

@NicoArrowverse: Per the source. -- /Alex/21 22:13, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for answering. Although I still think that the writers should have put ¨Part¨ would have been better. Because in the previous crossover, Elseworlds, and I am sure in Crisis On Infinite Earths, weren't actually hours that happened each episode, there were two or three days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NicoArrowverse (talk • contribs)
@NicoArrowverse: What we think they should have titled them is irrelevant. A source shows "Hour". That's what we use. Also, do not edit while logged out, as you did on your own talk page. Also, "Hour" likely doesn't mean hours in the story, it means hours as in the episodes. Hour One, 1 hour for the first episode, etc. The crossover is five hour long. -- /Alex/21 21:48, 9 November 2019 (UTC)


Alex why do you keep changing title Crisis on Infinite Earths to "episode" or hour and not to Crisis on Infinite Earths Part 1,2,3,4,5.As this is obvious like the previous year.

I know the crossover is 5 hours your forgetting that each episode is 45 minutes plus 15 minutes for advertising thats why they say hour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.21.74.82 (talk) 06:37, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Per the source. Do you have a source that states that they're titled "Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part #"? No? There's your issue. -- /Alex/21 06:39, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
Alex 21 no source is needed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.21.74.82 (talk) 06:40, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
Wrong. Sources are always needed per WP:RS and WP:V. You add any content without a source, and it'll be reverted. -- /Alex/21 06:46, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
https://cartermatt.com/385590/crisis-on-infinite-earths-teaser-brandon-rouths-superman-more/
This news article says it's parts
Where's the part explicitly stating that the episodes will be titled "Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part #"? I can't seem to find it. -- /Alex/21 06:53, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
Here's a copy and paste from the article.
There will be three parts of Crisis on Infinite Earths that air in the month of December, and then after a hiatus, it will return to conclude the story in January.
So, it doesn't say "Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part #" at all. Thank you for confirming that. -- /Alex/21 06:56, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Alex 21 here's a news article says it's "Crisis on Infinite Earths Part 1,2,3,4,5.

https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/11/15/first-look-at-crisis-on-infinite-earths-part-one-as-supergirl-ph/

Where does it say "Crisis on Infinite Earths Part 1,2,3,4,5"? Point it out to me. -- /Alex/21 06:28, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Legends season 5 note

Hey. So I realized after I kind of talked to you here I should have just come to your talk. As I stated though, the note currently doesn't indicate at all that Crisis will not count towards the 15. Hence why I move the note in the first place, because it only covered air dates. So we need something in the note about episode numbers to keep it where you have it. But with that, should we do a split season formatting to make this clear? So "16" overall episodes, then split part 1 is 1 episode for Crisis, and then split part 2 is 15 for the rest of the season? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 06:09, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

@Favre1fan93: Hey. I think that we should expand the note to note that there's 16 episodes in total, so that the note applies to the episodes cell and start cell. As for the overview, you mean something like this?
SeasonEpisodesOriginally aired
First airedLast aired
5161January 14, 2020 (2020-01-14)
15January 21, 2020 (2020-01-21)TBA
I could probably support this. It would make the unique airing of this season somewhat clearer. -- /Alex/21 21:57, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I'm good with that overview format as well. - Brojam (talk) 22:24, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
@Alex 21: Yes, that's what I meant for the overview table, and yes to expanding the note too. I believe you compiled the references for the episodes, if you wouldn't mind expanding the note with wording/sources that are appropriate. Then having the note in the season column works for me. And then we could change over the overview table to how you presented it here. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:29, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Okay, so the note currently states: A special episode for the "Crisis on Infinite Earths" crossover is set to air on January 14, 2020, with the fifth season officially premiering later on January 21, 2020. I would suggest expanding it to: A total of 16 episodes are set to be produced: a special episode for the "Crisis on Infinite Earths" crossover, which is set to air on January 14, 2020 before the fifth season, and fifteen contributing towards the regular season, which is set to officially premiere later on January 21, 2020. The best source for "16 episodes" would be the script for 5x15, which will have the production code 516/T13.21916. -- /Alex/21 06:15, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
I like the note change. What sources do we have now? Didn't I see a video of Klemmer stating 15? Can that be used for the time being? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 06:28, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, this one. At 9:10, he states "We're got four great episodes, we just need to come up with eleven more, and we'll have a season." I think that'll do for now; it's already in use, we can just expand the note as-is. -- /Alex/21 06:31, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Ok, let's do it. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 07:03, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Done. I've also expanded the note at the Arrowverse series overview, but I've kept the Season 5 row simple with just the 15 episodes and January 21, 2020 date, for simplicity's sake there, and linked List of Legends of Tomorrow episodes § Series overview and Legends of Tomorrow (season 5) § Release for further information. -- /Alex/21 07:31, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Good Omens Title Sequence

Hi, Alex

Can you help me understand the criticism of this section. What exactly do I need to change? What is the grammatical problem, for example? Thanks for your help


Mjr524 (talk) 12:41, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Crisis on Infinite Earths Title

Alex 21 if keep continuing change the title ill report you to Wikipedia.

It's Crisis on Infinite Earths, Part 1 and so on Titus25go (talk) 08:02, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

@Titus25go: You need a source. There's sources for Parts 1 through 3, do you have one for 4 and 5? It needs to explicitly say "Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part 4". -- /Alex/21 08:30, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Here's the source. If there's a part 1 in this article and we already know there's 5 episodes. They follow on part 1 to 2 and so on.

Alex 21 do you have a source that says its "Crisis on Infinite Earth " episode.?

If you keep doing this you will be reported. https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/11/15/first-look-at-crisis-on-infinite-earths-part-one-as-supergirl-ph/

@Titus25go: That's a violation of WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. Read those links, then come back here. Where is your source that explicitly states "Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part 4" and "Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part 5"? You do not have one. -- /Alex/21 08:40, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Alex 21 you don't have a source either

I'm not stating any title. I'm stating that it's an episode of "Crisis on Infinite Earth". Nothing more. -- /Alex/21 08:43, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes what number is the episode

There is no source stating what the episode title is, so I'm not adding it. That's what you're doing. -- /Alex/21 08:45, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

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An apology, asking to start over.

I am very sorry for the tone of my messages in our recent discussion. Sometimes I am so opposed to another user's edits that it manifests in extreme anger that can spiral out of control if I don't keep it in check.

I knew I went too far almost as soon as I'd posted that last message. That along with general fatigue was the main reason why I didn't touch your removal of the entire discussion, or react in any way at all. Instead, I've taken a full week off Wikipedia, both for my own sanity (or to "cool down" as you had suggested) and to show my sincerity here and now.

I know you told me not to post on your talk page anymore, but seeing as this is an apology for the conduct on my part that led to that it seems like the only appropriate place to write it. If you don't accept my apology, please feel free to remove this post without commenting at all.

Otherwise, I would like to further demonstrate my willingness to change by inviting you to a brand-new discussion, where I will do my utmost to ensure that conduct is not mentioned in any way, shape, or form and focus solely on the content issues at hand. The one and only thing I would ask of you is to please consider and address all of my arguments – as if they were from another editor, and the prior conversation never happened.

As an aside, I would like to note that your last post in the discussion took me by surprise, as I genuinely had no idea who you were or that we had crossed paths before at all. Once I realized you had changed part of your username I did recognize it but I still had no idea where I'd seen you before until I used one of the user interaction tools. Of course this does not justify anything I wrote, but I thought I should let you know that even in the heat of the moment I never had anything against you personally, and would have reacted the same way to another user. Modernponderer (talk) 09:15, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

User talk page block

Now that the issue is resolved, I would like to ask: could you please remove my username from User:Alex 21/Editors?

I don't want to be on anyone's "bad list". It feels awful, as a constant reminder of past mistakes. Modernponderer (talk) 10:33, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Vikings (season 6)

Hi. I added more referenced content to Draft:Vikings (season 6). Just let me know if it should be published now. The season is gonna premiere soon and the content gives more context to the sixth season now, so I think it's ready. Also, you might have read my edit on Vikings main page on the Production section. I think it's quite unorganised and the structure/writing style of production and casting content could be improved by summarising everything in two new sections, Production and Casting, so that the specific content in the seasons articles doesn't read as a plain copy of that big section.--TheVampire (talk) 13:11, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Happy Doctor Day

Hi Alex 21. So six years today ago we were at the tippy top of the timey wimey 50th anniversary celebrations. It will always be a special memory that we fans saw The Day of the Doctor at the same time all over the planet :-) Things are quieter now but there is still a little extra joy when the 23rd falls on a Saturday. Cheers!! MarnetteD|Talk 05:36, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

@MarnetteD: Happy Doctor Day to you too! Can't wait for tomorrow when the Series 12 trailer is released... An even better present was that two days ago, two days before the anniversary, I actually got a TARDIS tattoo! Best one I've gotten so far. I also vividly remember the 50th anniversary; I have the 50th anniversary version of Monopoly, and I've had it signed by eight Who actors! -- /Alex/21 05:39, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
TARDIS ink!! How marvelous is that!!! Great news about the game and the signatures. Two days after the 20th anniversary ep aired (Nov 23rd here in the US) I was in Chicago for the big DW convention. Stood in several lines for autographs in this book. My favorite was getting Pat Troughton and Nick Courtney together. They talked about the fact that their guest spots in All Creatures Great and Small aired one week apart. Gosh that show has created great memories for people all over the world :-) MarnetteD|Talk 05:52, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
MarnetteD, amazing! You're lucky to have been able to meet those two in particular before they passed. We're so lucky to be part of such a massive group. (Also, just to "show off" a bit, here's the two pictures [3][4]) -- /Alex/21 06:09, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
Those are both great Alex. Thanks for sharing them!! Whoo wee the pics I could have taken if today's tech was around in '83. The closest I can get is this - if you have the Five Doctors special edition there is a 50 minute documentary narrated by Colin B that covers all of the celebrations that went in that year. Near the end there is a segment about the Chicago convention and in one scene you will see Pat and Jon as well as Lis in Sarah's "Andy Pandy" outfit. I am in that room (though unseen) to the right of the picture. Cheers again. MarnetteD|Talk 07:11, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi again. Here is another treat for your DW day. Earlier this year I picked up this and this neck tie. Fun stuff. If you've watched Good Omens you might have noticed that, in episode two, Pulsifer is wearing the first one :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 19:04, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
Amazing! I did indeed notice that; Good Omens had a few easter eggs laying around its episodes. -- /Alex/21 21:43, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Doctor Who Series 12

Alex21 okay we'll wait! I genuinely can't wait for the new series Can you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bgtxfactordoctorwhostrictly (talk • contribs)

@Bgtxfactordoctorwhostrictly: Looking forward to it! -- /Alex/21 06:20, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

@Alex21 , After I see the trailer may I have the honour to add the release date if the trailer has one?

"honour"? What on Earth are you talking about? How's it an "honour" to add the date? -- /Alex/21 15:05, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Before you see what I have written in the article, give me a chance. I am a person who doesn't know how to cite references so I added the article in the wee comment you're supposed to write after you have edited the page. I think the BBC is an accurate source. Also the What's On TV magazine 30 Nov - 6 Dec 2019 edition contains it. The exact comment is this : Jodie Whittaker returns for the new series of Doctor Who on BBC One. It would be amazing if you told me how to cite references. (Bgtxfactordoctorwhostrictly (talk) 17:56, 27 November 2019 (UTC))

Because your first edit asked about citing references, I left a welcome message specifically about that on your user page, everything you need to know is in that. Ideally you should read all the links, but especially the link to Help:Referencing for beginners which also links to other referencing help articles. You can also go to Wikipedia:Teahouse or Wikipedia:Questions or post {{help me}} at the bottom of your talk page. But before you work out the technicalities of referencing, you need to read and understand Wikipedia:Reliable sources, Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources and Wikipedia:Rumour. For TV series schedules the reliable source is generally only the official site of the broadcaster - so in this case it would be the BBC's website. Cross-posting this to your talk page, please reply there if you want to talk to me about it. Amedee123 (talk) 01:46, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

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Plot Lengths Script

Hey! Don't know if this is intentional but I was checking the plot length of a film with the template stating that the plot it too long and it's (the template) included in the word count, which gave an inaccurate account of what the plot length actually is. Don't know if this is intentional or not! QueerFilmNerdtalk 08:55, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Lists of Doctor Doctor episodes

See Talk:Lists of Doctor Doctor episodes. I think this is properly a disambiguation page. There is currently an active discussion at Wikipedia talk:Lists of lists over a recently-created draft guideline on the subject. Any comments welcome. Thanks, Aymatth2 (talk) 14:20, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

User: 86.8.201.75

He just will not stop reverting. He ignores every request for proof, he keeps moving the goalposts, he just won’t stop edit warring. What should we do?--Simmerdon3448 (talk) 00:28, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Simmerdon3448, Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:86.8.201.75 reported by User:Alex 21 (Result: ) -- /Alex/21 00:29, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Straža

Straža is duplicate of Straza in Wikidata, can you resolve this? And I believe it should be redirected Straza --> Straža anyway. AndrejJ (talk) 08:01, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Andrejj, no idea on the Wikidata fix, sorry; I don't edit Wikidata. And as my summary stated, the move was in regards to a request filed at WP:RM/TR by another editor; you can see the request here. -- /Alex/21 08:14, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Removal of Edit Warring notice by IP

Erm, was that actually justified as such? I don't think the IP had no reason against what was a justified matter... did they? GUtt01 (talk) 12:54, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Such a revert is valid per WP:3RRNO: Reverting actions performed by banned users in violation of their ban, and sockpuppets of banned or blocked users. -- /Alex/21 12:57, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
The IP was blocked because it was using a proxy and it wasn't blocked until after the notice had been left so that reason is not valid. --AussieLegend (✉) 13:32, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
The editor used two IPs to force their edits and both were blocked as a result. The reason is valid. (Thank you for your opinion; please only post on my talk page if it concerns article content.) -- /Alex/21 13:36, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Doctor Who wording.

Any reason for this? I think my rewording is more coherent and less idiosyncratic, doesn't seem obvious that in should be reverted. In particular, succeeded doesn't really work, and the new writers do not include Chibnall. Amedee123 (talk) 22:32, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

More prose that flows on from each other instead of colonized-lists, as well as "; and", which is gramatically incorrect. The series is definitely succeeded by a special, same as Series 11. -- /Alex/21 22:37, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
Or overwritten rather than simple, with incorrect usage of some words and a big error (which I'm about to correct) in implying that Chibnall is a new writer. ;and is perfectly gramatical, here's an example (from [5]) this style guide "I visited the Ashmolean Museum, Oxford; the Victoria and Albert Museum, London; and the Pencil Museum, Keswick." Succeed doesn't do anything that followed can't also do and tends to imply replacing rather than just following. It's all a bit pretentious and wordy. And in typing all of this I've realised I don't care enough to argue with you WP:OWN problem*. I'll take this off my watchlist and leave you to it, but as it stands it's bad writing. Scrap all of that, in fact, your latest version is much better. Still don't like succeeded, but I'm leaving you to it.
*I withdraw this, but I'm leaving it as an impression of how you were coming across, briefly, in case that's helpful with other editors. My withdrawing from editing on these isn't anything personal, I just don't think it works for me to get involved in this sort of to-and-fro, I should be doing other things. Feel free to disregard all of this except in as much as you find it useful in future. All the best. Amedee123 (talk) 22:56, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Tom Baker

Hi Alex,

I removed the marriage info as it was not for the opening section and clearly becauseas his second marriage which was to the actress Lalla Ward was listed before his first (?).

This is not impartial nor neutral for an article.

I see that you have now added this back but this is biased because if you are adding his first and his second marriages then can I ask why you have not added his third marriage?

Regards

Juanpumpchump (talk) 07:39, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Steven Universe "specials"

I thought this had been resolved but apparently not. I've posted on the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard to try to get a third opinion on whether Steven Universe Future belongs under the heading "specials" or not. I apologize for not alerting you sooner; I didn't realize the notification was supposed to go on your talk page rather than the talk page of the article. AJD (talk) 08:34, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Ajd, ah, thank you. I see now that you posted a listing at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard/Archive 182#List of Steven Universe episodes; I'd apologize for not responding, but I never knew it existed, as I never knew if you'd gone ahead with it. I'll post my dispute summary as soon as I can. Cheers. -- /Alex/21 08:59, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Chilling Adventures of Sabrina Episode Titles

Has there been any other episode titles added recently? Thank you for the current listings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8b0:64a1:0:ed6d:2eba:6ed1:6560 (talk • contribs)

Unfortunately not; the source still only lists 26 episodes; Season 1's 20, plus this upcoming's season six miscellaneous episodes. -- /Alex/21 18:50, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the reply 2001:8B0:64A1:0:ED6D:2EBA:6ED1:6560 (talk)

Laurel

Earth-1 Laurel has been dead for some time. Earth-2 Laurel now lives on Earth-1 but is not the Earth-1 Laurel. The fact that her entire world of Earth-2 was destroyed has been a major plot point for her. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 22:34, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Doczilla, thank you for summarizing the episodes I've already watched. Now, did you do what I told you to do? My money is on that you didn't. See the Twitter source next to Katie's name. I'll even link it for you! Now, tell me what it says, word for word. -- /Alex/21 06:53, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
"told you to do" "Now, tell me what it says, word for word." No, thank you. Strangely stubborn + bossy don't inspire me to keep wasting time on things that will be resolved soon enough on air. Still, I do believe you're sincerely trying to get things right as you see them. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 07:05, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Doczilla, so when faced with the fact that you are very clearly wrong, you don't even apologize. I'll copy the tweet from Marc Guggenheim (do you know who he is?) for you: Earth-1 Laurel in Crisis. Earth-2 Laurel in spin-off. Now, are you trying to put your own spin on that? You may just be violating WP:OR; be careful you don't do it too much, else you might just get reported! -- /Alex/21 07:13, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
By his own admission, Guggenheim has lied on Twitter about Crisis on Infinite Earths: https://twitter.com/mguggenheim/status/1174730410648981504 I am not saying that he did this time. I'm saying a social media remark that may or may not be correct is not a sufficient source to contradict story content as depicted thus far. Sigh. Now I've replied in spite of myself. I really am trying to come up with neutral wording for that page, and I really am letting this go. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 07:22, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Doczilla, ah, yes, one tweet that seemingly "disables" every other tweet he ever mentions in the future. What clever logic you use. Mindblown. If you're letting it go, you won't be posting here anymore, or changing it to Earth-2 without a source. Bye! -- /Alex/21 07:26, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Template:Arrowverse summary

Hey Alex, I was wondering if you'd be ok if the code at {{Arrowverse summary}} be converted to Lua? When I was going over the code it was a bit hard to follow in that awful coding system we have in the template-space, so I made a working version at Module:Sandbox/Gonnym/sometest7 which is almost the exact same. The small differences are:

  • I've changed the handling of the current episode from placing "-" in the episode position, to using |part=.
  • Adding built in handling of the horizontal line (and |no_hr= when it's not needed).
  • Added error handling for missing or incorrect number value (for |parts= and |part=) or mismatch between parts value and the number of series used.

What do you think? --Gonnym (talk) 11:57, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Gonnym, if you think it's best, then go for it! I haven't edited the template in two years, it clearly needs an update. -- /Alex/21 09:02, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Need advice

Hey. I need some advice on what to do. I'm currently under discussion over edit-warring, which I probably will hold my hand up to for 3RR. The problem is I can't argue my case or make a statement that I'm not gonna be deeply involved in the page - I had to ask an admin to strip my editing privileges on the EW discussion board for jumping into discussions when I shouldn't have. What should I do? I don't know if the nominator has much of a case, but another user jumped in saying I shouldn't have reverted other stuff on the article, even though I later went to discussions with those editors to talk about the reversions or question something they had legitimately raised, and I'm worried he's made things worse.... GUtt01 (talk) 08:37, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

The Sinner (TV series)

Really? Sure, unsubstituted is fine, but substituted (i.e. with span tags) is an improvement, for all the reasons listed in the template's documentation. What's the problem with improving an article? —Joeyconnick (talk) 05:31, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Cheers

Damon Runyon's short story "Dancing Dan's Christmas" is a fun read if you have the time. Right from the start it extols the virtues of the hot Tom and Jerry

This hot Tom and Jerry is an old-time drink that is once used by one and all in this country to celebrate Christmas with, and in fact it is once so popular that many people think Christmas is invented only to furnish an excuse for hot Tom and Jerry, although of course this is by no means true.

No matter what concoction is your favorite to imbibe during this festive season I would like to toast you with it and to thank you for all your work here at the 'pedia this past year. Best wishes for your 2020 as well A21. MarnetteD|Talk 19:36, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Runaways (TV series)

Thank you for fixing my idiot mistake. Please excuse my accidental rollback of your edit fixing the date. This is going to sound stupid, but I'm currently running Windows 7 on only 4 GB RAM and using VMWare on my MacBook Pro. There's issues I'm trying to troubleshoot and resolve with Huggle and dropped packets on my main computer, and that comes at the cost of performance and other weirdness with this setup (such as page loads and clicking on the correct links... lol). I appreciate your diligence and I thank you for fixing that issue. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 09:05, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Doctor Who Series 12

How is Digiguide an unreliable source, I least I referenced it so put it back will you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebiggestoink (talk • contribs)

See my notes. Wait for an official confirmation from either the BBC or a BBC-related source. -- /Alex/21 13:07, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Mr. Robot episode articles

does not mean episode article standards

This is plainly unhelpful. The article has a paragraph of sourced text and 13 dedicated references. That is more than sufficient for independent notability and stub guidelines. If you're using another standard, you need to link it in your edit. Until then, please revert your edit. czar 03:30, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

There is nothing in that article that cannot be included in the parent article. WP:42 is not a policy or guideline, thanks. I would also be very careful, if I were you, as to who you accuse of edit-warring, when two separate editors have moved the article to the draftspace, and when it is you forcing the content into the mainspace by creating it there and then moving it back time and time again (twice, for the 407 article). -- /Alex/21 05:18, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Czar, forgot to ping. -- /Alex/21 05:18, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
I'm looking at a bibliography of 13 dedicated sources that would be undue weight to include in the parent article. Textbook stub split opportunity. Yes, moving the article back to draftspace after it was expanded, citing no policy, starting no discussion, is indeed edit warring. These edits improve the encyclopedia how, exactly?
If the author objects to the move to draftspace, which I do, our policy says the mover should revert: Wikipedia:Drafts#Requirements for page movers. Please do so. If you think the article doesn't belong in mainspace, take it to AfD. czar 06:01, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
You've got a lot of sources. Nice. That doesn't make the article mainspace-worthy. There's still nothing wrong with including it in the parent article. And yes, indeed, moving the article back to mainspace multiple (three!) times against multiple editors, starting no discussion, is indeed edit warring. Also, "our policy"? What policy? You didn't link one at all; what you link is not a policy. Expand the article properly, and we won't have this issue! All the best. -- /Alex/21 06:05, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
No, it would be inappropriate to include those 13 sources in the parent article.
Where are you getting three "moves"? Apart from reverting your original 407 Proxy Authentication Required (Mr. Robot) move, the only moves I've made were after significant text was added.
Draftification is not meant to be used to hold articles in limbo. I already linked to the standard procedure:

To unilaterally move an article to draft space, you should:

Other editors (including the author of the page) have a right to object to moving the page, and to have the matter discussed at WP:AfD. If an editor raises an objection, move the page back to mainspace and list at AfD.
— Wikipedia:Drafts#Requirements for page movers (emphasis added)

It can't be any clearer. As for your view of "proper" article expansion, argue it at AfD but it doesn't hold water. A basic description and a bunch of obviously related sources are sufficient for a stub. Are you going to revert your unilateral draftification per the above procedure or do I need to go elsewhere? czar 06:19, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Not at all. Also, the draft article has two references; further reading is separate. It also doesn't have a plot section; gosh golly!
Create, move back, move back. Three times creating/moving an article to the mainspace.
You linked to a standard procedure. Not our policy. If you want to take it to AFD, then by all means, go for it. Until then, it incubates in the draft space. Expand the article properly, and we won't have this issue! All the best. -- /Alex/21 07:23, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Season's Greetings!

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2020!

Hello Alex 21, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2020.
Happy editing,
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