User:Merbabu/Archive7

March 2007

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Didnt think you could to that to archives - scary! The whole javanese beliefs is dubious-looks like a kebatinan pinch/lift - dosnt really fit - and lack of what i'd call convincing refs either :) Satu Suro 11:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm becoming quite good at archiving. lol. Yeah, that kebatinan page was scary. I had a few things to add to it, but got scared off. It's too much of a mess for my liking. Maybe Indon can re-write it. Merbabu 11:26, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I might give it a try but too many obscure red link items for my liking as welll :) Satu Suro 13:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Ping! my alarm was raised by the calling of my username. :-) Take a look at the newly expanded Nagarakretagama, and how lovely to read one paper describes that long and long time ago, Javanese people had combined two major religions into one god, one dharma. — Indon (reply) — 13:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I've been watching - it's looking very good. I'd love to read and english translation of it. It comes up everywhere when studying Java.

You and I have very different editing styles. You tend to focus on one article all the way from stub to FA. Whereas I, am scattered all over the place. lol. Although, when I did try to be like you, I made Indonesian architecture and virtually re-wrote Indonesian National Revolution, the two things I am most proud of on wikipedia (although, half of U2 is a result of my re-writing efforts]]. Merbabu 13:08, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I'm changing my style now. I download one interesting paper to read, and as long as I'm reading, I'm adding new facts from the article into Wikipedia articles. Yes, I am a citer. :-) Borobudur is still in the waiting phase, because I'm working with a map off-wiki. A detail map of Kedu Plain (ssstt..) — Indon (reply) — 13:11, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Go-one you gotta show us - I have seen the real dutch maps of the kedu plain - it would be good to see! Satu Suro 13:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I saw your earlier comments about creating cross-sections for Borobudur and wanted to scan the cross sections in my Borobudur book for you. Then I wanted to scan all of it! But my scanner is too small and I hate scanning - it's really big book with double page photos and diagrams. I did though scan some maps for the Indonesian REvolution. Maybe i can send them to you for incorporation in the article.Merbabu 13:17, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I did make (and put it in the article) the (half) cross-sections of Borobudur. I think for the architecture section, they are enough. However, if you (or SatuSuro also) have some maps of Kedu Plain and the location of Borobudur, then please send me. — Indon (reply) — 13:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

The Prayer in Stone book is simply stunning. It's a shame it seems to be 100% unavailable (i've done web searches). is Soekmono still alive? Maybe his publisher is contactable. I can't remember when and where i got it - but i just remember being hesistant as it was my last day on a trip to Indonesia, I had run out of money but had too much baggage. Glad I got it though, cos I haven't been able to find it again on subsequent trips. Highly recommended to anyone with an interest. The photos still 'knock me out'. Merbabu 13:37, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Mahu informasi? - disini - wafat tahun sesudah saya tinggal disana terlalu tokoh wafat zaman itu - http://jibis.pnri.go.id/informasi-rujukan/direktori-tokoh/thn/2007/bln/02/tgl/01/id/806 Satu Suro 13:43, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Mungkin mahu atau share with indon this rather short list -http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?SC=Subject&SA=Borobudur%20%28Temple%20%3A%20Magelang%2C%20Indonesia%29&PID=11794&BROWSE=1&HC=44&SID=3 Satu Suro 13:59, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Islamic architecture - thoughts...

You are right - dominated by photos. On the other hand, architecture is a very visual subject so it is only natural. I suggest maybe shrinking some of the photos, and even creating a gallery at the end of the page for excess photos that are too good to remove. I used such a gallery on Indonesian architecture. (by the way, i hope to soon develop that article's section on historic mosques in Indonesia).Merbabu 13:17, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Merbabu. I was thinking about adding a gallery at the bottom of the article. The example of Indonesian architecture is a good one. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up ®} 13:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Campaignbox al-Qaeda attacks

Template:Campaignbox al-Qaeda attacks has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. --— Indon (reply) — 15:19, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I think we should not modify the template, then we can point out how POV the template can be and how POV the editor is. I'm glad he added Phillipines as he gave more POV issues. — Indon (reply) — 08:33, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Maluku and Maluku...

Oops, yes sorry - silly mistake - it was due to the fact that the link on the cartography page linked directly to Maluku, not the province, which in turn was also my mistake. Now fixed on the cartography page also.--Bwmodular 15:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

consular

give me four days and I can fix it - dont go for delete -Satu Suro 06:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually seeing the serial editor is there i might take that back... not so sure - comments offline later Satu Suro 07:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Watch the talk page - its like an italian opera! humour and farce with each post! Satu Suro 12:49, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Francisco Serrão

Do you want to nominate it for WP:DYK? — Indon (reply) — 15:59, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually I don't really have Serrano's sources, only a couple of papers related to him. So I just put what it is said in the papers. Maybe you can add better facts about him. — Indon (reply) — 11:36, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm.. I don't know about that, if he even arrived to Banda. The only source said, that I read, is only he became acquainted with the Sultan of Ternate, and that is it. Anyway, if you feel that the article is already good enough to be lifted from stub, then you can nominate it for DYK. I found his Javanese wife, or became friends of Sultan, or being a cousin of Magellan, are the quirky thing to be put in the main page. — Indon (reply) — 11:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Hehehe, right. Only then my source is actually not about him, but somebody/something else. — Indon (reply) — 11:51, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Please see talk page, Australia-Indonesia relations

DavidYork71 16:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

i see you have been encountering the same problems with this user in terms of unencyclopedic material. ITAQALLAH 13:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

You might want to look at Hesperians talk page Satu Suro 14:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Sudah ;) Merbabu 14:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for the message ... Please read this ;-) Meursault2004 17:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

A,B,C

Spell it out. What is the unverifiable conclusion that you want to stalk my talk page and my conversations with another user to complain about? DavidYork71 14:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

U2 - Maintenance template and FA?

Hi there Merbabu. Just wanted to let you know that I added a maintenance template on the U2 talk page with my name. Feel free to add yours as well, as you are the only other consistent editor of this page. Also, I'm not going to nominate the article for FA status right now, but I would like to get your input as to what else needs to be fixed before we should try (or go for another peer-review). Thanks! Wikipedia brown 00:37, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Cool, whenever you get a chance. I think we're fairly close now. The style/theme section needs a bit of work of course, but other than that, I think the article's in very good shape. (thanks to your changes since the nominations in January as well as the new picture!) Wikipedia brown 01:52, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

earthquake

In case you hadnt heard http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200703/s1864684.htm Satu Suro 09:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Isnt that something to do with the perennial question 'did the earth move for you?' Satu Suro 11:20, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

there were a lot more jokes/aphorisms about all this sort of stuff when water beds were the fashion about thirty years ago :) Satu Suro 11:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

One couple I knew in Tasmania (long since divorced) when they needed to empty the waterbed - had to put the hose out into the street their garden couldnt cope with the volume of water - just imagine one put into newtown or darlinghurst in that eraSatu Suro 11:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Today, one would probably need to get Water Board approval to fill one.Merbabu 11:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Picture of the Week

A picture that you uploaded entitled RIAU WEB.jpg has been selected as Picture of the Week on the Portal Indonesia for the Week 2, 2007. Thank you for your contribution to promote images of Indonesia.

— Indon (reply) — 12:04, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

thank you

you perhaps have a resilience that i do not have. a lot of his insertions are original research, or extremely biased. he saves his version of the article and then incrementally reforms it to fit his, stretching out the edit history, when it's actually one big revert + inclusion of more original research, and/or a splaying of current material into nonsensical sects. the lead is a prime example. he moved the consensus version down and placed it under a new, barely intelligible sect heading, and restored his own unencyclopedic synthesis as the lead. this kind of editing is not acceptable. if he wants to introduce wholesale rewrites, they should be discussed first on the talk page. ITAQALLAH 23:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Merbabu. I'll check the past history more closely. Cheers, --Aminz 02:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

adisucipto

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200703/s1865217.htm the wreck is near where my youngest son (in the child seat on the bike) and i used to go down and watch the planes - the runway is too short for the planes....Satu Suro 02:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

The article is crap - and the only sources about agustino adisucipto (1916-1947) a good catholic airman who got shot down where i used to be on my bike a lot - are in bi only... could you keep the art on watch too? I think I might be able to do some editing on it - Satu Suro 03:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Check out our heros latest article :( Satu Suro 07:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Betcha he hasnt even found Islamophobia yet - his obvious condtion! Satu Suro 08:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Linking to Muhammad's slaves

Hi, i think the argument for the inclusion of this link is self evident. Muhammad is an exemplar for the islamic faith, his buying, selling and capturing of slaves indicates the complete acceptance of slavery as an act a good muslim can do. What is the Sunnah if it is not the example of Muhammed recorded for all time. Hypnosadist 03:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I respect your attempts at peace-keeping, while i have strong views on this subject long revert wars do not solve anything so i've tried to sit this out. Hypnosadist 03:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Contentious area

Wow, you're now inside the contentious area and dealing with heavy POV pushers there. I myself was there, but it turned out that my energy would be exhausted because those hPOVs cannot deal with anything but to push that Islam is a bad religion, not to mention that I'm a moslem also. I salute to other moslem editors to have that kind of energy. Oh well, I'm just ranting on your talk page, please ignore this. :-) — Indon (reply) — 08:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I am not a Muslim (given my efforts on the article, maybe that should be known) and I'm not even overly religious, i just hate persistent POV pushers. They should all get blogs rather than take advantage of wikipedia. I also suspect that like any contentious religious article there is at least a little POV on both sides. But yes, currently one is more blatant than the other. --Merbabu 11:20, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I know you're not a Muslim, but that's why I salute you to do that. :-) — Indon (reply) — 11:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 7 March, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Francisco Serrão, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--ALoan (Talk) 15:12, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Hehehe, my gift to you. — Indon (reply) — 07:55, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

dy71

Yes he has been very disruptive, i've been off editting other articles mostly, i've only been reading the talk mostly so i don't know about the misrepresented sources. Thats bad and damaging to wikipedia, if you think he continues you should see and admin about a warning or block. Hypnosadist 06:21, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, and after that please go back to INA project, we missed one good editor there. :-) — Indon (reply) — 08:58, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey

Hey hows it going? Check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Indonesia/Member activities and tell me what you think, honestly. Imo eng 00:16, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

On sister cities and Jackp

Good idea on the sister cities, I was just blatantly reverting as I'd seen done many times without thinking of the underlying problem. I'll also try and dig out some more compelling sock similarities if I get some time later. Have a good week! --Steve _(Slf67)^talk 22:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Bahasa edit

Unencylopediac Satu Suro 22:10, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I have done some clean-up, though I don't know at all about linguistics. — Indon (reply) — 10:30, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

New Article by me

Hey, just thought you might like to check out my Presiden RI article. Feel free to edit. Jakman 11:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back

just to say hi. :-) — Indon (reply) — 13:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Find of the week - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javana - a destination spa - it has the feel of the suharto era destinations creations of bored silly tourism bureaucrats sitting in offices wondering what to do next... sigh Satu Suro 15:09, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

gmail in a few minutes, nothing urgent Satu Suro 13:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Gmail response with suggested assistance recommended Satu Suro 01:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Your edits to One (U2 song)

Whoa, please don't call my edit "stupid." Let's discuss this on the talk page. --AW 19:58, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Rude note

I demand your attention! Ha ha, just kidding, but you did give me permission a few days ago. It would be great if you could look over the page and provide suggestions on how to improve it (because I honestly have nothing better to do than figure out ways to improve this page). Wikipedia brown 22:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Levy

Simply stated, can you find any errors in the paragraph Islam and children#Child Slavery?DavidYork71 11:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

He's maintaining that the legal status and position of child slaves is somehow different from slaves in general. So either Levy says that or he must have a source that does.DavidYork71 11:26, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

And I'm saying that the only class of child slaves treated differentially are the children of a female slave with her master, and then only in some regards.DavidYork71 11:27, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Western New Guinea

I hear ya! I agree that a lot of his edits were probably good, but I've studied the area for a long time and some of them I'd never heard -- so at the very least they need to be referenced (he has now done so for many of them and checking them now). And I won't touch the Indonesia article. Good luck! Cheers, Arjuna 20:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Islam and slavery lead

Dear interested editor:
Please visit here: [1] in the next few days and give your vote and your proposals on how the lead may be reworked and reformed to meet GA criteria before next nomination.DavidYork71 04:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

East Timor

About the Guerillas training in Portugal with the Portugese military I read it in the book The Amazing SAS. Goldfishsoldier 04:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Indonesian National Revolution

Move done as requested, you'll need to check/fix any redirects Gnan garra 06:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Your attention please

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Orangutans in popular culture - they are all saying merge back to the article! what a clueless bunch! :( Satu Suro 09:44, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the award

Thanks for the award and yeah, it's definitely a flattering thing to see your contribution on the net even though it's not under your real name. I haven't been around much because Uni's started now and I'm just enjoying that. My assignment's started to pile up now but I'll try to get some work done on my last article (which I'm pretty sure is Jusuf Kalla) when I get the spare time. Once again, a big thank you for the awardJakman 08:47, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I know you're going to be more envious :-)

Albert Aalbers — Indon (reply) — 17:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

The Edge

Thanks for changing the guitar section back to what I had. That really ticked me off, how that guy deleted a bunch, and added things he wasnt even sure of, and using bad grammar and things like that. So thanks again :)

Portal's Article

I updated the Selected Article for the portal. Based on the list, I assume it is Muhammadiyah's turn, isn't it? Please revert if it is not the correct one. — Indon (reply) — 08:38, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Deathly silence

For a while - at all levels - a trencher cut our phone line at home - sorry I cannot join in anything for a while possibly. There are no clues as to how long... no gmail no nothing. cheers!Satu Suro 08:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Indic v/s Dharmic

The correct classification of Religions is Abrahamic, Dharmic and Tao as given in Dharmic. So I changed Indic to Dharmic. Also I quite honestly disagree with the word Indic as it gives it a geographic meaning. It is like Islam was called Arabic or Christianity Israeli.

Muhammad's attitude toward animals

Unfortunately, the MediaWiki software doesn't currently have the capacity to execute history merges. So the only way to conform to the GFDL requirement that authorship be acknowledged is to give an informative edit summary acknowledging where the information came from. All I can do now is post a dummy edit :-( Hesperian 13:23, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Im hoping it will get put out of its misery soon Satu Suro 14:03, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

ha ha. Can't be soon enough. 'poor wretched thing'. Sorry, on both those IPs I opened it and there was only your vandal message but it appeared to have been reverted. I reverted both, only to find I had reverted blocking messages from 10 minutes before. Very strange indeed. Merbabu 14:12, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

its clearly one tricky little...thanks for trying im off Satu Suro 14:15, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Ramstein airshow disaster

I commented your edit on the Ramstein airshow disaster talk page. --rxnd ( t | € | c ) 07:47, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

for putting that strange message. I got many love letters lately after kicking out spammers and vandals, but it's fun. :-) — Indon (reply) — 13:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean the Australians Against Further Immigration version? Yeah, but you haven't looked at this: [2]. Take a closer look of what the "sheep" word was edited into. — Indon (reply) — 13:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Yah, salah maksud. I just got the email after the message from WP. Now you got it back. :-) — Indon (reply) — 13:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Jakarta flood picture

I think I like the previous one. I just have a thought. How about submitting the picture into WP:FPC? It's really a good picture, free and can't be repeated again. — Indon (reply) — 14:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Albert Aalbers

It's always nice to see jump in to copyedit my English. Thanks. :-) — Indon (reply) — 09:43, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, there wasn't much to do. Merbabu 09:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Contradictory

Thought I'd be well away from things, have just done an hour of tagging for diff projects - expect a lot of that over the next x number of weeks! Satu Suro 04:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:Bono

Oh man, thats just classic. Ya, it's good you removed it. What are your thoughts on requesting protection again? It's tricky because although we're reverting these edits, only like 50% of them seem to be pure vandalism. The other 50% don't seem to be following Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. I guess that's still a reason to request protection? Chupper

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