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Normandy

"Fought in Poland and with outstanding dash in France, where it was mainly responsible for the successful advance to Le Harve."

• German order of battle, 1944 : the regiments, formations and units of the German ground forces London : Arms & Armour Press; New York : Hippocrene Books, (1975).

• D'Este, Carlo Decision in Normandy London : Penguin, 2004.

• Operation Bluecoat
• Operation Goodwood
  • The battle of Normandy had reached an apparent stalemate. Though the Allies had successfully invaded the continent of Europe and were well established ashore, the Germans had been able to form a defensive perimeter about them that was exceedingly difficult to penetrate. Operation Goodwood was Montgomery's attempt to break the stalemate and drive past Caen, to engage in an armoured battle in the plains before Paris. To achieve the breakout, SHAEF provided the services of the 8th Airforce and Bomber Command to pulverize a section of the German defensive positions. He also was given the use of a massive amount of artillery, which provided an advancing barrage once the bombs had stopped. Montgomery then planned to drive three armoured divisions through the gap. Montgomery's attempt to breakout was unsuccessful. Montgomery declared he was satisfied with the result. Eisenhower declared he was not.
• Air Marshall Tedder, Deputy Supreme Commander at SHAEF, was very upset over the failure to make a break out, and wanted Montgomery to be dismissed for the failure. Probert p. 38
• Probert, Henry (1991). High Commanders of the Royal Air Force. HMSO. ISBN 0-11-772635-4.
• The pre-attack air bombardment by 1,676 heavy bpmbers and 343 medium bombers dropping 7,700 tons of explosives upon the defenders was the heaviest air assault ever attempted. Forest Pogue, official historian of SHAEF Pogue Supreme Command p. 188
• The Goodwood effort was an attempt to break out. von Luck p. 193
• The heavy tank battalion of Tiger Is was completely out of action for several hours, but by afternoon a number of the tanks had become serviceable again. von Luck p. 199

• Ambrose, Stephen, Citizen Soldier. New York, New York: Touchstone, 1997

Note: recommend not using Ambrose as a source due to controversy, but one could use Ambrose's sources as sources.

• Operation Martlet
• Battle of the Odon

• First Battle of the Odon (Operation Epsom)
• Second Battle of the Odon

• Operation Cobra

Tendenitious editing in Battle of Kursk page

A number of editors have been having difficulty on the Battle of Kursk page with editor EyeTruth. The chief problem has been reverting edits despite consensus of opinion from other editors being opposed to his edit change. The reverts can be seen here, here and then here on 25 June. And again here and here.

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