User:GermanJoe/Otto I workshop

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Article structure Otto I[edit]

1 Early life and family - OK

1.1 Background - OK

2 Heir apparent - OK (1 ref for start?)
3 Reign as king

3.1 Coronation - OK

3.2 Rebellion of the dukes - OK

3.3 War with France - 3 ref, tweak header?, check content

3.4 Consolidation of power - 3 ref, trim, check content

3.5 Foreign relations

3.5.1 France - 1 ref, check content

3.5.2 Burgundy - OK

3.5.3 Bohemia - OK

3.5.4 Byzantine Empire - OK

3.6 Slavic Wars - OK

4 Expansion into Italy

4.1 Disputed Italian Throne - 1 ref, check content, last para needs rewrite, various theories -> trim

4.2 First Italian Expedition - 1 ref, check content

4.3 Aftermath - OK

5 Otto and the German Church - 3 ref, trim, check content
6 Liudolf's Civil War

6.1 Rebellion against Otto - 4 ref, trim, check content

6.2 End of the Rebellion - 1 ref (for Arnstadt measures), trim?, check content

7 Hungarian Invasions - 2 ref, check content
8 Reign as emperor - OK

8.1 Second Italian Expedition and imperial coronation - OK

8.2 Papal politics - OK

8.3 Third Italian Expedition - OK

8.4 Reign from Rome - OK

9 Final years and death - OK
10 Family and children - OK
11 Legacy

11.1 Ottonian Renaissance - 1 ref, check content

11.2 Modern World - OK (maybe expand for German history)

12 Ancestry - OK
13 Notes - OK
14 Citations
15 References

15.1 Primary sources

16 Further reading

16.1 In German

Missing refs: 21

To-do Otto I[edit]

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T52474

VE bug with reference numbering (fix unknown)
finish paragraph sourcing (atleast 1 final cite each)
source all dates
source family relations (+ "ancestry") Done
fix ancestry (Ringelheim, check dubious nodes) Done
rewrite "Ottonian Rennaisance"
rewrite and trim "Northern Slavic Wars", Harold would have been c.12 years old in 947? 3 different versions for Bluetooth's conversion (remove all? - Done)
add authorlinks Done
~~source titles~~ (Removed)
replace all 3 Britannica refs (source does not match text) Done
find a better header to replace "War with France"
(optional) check "older" sources (pre WWII) for accuracy and neutrality (look replaceable - Thompson, Gwatkin and Zimmermann)
(optional) create harv anchors for primary sources.

Remaining open points Peer Review[edit]

(copied from Dudley Miles' comments at Peer Review for further improvements) GJ

"The nobility found it difficult to adapt to Otto, as the kingdom had never before followed individual succession to the throne." "the kingdom had never before been inherited by a single individual" might be clearer.

Noted. Will improve/rewrite this part. GJ

"Otto refused to accept uncrowned rulers as his equal." This seems superfluous in view of your previous remarks.

Noted. Will improve/rewrite this part. This section, like the later "German Church" section, still contains a few bits of essay-ish analysis from the de-Wiki translation, which shouldn't be that detailed in an encyclopedic article (imo). GJ

"Beginning in the 950s, Otto changed his internal policy and began to use the Catholic Church as a tool of his dominance." What was his policy before?

Noted. See above, the whole "German Church" section needs more work and references, it's on "to-do". GJ

General point: There is a good deal unreferenced in the article. This needs to be fixed.

Agree. I already added 80 references to the initial version, but some areas still need a few more, see my compiled checklist at User:GermanJoe/Otto I workshop for pending additional improvements. Although my main concerns are prose and content - referencing is "just" tedious routine work :). GermanJoe (talk) 20:39, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

"had initial success in driving the Slavs back across the Elbe River, but it remained difficult to hold his position." Not sure about this. You say remained difficult, but you have not said there was a problem in the first place. He managed to repel an invasion across the Elbe but the Slavs threatened to invade again? Dudley Miles (talk) 18:24, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Resolved remaining points Peer Review[edit]

Rudolf of Upper Burgundy forced to flee Italy? Why was a ruler of Burgundy in Italy in the first place. This needs clarifying.

Done. Trimmed confusing campaign detail, the section is only intended as general background info anyway. GJ

"The Byzantines opened peace talks with Otto, despite his expansive course." "expansive course" sounds odd and I am not sure what it means.

Done. Rephrased a bit to clarify. GJ