Template talk:Use British English

Formatting issues with FA star

I don't know what the history of this template is, but it doesn't appear that enough testing was done on its formatting within articles for which GA/FA stars or spoken version icons are displayed, since the flag overlaps all of them. Until this is fixed, I think the template should be discarded from all articles for which this is a problem. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 01:05, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Apparently, nobody has bothered to test this with the other title templates. The FA stars and the GA symbol are set at 10px away from the right edge, the spoken article icon is 30px away, and the padlock icons indicating protected pages are 55px away. Any other flag icon is going to need to be placed to the left of the padlock icon. I have copied the code from the relevant templates here, so you should see all the relevant icons on this page's title.

Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:36, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

This apparently will cause extra spacing on the right if this icon is the only one needed on a particular article (of course, the same issue occurs if only the padlock icon is shown). There is no other code or script that I am aware of that detects all the icons being used, and then adjusts their placement accordingly. Therefore, its either 80px or more away, or no flag icon at all. Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:46, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

BTW, the addition of the flag was made less than a few hours ago.[1] I'd still prefer to leave it out because of these issues. Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:51, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out that the flag was a recent addition—I thought I was nuts not being able to remember seeing it before. I propose that the flag be removed, partly due to the issue above, but mainly because while I appreciate the visual cue to alert readers that they should expect horrors such as "colour" and "practise" (and should not rush to edit to "fix spelling error"), the flag is intrusive. The deletion nomination was apparently induced by the flag, so I am not alone in my view. Johnuniq (talk) 08:30, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, can someone who knows how please remove the flag. Jenks24 (talk) 08:43, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

I went bold and removed the topicon. --Muhandes (talk) 09:02, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Supporting removal of the flag. I'd also note that there are articles in which use of such a flag could be taken as POV (implying support for a British position), as it is not clear that it refers to spelling only. I'd note that there is also a flag at Template:Use Irish English, which I am now removing. Pfainuk talk 09:33, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

The other changes seem to be useful: it should add the template mentioned in the documentation, and categorisation by date is probably not useful. Peter E. James (talk) 11:27, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

No flags should be used ideally in my opinion. Mabuska ^(talk) 13:59, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree. The flags should be removed. Using the Union Flag is inaccurate ("British English" spelling is used outside the UK too) and may be provocativ. The same goes for the Irish tricolor. ~Asarlaí 21:23, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

• As creator, I confess to having toyed with the idea of adding a flag, but was persuaded against it. It seems indeed that the flag is indeed causing a problem and agree with its removal. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 15:44, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

We don't need to bring nationalism into a purely maintenance matter. Also we don't need the "all... " category. Rich Farmbrough, 19:53, 7 May 2011 (UTC).

Why don't we need the all category? The all category is far more useful than the monthly categories. What difference does it make what month the article was tagged in? Wouldn't it be easier to put all the pages in one category? Also, the category was speedily deleted under the criteria for templates that have been deleted or retargeted. I don't think that was correct or appropriate, especially when the creator of the category (me, I think) wasn't even notified. McLerristarr | Mclay1 06:43, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

The Engvar script, which spurred my setting up this template, contains a list of spellings common to English, Scottish, Irish, Australian, South African. I do not intend to build anything any more complex than a common set of spellings that use the {{use British English}} template. Therefore, I do not believe we will ever need to use templates other than 'British', 'Canadian' and Oxford'. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 13:37, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Template placement advice

It would be useful to have some information on whether to place the template in an article or its talkpage. I had to look in the Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style archives to find out. Particularly since {{British English}} had to be placed on a talk page. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)^talk 23:24, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

This has been discussed in the past, and there is no consensus if the template should be placed on the top of the article or above the categories. The same question applies to templates like {{Use dmy dates}}, by the way, so any consensus building process will have to be centralized. Debresser (talk) 05:52, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Ah, thank you for the clarification. Is there at least consensus on mainspace vs talkspace? T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)^talk 06:19, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

The template is used on the article itself. Debresser (talk) 11:20, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Can you update the date?

FYI

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Template messages#Can you update the date? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 12:13, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Edit request

To whom it may concern, I want to have a merge template discussion for this template and the British English editnotice, so I would like to have a Merge template temporarily added to both this page and British English editnotice's Mains. Thank you. —MonkeyStolen234 (talk) 10:38, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Per instructions at WP:TFD, you should just create the TfD first, then request the tag be added. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 11:56, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply, @ProcrastinatingReader:. I have adjusted this as you asked. —MonkeyStolen234 (talk) 13:48, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:34, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Edit request to complete TfD nomination

Template:Use British English has been listed at Templates for discussion (nomination), but was protected so could not be tagged. Please add:

{{subst:tfm|help=off|1=Use English English}}

to the top of the page to complete the nomination. Thank you. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:07, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 22:18, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Extra newline

This edit introduced a newline, visible on (only some) pages using the template (e.g. Palantír), but I can't edit to get rid of it... comp.arch (talk) 23:47, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Comp.arch,  fixed -- /Alex/₂₁ 07:35, 16 March 2021 (UTC)