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Requested edit 30 January 2022[edit]

Add a comma after the closing brackets in WP:AC/CT}}}}}}}}}}} which is a contentious topic, per correct grammar. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 19:12, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Completed. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'r there 10:41, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

When an article deals with multiple contentious topics[edit]

Does this template have the functionality to display a single article-talk-page notice "this page is related to [X], [Y], and [Z], which have been designated as contentious topics"? For example, JK Rowling's talk page currently has two big boxes back to back, one for Gender and one for BLP (technically they are Template:Ds/talk notice boxes, but the result is equivalent), and an American politician with similar views could add a third box for AmPol, but I think one box would be less clutter and hence more likely to actually be read... -sche (talk) 02:37, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly this is a feature I think we really should have in all of the CTOP alert and notice templates. On article talk pages, especially for those articles that fall into multiple simultaneous contentious topic areas, having 2, 3, or 4 of the notices easily contributes towards banner fatigue. And when issuing alerts on user talk pages, it would be much simpler to be able to just do something like {{subst:alert/first|gg|ap|blp}}, instead of having to issue one alert/first and multiple other alerts in the same edit. Sideswipe9th (talk) 02:43, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Coming here from Talk:Robert F. Kennedy Jr. which has three of those. This is definitely a feature to implement asap. –Vipz (talk) 01:10, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Sdkb! SilkTork told me you're the best person to approach regarding this, since you're taking a lead in reducing talk page banner blindness. –Vipz (talk) 17:07, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the code of this template, there's three that might be troublesome to integrate into a single banner; Template:Contentious topics/gmo talk notice, Template:Contentious topics/Arab-Israeli talk notice, and Template:Contentious topics/The Troubles talk notice. Those all have added restrictions beyond being just CTOPs, and their exact text is drawn from those complete subtemplates. The others all use the same base text, substituting in content drawn from Template:Contentious topics/list based on the passed in topic code.
Unfortunately that's where my knowledge of Wiki templates starts to dry up. I know you can do multiple of the same input parameters, as Template:Contentious topics/aware allows you to provide a list of all topic codes you consider yourself aware of, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how that works right now. Sideswipe9th (talk) 17:22, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the ping, and for flagging that rather hideous example at RFK Jr.! I'll get to work in the sandbox and see what I can manage.
Broadly, I feel that there's an issue with a lot of hot topic-type banners overlapping with each other, as I described here. I'd be interested to see others propose some mergers and see what happens.
Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 02:04, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Sideswipe9th@-sche@Vipz, I coded up a version in the sandbox that allows you to use |topic2= etc. to designate multiple topics. See the testcases page for examples. The code isn't pretty, but then again, neither is the code I'm building off of, so it's not like I'm mucking up a pristine garden. It doesn't work if any of the three oh-god-no-why-on-earth-did-we-make-an-exception cases are used as the first parameter, but it should work alright if they're used as a subsequent parameter (just without the extra restrictions, which would have to be provided separately).
Contentious topics templates aren't my normal specialty, so it'd help to have someone more familiar look over the changes before I implement. @Dreamy Jazz and @ToBeFree, I see you both in the recent edit history; would either of you be interested in taking a glance? {{u|Sdkb}} talk 03:52, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ideally a warning should be displayed if "topic2" or "topic3" have any of:
  • gmo
  • a-i
  • tt
Because these need to display the restrictions that apply topic wide in the banner and the only way to do that currently is to have a separate banner for those three and then the rest can be combined in this way. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 09:56, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Having a separate banner for those is a really poor way to code it. Could we just introduce a piece of code that lists the restrictions in the normal banner? {{u|Sdkb}} talk 14:24, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So the template draws the scope for each topic code from {{Contentious topics/list}}, which is then added to the base text of the template. A naive solution is perhaps to make a similar template to {{Contentious topics/list}}, except that instead of containing the scope text it contains the list of additional restrictions that apply to special cases, perhaps in a bullet point format, that then gets added with the furthermore, the following rules apply... text if those topic codes are used?
This would have the benefit of making it easier for any future arbcom cases to add similar restrictions for any future cases, without having the need to create a bespoke template whenever a new special case arises. The only downside with this naive approach would be that if you have a page which is for example both a-i and gmo, the 1rr text would appear twice.
The ideal approach would be to store the text of each type of special case restriction in a template like {{Contentious topics/list}}, along with a separate list of which additional restrictions apply to each topic. Then when constructing the template you parse the list of additional restrictions for each topic, filter out duplicates, and add the necessary text to the output. That sort of data manipulation might only be possible in a Lua module though? Sideswipe9th (talk) 01:42, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
(thanks for the ping – currently no opinion) ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:40, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Awareness criteria" in the |style=brief talk notice[edit]

Since WP:CT2022#Awareness, the "awareness criteria" have been moved to a footnote, and there is no section WP:CTOP#Awareness (but rather WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics). (This is what it looked like before.) Because of that, the second sentence in {{contentious topics/talk notice|style=brief}} no longer makes sense. I suggest this replacement.

−
Please consult the [[Wikipedia:Contentious topics#Awareness|awareness criteria]] and edit carefully.
+
Please consult the [[Wikipedia:Contentious topics|procedures]] and edit carefully.

Current:

Suggested:

SilverLocust 🃏 💬 11:21, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to an edit request after waiting a month for any feedback. I don't think this two-word change is sufficiently substantial to consult ArbCom. SilverLocust 💬 21:21, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Done SWinxy (talk) 20:46, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirm notice[edit]

Currently the notice placed on top of talk pages in the Israel/Palestine area (and other articles subject to Arbcom restrictions I assume) point out that one is subject to the following restriction: You must be logged-in, have 500 edits and an account age of 30 days. This notice is insufficient. It should be briefly lengthened to indicate that this restriction relates to edits on the English Wikipedia only, no matter how many edits one may have in other projects. That would address confusion that arises from time to time.

If this is the wrong place to make this suggestion, I would appreciate being pointed in the right direction. Coretheapple (talk) 15:11, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think I've found a better place to discuss this. Disregard! Coretheapple (talk) 23:01, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For future observers, this was moved to Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee#Template:Contentious topics/Arab-Israeli talk notice. SWinxy (talk) 20:48, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 10 April 2024[edit]

Fix spelling of "prodedures" to "procedures". When template editors of the world's greatest encyclopedia can't spell as well as Nigerian princes it makes me very sad.

Diff: Sandboxing typically not required for spelling fixes in displayed textRadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 12:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done firefly ( t · c ) 12:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sri Lanka topic code[edit]

Now that ArbCom has designated Sri Lanka as a contentious topic, independently of IPA (as far as it seems), can a topic code and corresponding text be added? Daniel Case (talk) 18:39, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would hope that this happens when the motion officially passes which requires 1 more arb vote and then 24 hours before it can be implemented. Barkeep49 (talk) 18:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Making wording clearer for ECR for A-I[edit]

While editing Talk:Killing of journalists in the Israel–Hamas war, I noticed this template did not specify how the ECR restriction is applied (Cannot edit article without EC/Cannot edit article without EC + Non-EC editors can only make Edit requests on talk/something else). I think there should be slightly clearer wording on what restrictions apply to talk versus the article.

I can try to suggest specific wording, but someone else will probably have a better wording anyway. Soni (talk) 00:21, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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