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Current template is not ready to be used in live[edit]
Unless you plan to make the names meaningful, this template cannot go live and current uses will be reverted. As an example - "Ruderman2022" is meaningless. It might work in a specific article because it doesn't matter, but if you plan on making this template work across multiple articles, each name should be clearly identifiable without needing to actually read the cite. That will probably lead to long names, but that's the payoff you take for a template. Also, this is probably not something that should be in a template. This is more likely something that should be in a module (which supports better lists) or in Wikidata (if it has supports for citation objects). Gonnym (talk) 17:17, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym Ruderman2022 is the awards given by Ruderman in 2022, the ref name you restored in that article is "Ruderman" so less descriptive so don't see how any better? Thought Ruderman2022 would be unique enough. Guess would only be used in accolades sections / articles so similar to what you reverted. Could add award to each parameter name but it's with template name "Awards ref" so that would be redundant.
The point of the template is to avoid the same reference being used on many articles, take 2nd Hollywood Critics Association TV Awards from yesterday as an example, many properties are nominated for that single award so single parameter here, save hundreds of bytes on each article.
Why not a template? Template:Inflation/fn does same thing fine, that's on 5,700 pages. Open to module but don't know much and seem harder to edit, Wikidata doesn't seem possible for this purpose. Indagate (talk) 17:32, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe we should just compile a list of citations that people can copy as sources, like an expanded version of Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Awards sourcing. That would remove the need for a template with dozens, if not hundreds, of unique parameters. (It would also be a lot easier for people to quickly edit the markup for the citation if needed.) Or maybe we could provide a section on the talk page for the ceremony with a citation to copy to other articles? Either way, I don't think this should be implemented as a template. RunningTiger123 (talk) 23:00, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also, consider the fact that nominees and winners might require different sources, which would complicate the template further. RunningTiger123 (talk) 23:01, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A list or refs on awards page would help people find refs but template helps reduce page size, and people find refs on page that may need editing. Different sources for noms and winners will extend the list but most have one source it seems, and just added noms or wins to parameter name, similar to how already on articles. Indagate (talk) 06:34, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ruderman is a disambiguation page, so who exactly is this award giving "Ruderman"? For a template like what you created to be viable it must have very clear names. What is a clear name? "Hollywood Critics Association TV Awards" is a clear name. Is it long? Yes, but that is what you need for a template to work across articles and across media and countries (you did title this "Award ref" and not "US TV Marvel Award ref"). That is why I said that a template is not the best way to create such a list. In Lua for example you can have a list made like this:
::list={::["Hollywood Critics Association TV Awards"]={::2022={::nom="cite web ....",::win="citeweb...",::},::},::}::
So then the usage is: {{Awards ref|Hollywood Critics Association TV Awards|2022|win}}Gonnym (talk) 08:35, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Added Ruderman Family Foundation to that disambiguation page. That page is wikilinked in awards table before the ref so clear there, and should be written out in full in an article before cited. People wouldn't reasonably expect {{Awards ref|Ruderman2022}} to be about someone with that surname. Can add full award names to the doc instead of lengthening parameter names?
Titled Award ref as can be used on all Film TV articles, just used two Marvel TV first as familiar with them but can easily be used elsewhere. If someone doesn't know what the paramater name means then they could look at the preceding table row or sentence, and it should provide the necessary context.
That Lua looks okay, better than now, but harder to edit, and only difference to template is parameter for year and nom instead of just adding it to name which might be possible with template, names can be amended Indagate (talk) 09:29, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I went with your code:
::::| CriticsChoiceSuper2021Noms = {{#tag:ref| {{Cite web |last=Hammond |first=Pete |date=November 19, 2020 |title='Palm Springs', 'Lovecraft Country' Top Movie And Series Nominations For Inaugural Critics Choice Super Awards; Netflix Lands 35 Nods |url=https://deadline.com/2020/11/palm-springs-lovecraft-country-lead-critcs-choice-super-awards-nominations-1234618498/ |url-status= |archive-date= |archive-url= |access-date=July 9, 2022 |website=[[Deadline Hollywood]] |mode= {{{mode|}}}}} |name="CriticsChoiceSuper2021Noms" |group={{{group |}}}}}
::::| CriticsChoiceSuper2021Wins = {{#tag:ref| {{Cite web |last=Ramos |first=Dino-Ray |date=January 10, 2021 |title=Critics Choice Super Awards Full Winners List: 'Palm Springs', 'Soul', 'The Boys' Among Top Honorees |url=https://deadline.com/2021/01/critics-choice-super-awards-full-winners-list-the-cw-kevin-smith-dani-fernandez-1234670663/ |url-status=live |archive-date=July 3, 2022 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20220703175255/https://deadline.com/2020/11/palm-springs-lovecraft-country-lead-critcs-choice-super-awards-nominations-1234618498/ |access-date=June 24, 2022 |website=[[Deadline Hollywood]] |mode= {{{mode|}}}}} |name="CriticsChoiceSuper2021Wins" |group={{{group |}}}}}
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which has a nom and a win for the same award giver for the same year. That page is wikilinked in awards table before the ref so clear there the name of the award is not for the page it is already used on. The name is for other editors wanting to use the citation for different articles. They shouldn't need to guess what the argument value is nor should they need to check the code. It should be logical - "award giver name" should always by value. Gonnym (talk) 10:43, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
