Template:Did you know nominations/Sword Art Online
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 14:02, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
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Sword Art Online[edit]
- ... that Reki Kawahara originally planned to submit the draft for Sword Art Online to a competition in 2002, but refrained from doing so because he had exceeded the page limit? Source: ソードアート・オンライン〈1〉アインクラッド (電撃文庫) (in Japanese). ISBN 4048677608. (afterword)
- ALT1:... that the light novel series Sword Art Online was released after author Reki Kawahara requested its publication following his work Accel World winning the Grand Prize at the 2008 Dengeki Game Novel Prize? Source: same as ALT0
- ALT2:... that the anime series Sword Art Online has been praised for its deep insight on the psychological aspects of virtual reality on the human psyche? Source: [1]
- Reviewed: Hachijō-jima
- Comment: Requesting this goes up on April 7, the "official" premiere date of Sword Art Online Alternative Gun Gale Online (that series actually premieres past midnight of April 8 in Japan, but it would be nice for the hook to be up as the series premieres).
Improved to Good Article status by Juhachi (talk), Zero2001 (talk), Narutolovehinata5 (talk), C933103 (talk), Helmut von Moltke (talk), and KirtZJ (talk). Nominated by Narutolovehinata5 (talk) at 17:00, 24 March 2018 (UTC).
| General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Needs citations. - Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
- Interesting:
- Other problems: - Minor grammatical error; suggestion to highlight importance/success
| QPQ: Done. |
Overall: 
Promoted to GA on 03/24/18, same day as nom. Length is good. Multiple paragraphs are missing in-text citations to reliable sources. This includes direct quotes. I've made a few edits to the Reception section (including citing), but I think more content could be added here. I don't think it rises to the level of violating neutrality, however. After running Earwig's Copyvio Detector, I initially found a 90.6% confidence of plagiarism, but it was a case of the "source" plagiarizing from the article--not the other way around. The next highest was 33.8% confidence, which was due to a direct quote. AGF for offline, Japanese language source for ALT0. I think that the hook is definitely interesting, but that's because I know something about the series. Perhaps something could be added to highlight the success of the series in the hook for someone completely unfamiliar with it? That said, I'm mindful of the 200 character limit. Grammatically, I would suggest changing "for a competition" to "to a competition." No picture is used. Nominator's QPQ verified. ―Biochemistry🙴❤ 01:33, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
- @Biochemistry&Love: I'm not sure if your suggestion of changing "for a competition" to "to a competition" works in this case: although Kawahara originally wrote the original draft as a contest entry, he never actually submitted it. Nevertheless, I've changed the hook wording. As G S Palmer has noted in the article history, plot sections normally do not need references. G S Palmer and I have nonetheless added references to all the paragraphs with "Citation needed" templates. As for the suggestion highlighting the success of the series, I'm not sure if that could work for either ALT0 or ALT1 since both refer to the development of the series, and it might only apply to ALT2. Do you have any suggestions on how I can do that? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:15, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Thank you for the extra citations, as well as for the explanation per MOS:PLOT. As for suggestions for highlighting the success, tell me what you think of the following 206 character ALT0 version:
- ... that Reki Kawahara, author of the now widely successful Sword Art Online, originally planned to submit the draft to a competition in 2002, but refrained from doing so because he had exceeded the page limit?
- @Biochemistry&Love: I guess that could work if it could be shortened (right now it's 206 characters when the guideline recommends a maximum of 200). But in any case, I think I still prefer my original hook since I don't really think it's necessary to state that a popular property is popular in a hook (see Template:Did you know nominations/Steven Universe (2) for an example of this). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:05, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I feel like the hookiness of ALT0 relies upon the series being known as popular by the reader; otherwise, why is it interesting that someone almost submitted a series to a contest? The formula seems to take the form of, "look at how this now popular thing didn't meet the public on a technicality." For example, it would be interesting if Steven Hawking's thesis almost wasn't published because [insert technicality], but not if [insert non-notable person] experienced the same. In this case, the hookiness relies upon the reader's presumed significance of Steven Hawking. See below for a more concise version (200 characters):
- ALT3 ... that Reki Kawahara, author of the now widely successful Sword Art Online, originally planned to submit the draft to a competition in 2002, but refrained from doing so because he had exceeded the page limit?
- Perhaps someone else can weigh in here, preferably with less knowledge of the series than I. I may be trying too hard to see past my bias of knowing that the series is popular when trying to estimate the experience for the average reader.―Biochemistry🙴❤ 22:38, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I feel like the hookiness of ALT0 relies upon the series being known as popular by the reader; otherwise, why is it interesting that someone almost submitted a series to a contest? The formula seems to take the form of, "look at how this now popular thing didn't meet the public on a technicality." For example, it would be interesting if Steven Hawking's thesis almost wasn't published because [insert technicality], but not if [insert non-notable person] experienced the same. In this case, the hookiness relies upon the reader's presumed significance of Steven Hawking. See below for a more concise version (200 characters):
- @Narutolovehinata5: Thank you for the extra citations, as well as for the explanation per MOS:PLOT. As for suggestions for highlighting the success, tell me what you think of the following 206 character ALT0 version:
- @Biochemistry&Love: I'm not sure if your suggestion of changing "for a competition" to "to a competition" works in this case: although Kawahara originally wrote the original draft as a contest entry, he never actually submitted it. Nevertheless, I've changed the hook wording. As G S Palmer has noted in the article history, plot sections normally do not need references. G S Palmer and I have nonetheless added references to all the paragraphs with "Citation needed" templates. As for the suggestion highlighting the success of the series, I'm not sure if that could work for either ALT0 or ALT1 since both refer to the development of the series, and it might only apply to ALT2. Do you have any suggestions on how I can do that? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:15, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
Seems the review is requesting a second opinion regarding ALT0. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:13, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Well, I know nothing about this subject, but all the hooks seem to meet the DYK criteria. I suggest going with ALT0 or ALT3 as they seem to be the nominator's choice. Relying on Biochemistry&Love for other aspects of the review. Request is for this to appear on April 7th (in Japan). Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:31, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for your input, Cwmhiraeth. Based on your feedback, I approve ALT0, per Narutolovehinata5's preference. All other DYK criteria are met.―Biochemistry🙴❤ 01:37, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
